Selling a UK car

walshtipp

I currently have a UK car that I do not intend to keep. Can I sell in here on the yellow plates?

rob316

walshtipp wrote: »

I currently have a UK car that I do not intend to keep. Can I sell in here on the yellow plates?

You can but it'll be an easier sell with the vrt paid

Atlantic Dawn

How long is it in the state, have you got the v5?

User1998

Last time I tried to sell a UK car customs called me pretending to be interested in buying the car, then came to my door and told me to VRT it or they’d take the car. Its illegal to sell an unregistered vehicle

un5byh7sqpd2x0

rob316 wrote: »

You can but it'll be an easier sell with the vrt paid

Which would add another owner

walshtipp

Thanks for replying. It only came into the Republic last week. I suppose I could sell it to someone in the North?

Atlantic Dawn

walshtipp wrote: »

Thanks for replying. It only came into the Republic last week. I suppose I could sell it to someone in the North?

If it's a high demand car it might be better to VRT it yourself and then sell here, just bear in mind that you won't get the logbook/vlc until you tax the car for the first time so that's an additional outlay if you go down the VRT route but you could just tax for 3 months.

Infernal Racket

walshtipp wrote: »

Thanks for replying. It only came into the Republic last week. I suppose I could sell it to someone in the North?

You're asking for hardship selling a UK car here. It can be done but as a previous poster highlighted, customs keep a close eye on this kind of thing because it's an easy capture and easy money for them. It could prove costly for you of they were to impose fines. I did it a few times over the years but gave up when I got the knock on the door from revenue.

walshtipp

Yeah I might just VRT it and then sell it here... Its a BMW 3 Series with decent spec so I'd imagine it would be relatively easy to sell. Last thing I want is a fine from revenue.

Infernal Racket

walshtipp wrote: »

Yeah I might just VRT it and then sell it here... Its a BMW 3 Series with decent spec so I'd imagine it would be relatively easy to sell. Last thing I want is a fine from revenue.

What year is it?

walshtipp

Infernal Racket wrote: »

What year is it?

2017

NIMAN

walshtipp wrote: »

I currently have a UK car that I do not intend to keep. Can I sell in here on the yellow plates?

I always thought it was illegal to sell a uk car in Ireland?

Open to correction of course.

Infernal Racket

NIMAN wrote: »

I always thought it was illegal to sell a uk car in Ireland?

Open to correction of course.

No, it's not illegal but of you're not a registered trader with a tan number you're open to revenue issues

User1998

It is illegal. TAN holders can display UK stock but the cars are pre VRT’d and are sold on Irish plates

Infernal Racket

User1998 wrote: »

It is illegal. TAN holders can display UK stock but the cars are pre VRT’d and are sold on Irish plates

Are you 100% sure about that?? There are many traders who will sell on a UK car and the vrt is the responsibility of the buyer. I know of at least 5 traders in my area alone doing this for years.

User1998

https://www.revenue.ie/en/tax-professionals/tdm/value-added-tax/part03-taxable-transactions-goods-ica-services/Goods/goods-transactions-motor-vehicles.pdf

“An authorised motor dealer, who holds a new motor vehicle as stock-in-trade, is not required to register the vehicle in his or her own name. However, the dealer is obliged to ensure that the vehicle is registered before the customer takes delivery of it. In the course of a sale, the dealer therefore generally collects the VRT amount from the customer and registers the vehicle in the customer’s name. This can be done by using the Revenue On-line System (ROS), or at any NCTS Centre . Once a vehicle is registered, it can then be supplied to the customer with registration plates fitted”

Infernal Racket

User1998 wrote: »

https://www.revenue.ie/en/tax-professionals/tdm/value-added-tax/part03-taxable-transactions-goods-ica-services/Goods/goods-transactions-motor-vehicles.pdf

“An authorised motor dealer, who holds a new motor vehicle as stock-in-trade, is not required to register the vehicle in his or her own name. However, the dealer is obliged to ensure that the vehicle is registered before the customer takes delivery of it. In the course of a sale, the dealer therefore generally collects the VRT amount from the customer and registers the vehicle in the customer’s name. This can be done by using the Revenue On-line System (ROS), or at any NCTS Centre . Once a vehicle is registered, it can then be supplied to the customer with registration plates fitted”

Yeah, I knew this alright but its not strictly illegal in that there are no laws being broken. You're just in a bit of bother with revenue if you're caught. It's a risk more so than breaking the law.

User1998

Well tax evasion for one is a law being broken. I’m not saying that selling a UK car is the biggest crime in the world. It definitely happens as you say, but OP should know that selling the car on UK plates is technically illegal and carries a risk, I had revenue and customs come to my door and tell me it was illegal

Infernal Racket

User1998 wrote: »

Well tax evasion for one is a law being broken. I’m not saying that selling a UK car is the biggest crime in the world. It definitely happens as you say, but OP should know that selling the car on UK plates is technically illegal and carries a risk, I had revenue and customs come to my door and tell me it was illegal

Yeah I had too. That's why I think best advice is just to pay the vrt, saves all the hardship.

walshtipp

Thank you for the information. I will probably just VRT it and then sell it to avoid any hardship.

extra-ordinary_

User1998 wrote: »

https://www.revenue.ie/en/tax-professionals/tdm/value-added-tax/part03-taxable-transactions-goods-ica-services/Goods/goods-transactions-motor-vehicles.pdf

“An authorised motor dealer, who holds a new motor vehicle as stock-in-trade, is not required to register the vehicle in his or her own name. However, the dealer is obliged to ensure that the vehicle is registered before the customer takes delivery of it. In the course of a sale, the dealer therefore generally collects the VRT amount from the customer and registers the vehicle in the customer’s name. This can be done by using the Revenue On-line System (ROS), or at any NCTS Centre . Once a vehicle is registered, it can then be supplied to the customer with registration plates fitted”

If the car has a UK plate then it can hardly be considered new then can it.

User1998

extra-ordinary_ wrote: »

If the car has a UK plate then it can hardly be considered new then can it.

Have a read of the link theres a section on used cars as well

extra-ordinary_

User1998 wrote: »

Have a read of the link theres a section on used cars as well

I did, I didn't see the part where it stated that it was illegal for a private individual to sell a secondhand car in the state that had not yet been registered in the state.

Irishder

bought a UK car off of donedeal a few years ago, VRT'd it myself. No issues still have it.

OP do you have it up for sale yet? If you do can you share a link?

elperello

walshtipp wrote: »

Thank you for the information. I will probably just VRT it and then sell it to avoid any hardship.

You might check the NOX charge on it before proceeding.

colm_mcm

Infernal Racket wrote: »

Are you 100% sure about that?? There are many traders who will sell on a UK car and the vrt is the responsibility of the buyer. I know of at least 5 traders in my area alone doing this for years.

He’s right.

Isambard

i sold a Uk reg car and the buyer crashed it on the way home and abandoned it. Had the Gards on my doorstep and they told me I was not "entitled" to sell it. They however agreed it was a Customs matter and left it there. I'd say from that it isn't actually illegal, I heard nothing from Customs.

walshtipp

Irishder wrote: »

bought a UK car off of donedeal a few years ago, VRT'd it myself. No issues still have it.

OP do you have it up for sale yet? If you do can you share a link?

I don't have it advertised yet. I will post here when I do.

colm_mcm

elperello wrote: »

You might check the NOX charge on it before proceeding.

Will be minuscule on a 2017 BMW.

elperello

colm_mcm wrote: »

Will be minuscule on a 2017 BMW.

Sorry I missed that it was 2017.

CiniO

NIMAN wrote: »

I always thought it was illegal to sell a uk car in Ireland?

Open to correction of course.

IMO it is illegal provided you're Irish resident. In that case if you brought UK registered car to Ireland, you are obliged to register it in Ireland (pay VRT) before you can sell it.

If you're foreign resident though, you can sell foreign registered car here IMO.
F.e. if UK resident goes on holidays to Ireland in his car, and decides to sell it here to Irish resident, then there should be no problem.
It would be pretty much same scenario as Irish resident buying a car from UK resident in UK. Fact that transaction took place in Ireland instead of UK wouldn't make a difference IMO.

colm_mcm

The difference might be that the car was registered in your name abroad?