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23andme and other ancestry DNA test kits

  • 03-08-2020 11:01am
    #1
    SharpshooterTom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭


    Anyone done one of these? Thinking about buying one from 23andme for now.

    I'm doubt going to get anything exotic lol, although supposedly the average Irish person scores around 85-90% "British & Irish" yet the average ethnic English person scores considerably lower, not much over 50% owing to higher compositions from "French & German" and Scandinavian categories. I've seen numerous Irish people score 95-100% British and Irish, infact one woman here got 99.9%.

    Are 23andme and AncestryDNA considered the best two?


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  • #2
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    I think Ancestry has a bigger database which helps in these type results, anything exotic most likely will be well diluted after six generations.


  • #3
    completedit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    SharpshooterTom wrote: »
    Anyone done one of these? Thinking about buying one from 23andme for now.

    I'm doubt going to get anything exotic lol, although supposedly the average Irish person scores around 85-90% "British & Irish" yet the average ethnic English person scores considerably lower, not much over 50% owing to higher compositions from "French & German" and Scandinavian categories. I've seen numerous Irish people score 95-100% British and Irish, infact one woman here got 99.9%.

    Are 23andme and AncestryDNA considered the best two?

    Isn't it overstated the diversity of ethnic Enlish? I read before that they're not as diverse as they like to present themselves as. More diverse than Irish ofc


  • #4
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Eastern English skew a bit more toward Scandinavia. They classify Irish and British together as Irish, Scots and Welsh are very similar, but they have a feature where they estimate your Irish region. 23andme had a hard time determining some English people from Norway (I think it was) at one point. This kind of stuff is really fine tuning, as the base deep ancestry is similar.


  • #5
    SharpshooterTom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭SharpshooterTom


    Ipso wrote: »
    Eastern English skew a bit more toward Scandinavia.

    Yeah East Anglia is supposed to have to highest percentage of German admixture in England, averaging something like 30-40%.


  • #6
    Aglomerado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭Aglomerado


    I'm from west of Ireland and mine shows 15% Balkan. The rest is as expected (Ireland/ Scotland/England). It probably goes back a long way but I'd have thought it would be well diluted by now.


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  • #7
    Str8outtaWuhan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    did ancestry, 100% Ireland and scotland , and seemingly all irish as far back as 1700's. shocked really as it doesnt tally with family oral history. but when i matched dna with their geneology stuff through census and church records , sure enough both sides of family are from the same 20 sq miles of north connaught going back at least 200 years, inbred feckers


  • #8
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    23andme sell your data to pharmaceutical firms and insurance providers. They should be paying you for your data, not the other way around.

    Ridiculous stuff.


  • #9
    Nigel Fairservice
    Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    My Ancestry test said 100% Ireland and Scotland. It even narrows it down to south west Munster which is very accurate. I didn't think the test could be that specific.


  • #10
    un5byh7sqpd2x0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭un5byh7sqpd2x0


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    23andme sell your data to pharmaceutical firms and insurance providers. They should be paying you for your data, not the other way around.

    Ridiculous stuff.

    They all do


  • #11
    bnt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,076 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    23andme sell your data to pharmaceutical firms and insurance providers. They should be paying you for your data, not the other way around.

    Ridiculous stuff.
    Do they sell it in a way that can be linked to you? The nightmare scenario, in my view, would be for an insurance company to get my genetic data (if I participated) and go "oh look, he has a higher risk of heart disease, let's charge him more for life insurance". That would be illegal under GDPR regulations at least, if not more specific legislation that may be in effect too.

    There's a difference between that and data that is anonymised and/or aggregated. I was curious about this, so I went and looked at their research page, which also happens to say: "At this time, people who live in Denmark, Finland, Ireland, Netherlands and Sweden cannot participate in research."

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



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  • #12
    un5byh7sqpd2x0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭un5byh7sqpd2x0


    News Just In: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ancestry-m-a-blackstone-group-idUSKCN2512ES

    They didn't pay $4.7bn for your family tree...


  • #13
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Susan Unimportant Advisor wrote: »
    News Just In: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ancestry-m-a-blackstone-group-idUSKCN2512ES

    They didn't pay $4.7bn for your family tree...

    Nothing to do with $1 billion in annual revenue.


  • #14
    un5byh7sqpd2x0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭un5byh7sqpd2x0


    Ipso wrote: »
    Nothing to do with $1 billion in annual revenue.

    How much of that is profit? :confused:


  • #15
    Yellow_Fern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    Aglomerado wrote: »
    I'm from west of Ireland and mine shows 15% Balkan. The rest is as expected (Ireland/ Scotland/England). It probably goes back a long way but I'd have thought it would be well diluted by now.
    Remeber they have no irish DNA from medieval times so not much to compare it to but very diluted groups. In a few years it will be much more accurate. We have some Neolithic Irish genomes published now and more will come.

    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    23andme sell your data to pharmaceutical firms and insurance providers. They should be paying you for your data, not the other way around.

    Ridiculous stuff.
    Not personal identifiable data.
    bnt wrote: »
    Do they sell it in a way that can be linked to you? The nightmare scenario, in my view, would be for an insurance company to get my genetic data (if I participated) and go "oh look, he has a higher risk of heart disease, let's charge him more for life insurance". That would be illegal under GDPR regulations at least, if not more specific legislation that may be in effect too.

    There's a difference between that and data that is anonymised and/or aggregated. I was curious about this, so I went and looked at their research page, which also happens to say: "At this time, people who live in Denmark, Finland, Ireland, Netherlands and Sweden cannot participate in research."

    No. It would be illegal for a insurance company to do that here. Perhaps in the US too. Not sure


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