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Ceramic coating over swirls

  • 17-08-2020 9:22am
    #1
    statto25
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    I picked up a pretty clean F10 Tourer recently that has ceramic coating installed. I notice however there a a lot of washing swirls under the coating. I am not that familiar with ceramic and applying/removal but Id like to machine polish the car but understand the ceramic coating needs to come off first.
    What is the process for stripping back the ceramic or what are the steps I should follow?


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  • #2
    vectra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,632 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    statto25 wrote: »
    I picked up a pretty clean F10 Tourer recently that has ceramic coating installed. I notice however there a a lot of washing swirls under the coating. I am not that familiar with ceramic and applying/removal but Id like to machine polish the car but understand the ceramic coating needs to come off first.
    What is the process for stripping back the ceramic or what are the steps I should follow?

    Machine polish will remove it for you.

    Are you sure the swirls are under the coating?
    When was it applied and what product if you know?


  • #3
    statto25
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    vectra wrote: »
    Machine polish will remove it for you.

    Are you sure the swirls are under the coating?
    When was it applied and what product if you know?


    A year ago I believe and is a self topup I was told. How heavy of a polish would you need to use? See I am not sure if the swirls are under the ceramic or not until I get it off


  • #4
    vectra
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    statto25 wrote: »
    A year ago I believe and is a self topup I was told. How heavy of a polish would you need to use? See I am not sure if the swirls are under the ceramic or not until I get it off

    Self top up ??
    I would imagine bad maintenance has caused the swirls.
    I wonder would it be worth giving it a go with >> This first?


  • #5
    statto25
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    vectra wrote: »
    Self top up ??
    I would imagine bad maintenance has caused the swirls.
    I wonder would it be worth giving it a go with >> This first?


    Sounded like they were applying it themselves at regular interval. Thanks vectra, I have a look at that and see would it work


  • #6
    MetzgerMeister
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    If they were applying regularly it sounds to me to be more like a spray sealant which can often be referred to as ceramic sealant. In essence it's an Si02-based spray-on sealant which can be removed easily.

    What you should do is polish as normal with the aim of removing swirl marks, scratches etc. and don't worry about any coating. When the swirls are removed you can be sure that whatever coating was on there has also been removed.

    In order to aid with removal of any coating, claying the car will help along with tar removal, maybe chemical decontamination and washing with an all purpose cleaner as well as normal shampoo.


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  • #7
    statto25
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    MetzgerMeister wrote: »
    If they were applying regularly it sounds to me to be more like a spray sealant which can often be referred to as ceramic sealant. In essence it's an Si02-based spray-on sealant which can be removed easily.

    What you should do is polish as normal with the aim of removing swirl marks, scratches etc. and don't worry about any coating. When the swirls are removed you can be sure that whatever coating was on there has also been removed.

    In order to aid with removal of any coating, claying the car will help along with tar removal, maybe chemical decontamination and washing with an all purpose cleaner as well as normal shampoo.

    Fair Play MM. I had another look today under proper lighting and looks like it was badly polished in spots so it needs a proper polishing. I'll be doing all the usual prep before going near the machine.


  • #8
    clubberlang12
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    As MM said........if you see the swirls removed......the coating is gone too. Most regular coatings are less than 0.5 microns per layer.

    Polishing wise, start off with a medium abrasive polish/compound and pad and work upward in abrasive combination as the paint desires it.


  • #9
    pinking
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    Highly unlikely to be under the coating, probably worn off now so see how you get on with some super resin polish - normally sorts minor swirling out within minutes


  • #10
    vectra
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    pinking wrote: »
    Highly unlikely to be under the coating, probably worn off now so see how you get on with some super resin polish - normally sorts HIDES minor swirling out within minutes

    FYP :pac:


  • #11
    statto25
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    I did a tester a few days ago by first claying and then using Meguires Ultimate compound and an orange pad. Haze/buffer trails gone but swirls still there so it was coated with the defects


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  • #12
    clubberlang12
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    Autoglym Super Resin Polish is a glaze with minimal abrasives contained in it. It's main function is to mask or "fill in" minor swirls and inflictions.


  • #13
    statto25
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    clubberlang12 wrote: »
    Autoglym Super Resin Polish is a glaze with minimal abrasives contained in it. It's main function is to mask or "fill in" minor swirls and inflictions.


    Rather than masking the swirls id like to do a proper correction on it. I am absolute novice at this but have the patience to get it right I suppose


  • #14
    vectra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,632 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    statto25 wrote: »
    Rather than masking the swirls id like to do a proper correction on it. I am absolute novice at this but have the patience to get it right I suppose


    The problem with ceramics, if you are not properly set up with decent PDG etc, you have no idea if you are removing the coating or the lacquer.
    Proceed with caution.


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