Employers giving feedback

Jambonjunior

Would it be reasonable to set up a list of employers who don't respond to job applications, or who don't respond to first, or second round interviews?

We could do it as an off site google docs?

I dunno about anyone else, but I feel if someone takes the time to write an application or cover letter and supply a cv, the least they can expect is a reply saying no? I've a huge list of open applications, and I've no idea of which is still open, and which are just not responsive,

If we, as job seekers, set up a list of employers who aren't responsive, at least we can set peoples expectations, and maybe we'll encourage employers to be more responsive. If a business can't be bothered to respond and acknowledge your job application, are they really someone you want to work for?

At least if we have a community least, we know who to anticipate passive rejection from.

Kia_Kaha

Many advertised jobs get 1000s applications, so the best you can expect is an automated 'thank you for applying' or 'thanks but no thanks' generic email. Employers will only respond if they *want to interview to you*, you can't expect a HR person or hiring manager to spend their day replying to every single applicant. Rejection is part of job-seeking, one just has to get on with it IMO.

OMM 0000

Jambonjunior wrote: »

Would it be reasonable to set up a list of employers who don't respond to job applications, or who don't respond to first, or second round interviews?

We could do it as an off site google docs?

I dunno about anyone else, but I feel if someone takes the time to write an application or cover letter and supply a cv, the least they can expect is a reply saying no? I've a huge list of open applications, and I've no idea of which is still open, and which are just not responsive,

If we, as job seekers, set up a list of employers who aren't responsive, at least we can set peoples expectations, and maybe we'll encourage employers to be more responsive. If a business can't be bothered to respond and acknowledge your job application, are they really someone you want to work for?

At least if we have a community least, we know who to anticipate passive rejection from.

Only if you're ok with employers setting up a google doc of unreliable employees.

Bandana boy

Glass door already exists !

kenmm

Unfortunately its now standard practice to not hear anything back, just concentrate on your own game and if you getting lots of no responses, double check that there isn't something you can improve or do better with your applications.

jaffa20

I'd rather have no reply than those standard rejection emails within one day. They annoy me even more and probably haven't even looked at my CV. I would be a bit annoyed with no feedback after a phone interview or 1st interview though.

neris

Maybe employers can set up a list themselves of applicants who have applied for jobs they have no qualifications for, no experience for, havent read the advert properly, havent bothered sending a CV, dont live in the country,

moneymaid

I would find it really beneficial if employers woud give feedback on applications/interviews when asked.
I do think it someone has taken the time to complete an application / sat an interview and requests feedback that an employer should reply.

antfin

I would never expect feedback where I submit an application and I'm not even invited for an interview. There could be potentially 100s or 1000s of applications received with varying quality, experience or suitability for the position.

If I was invited for an interview I would expect to hear if I wasn't successful but usually I would take the initiative to send a polite chaser after a reasonable amount of time to request an update. Equally I wouldn't expect a reason or detailed feedback to be necessarily given voluntarily so if I felt that I was very suitable and did a good interview then I might ask for feedback. Often feedback might simply be that there was a more suitable candidate. Aside from the time used to give feedback to unsuccessful candidates, feedback can also be a difficult area for employers. The decision can be based on something specific such as another candidate having better/more experience or something less tangible such as personality or 'fit for the team'. As an interviewer, I would usually place just as much emphasis on these less tangible qualities but where you just don't think a personality will fit the existing team it can be difficult to convey without causing offence or a candidate getting defensive so I can understand why most employers don't get into detailed feedback other than a simple rejection notification.

spaceHopper

If you get called for an interview and get eliminated early on then you might get a response. If you get close to an offer they will wait for the selected candidate to accept or even start before sending any letters. What if they don't take the job...

dubrov

OP, you need to change your application approach. Stop using generic templates for your cover letter. You need to stand out and personalise your application

Also try and tailor you CV to the role you have applied for.

moneymaid

antfin wrote:

If I was invited for an interview I would expect to hear if I wasn't successful but usually I would take the initiative to send a polite chaser after a reasonable amount of time to request an update. Equally I wouldn't expect a reason or detailed feedback to be necessarily given voluntarily so if I felt that I was very suitable and did a good interview then I might ask for feedback. Often feedback might simply be that there was a more suitable candidate. Aside from the time used to give feedback to unsuccessful candidates, feedback can also be a difficult area for employers. The decision can be based on something specific such as another candidate having better/more experience or something less tangible such as personality or 'fit for the team'. As an interviewer, I would usually place just as much emphasis on these less tangible qualities but where you just don't think a personality will fit the existing team it can be difficult to convey without causing offence or a candidate getting defensive so I can understand why most employers don't get into detailed feedback other than a simple rejection notification.

I fully appreciate that, but if someone requests feedback I dont think it's that much to expect a reply. I'm not saying an employer shoud come back with a detailed explanation as to where you fell short etc but a reply of some sort would be just manners!

Mrs OBumble

It sucks when they interview you and don't at least call or email to say "sorry but no". But no employer is ever going to tell you the truth about why they didn't hire you.

antfin

moneymaid wrote: »

I fully appreciate that, but if someone requests feedback I dont think it's that much to expect a reply. I'm not saying an employer shoud come back with a detailed explanation as to where you fell short etc but a reply of some sort would be just manners!

I agree. Usually I would send an email within a reasonable timeframe after an interview simply stating that unfortunately the candidate was unsuccessful on this occasion and wishing them luck in their job search. Sometimes this may be slightly delayed if you have a prefered candidate with an offer pending so you might hold off notifying a second choice candidate until a first choice candidate has formally accepted or rejected an offer.

Jambonjunior

Kia_Kaha wrote: »

Many advertised jobs get 1000s applications, so the best you can expect is an automated 'thank you for applying' or 'thanks but no thanks' generic email. Employers will only respond if they *want to interview to you*, you can't expect a HR person or hiring manager to spend their day replying to every single applicant. Rejection is part of job-seeking, one just has to get on with it IMO.

I get that. Most places don't even bother with an automated no. That shouldn't take much to do.

Only expecting more of a responsive if I've had a multi-round interview.

OMM 0000

It should be noted jobs.ie pre-screen all job applications and reject about 50% of them, so the employer may not have even received your job application.

Jambonjunior

dubrov wrote: »

OP, you need to change your application approach. Stop using generic templates for your cover letter. You need to stand out and personalise your application

Also try and tailor you CV to the role you have applied for.

I do do that. Which is makes it frustrating that a lot of places don't even acknowledge that they received it.

seamus

OMM 0000 wrote: »

Only if you're ok with employers setting up a google doc of unreliable employees.

That's not the same thing and you know exactly why.

In any case OP, I wouldn't be bothered with a google doc or something. It might be handy for your own reference, but nobody else is going to look or contribute.

Use Glassdoor to see what others say about companies, and you can register your own experience there too.

Remember that ratings are skewed towards the negative because unhappy people are more likely to speak out than happy ones. So a rating of 3.5 or higher on Glassdoor usually means "pretty good". 2.5-3.5 is pretty typical, 1.5-2.5 is a bit iffy, and anything under 1.5 is a company to avoid.

beauf

Jambonjunior wrote: »

Would it be reasonable to set up a list of employers who don't respond to job applications, or who don't respond to first, or second round interviews?

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At least if we have a community least, we know who to anticipate passive rejection from.

Reasonable no.
Assume you never get a reply and stop obsessing about it.

Keeping working on your CV and skillset until you get reply.