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Civil Service staff/role ratios

  • 24-07-2020 7:03pm
    #1
    WAW
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭


    Hi, would anyone know if there is a ratio in civil service for nbers at each grade? Eg. How many COs to EOs to HEOs and APs. Eg take typical department: in a department before an EO is needed, how many EOs before a HEO is appointed,AP and so on?


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  • #2
    Augme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭Augme


    WAW wrote: »
    Hi, would anyone know if there is a ratio in civil service for nbers at each grade? Eg. How many COs to EOs to HEOs and APs. Eg take typical department: in a department before an EO is needed, how many EOs before a HEO is appointed,AP and so on?

    It's very hard to say because a lot depends on the work. I know some departments and units would be much more too heavy and would have few COs while more HEOs. It boils down to the nature of the work. Departments that have a heavy customer service role will have more COs and EOs than departments that are more policy based.


  • #3
    WAW
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭WAW


    Thanks but typically what would ratio be? I heard that you must have certain numbers eg an EO would only have so many COs , if you have X number of EOs you will get a HEO in your department, etc


  • #4
    PhoenixParker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭PhoenixParker


    I was looking for it the other day and couldn't find anything. The EO mobility map gives a good indication of CO & EO numbers.

    I suspect a parliamentary question by a TD would get an answer.


  • #5
    Rikand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,513 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    On average 2-3 COs per EO
    On average 4-5 EOs per HEO
    On average 3-4 HEOs per AP

    Would be my reckoning based on my semi-familiar basis with the civil service


  • #6
    gerbilgranny
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭gerbilgranny


    I worked in a section of a department where the EO was supervising 8 or more COs at one stage. In a slightly different section of the same department, (but basically doing the same type of work), the EO has 1.6 COs!


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  • #7
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    varies hugely, no one answer


    some depts dont allow EOs manage COs!


  • #8
    Aglomerado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭Aglomerado


    Varies wildly. Within the same organisation, as an EO I supervised 4, 10 and 0 COs.The supervisory role was within a unit headed up by a HEO who had two other EOs as direct reports, with more COs under them.
    Working as a HEO now I only have one direct report and no COs, I have also had a time when I had zero staff! (Could be explained by the fact that my role was previously filled by AOs...but I know several AOs who are filling traditional HEO posts too.)


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