Farm safety week

whelan2

This is farm safety week. I know a lot of accidents are accidents but alot could be prevented. Even today we had a minor event while working with cattle. I put the bar in in the crush behind the last animal unbeknown to me my dad went to put in a second bar, I started injecting them and last animal moved back trapping his hand between the two bars. I was rushing to drop young lad to soccer camp.You never know what's around the corner. Keep safe folks.

raypallas

whelan2 wrote: »

This is farm safety week. I know a lot of accidents are accidents but alot could be prevented. Even today we had a minor event while working with cattle. I put the bar in in the crush behind the last animal unbeknown to me my dad went to put in a second bar, I started injecting them and last animal moved back trapping his hand between the two bars. I was rushing to drop young lad to soccer camp.You never know what's around the corner. Keep safe folks.

Did anyone see the clip on the news with Martin Heydon TD, speaking about calling out unsafe farms or practices just after he fitted a damaged PTO shaft on a mower onto a tractor that had no chain fitted to it. Not saying much for himself.

TooOldBoots

If they gave a ****e about safety then they wouldn't be adding 23%VAT to safety items like a PTO cover

50HX

TooOldBoots wrote: »

If they gave a ****e about safety then they wouldn't be adding 23%VAT to safety items like a PTO cover

If they really cared there would no pto at all

Fcuking things should be banned

ganmo

raypallas wrote: »

Did anyone see the clip on the news with Martin Heydon TD, speaking about calling out unsafe farms or practices just after he fitted a damaged PTO shaft on a mower onto a tractor that had no chain fitted to it. Not saying much for himself.

Ah ffs ya dont need to do a perfect job, you just need to make improvements.

raypallas

ganmo wrote: »

Ah ffs ya dont need to do a perfect job, you just need to make improvements.

I would agree with you to a point but don't show an unsafe PTO shaft on national tv. If he had made reference to it and said it needs to be repaired or explain improvements all fine and fair enough.

50HX

50HX wrote: »

If they really cared there would no pto at all

Fcuking things should be banned

You might as well say ban tractors, how will you operate machinery without a pto.

If used correctly nothing wrong with a pto.

50HX

Judson Straight Goalpost wrote: »

You might as well say ban tractors, how will you operate machinery without a pto.

If used correctly nothing wrong with a pto.

Plenty wrong with them and even with everyting right at that rpm when something does go wrong you've little chance

Machinery can be oprated by hydraulics, esp the likes of vacuum tanks can fitted to work without pto for circa 2k

893bet

50HX wrote: »

Plenty wrong with them and even with everyting right at that rpm when something does go wrong you've little chance

Machinery can be oprated by hydraulics, esp the likes of vacuum tanks can fitted to work without pto for circa 2k

Baby and the bath water.

Being struck or crush by machinery accounts for multiple time the deaths and many multiple times the reported accidents for PTO. Let’s ban tractors.

_Brian

50HX wrote: »

Plenty wrong with them and even with everyting right at that rpm when something does go wrong you've little chance

Machinery can be oprated by hydraulics, esp the likes of vacuum tanks can fitted to work without pto for circa 2k

That’s an unreasonable position.
Plenty of farms don’t have €2k to throw out on a hydraulic motor set up.

PTO with appropriate covers and given respect are fine.

Machinery is dangerous but can be made appropriately safe to use when used with caution and education.

50HX

50HX wrote: »

Plenty wrong with them and even with everyting right at that rpm when something does go wrong you've little chance

Machinery can be oprated by hydraulics, esp the likes of vacuum tanks can fitted to work without pto for circa 2k

Our second hand tank didn’t cost much more than 2k, no way would we be willing to fork out 2k to retrofit something that’s totally unnecessary. What about all the other implements on farms, mowers, fert spreaders. turners etc are going to force farmers to spend 10’s of thousands upgrading everything if it’s even possible to run many of these implements without a pto? Madness.

Take the precautions and not a thing wrong with a pto. Far more dangerous things on farms than a Pto which is easy to operate safely.

blackbox

50HX wrote: »

Plenty wrong with them and even with everyting right at that rpm when something does go wrong you've little chance

Machinery can be oprated by hydraulics, esp the likes of vacuum tanks can fitted to work without pto for circa 2k

Hydraulics are also a means of transferring a large amount of energy, and if the proper precautions are not taken can also be very dangerous.

lakill Farm

TooOldBoots wrote: »

If they gave a ****e about safety then they wouldn't be adding 23%VAT to safety items like a PTO cover

No vat on safety boots/steel cap wellies up the north

_Brian

Should we be looking to achieve a minimum safety standard on farms ?!

Should public money go to farms that haven’t passed basic safety inspections ??

If we were told to receive direct payment in three years time we all have to be up to a basic standard there would be improvements made across the bord. You have to pass the inspection to get the payment.

They would bring farming more into line with other business receiving public money.

And it’s more the carrot rather than the stick approach.


Other aspects continue to amaze me. In most business to have insurance valid employees need to have received minimum levels of safety training be that manual handling or safe pass. Yet farm insurance hands out public and employee cover without a thought.
No inspections to see what roadside fencing is like to keep stock away from traffic. No idea of the skill levels of workers.

granturismo

lakill Farm wrote: »

No vat on safety boots/steel cap willies up the north

Steel cap what?

lakill Farm

:eek::eek::eek:

granturismo wrote: »

Steel cap what?

50HX

I am not advocating that tractors should be banned

Vacuum tanks are the worst imo

Other implements outlined above have a 3 point linkage so there is some barrier between man and machine

Nothing in life is fool proof and we need to change the mentality of "no way i'm paying for that'

This can be achieved in a number of ways as oultined by Brian

There will always be an excuse for not spending money on safety

Imo all new tanks should come with the hydraulic system instead of pto

Having been witness to a near fatal pto accident i wouldn't wish it on anybody

When you go through having to free someone from a pto a retrofit on some(not all) machines suddenly becomes v v cheap

lakill Farm

Hydraulic change over on my tanker. No need to go next or near the pump area when pto is running

50HX wrote: »

I am not advocating that tractors should be banned

Vacuum tanks are the worst imo

Other implements outlined above have a 3 point linkage so there is some barrier between man and machine

Nothing in life is fool proof and we need to change the mentality of "no way i'm paying for that'

This can be achieved in a number of ways as oultined by Brian

There will always be an excuse for not spending money on safety

Imo all new tanks should come with the hydraulic system instead of pto

Having been witness to a near fatal pto accident i wouldn't wish it on anybody

When you go through having to free someone from a pto a retrofit on some(not all) machines suddenly becomes v v cheap

_Brian

50HX wrote: »

I am not advocating that tractors should be banned

Vacuum tanks are the worst imo

Other implements outlined above have a 3 point linkage so there is some barrier between man and machine

Nothing in life is fool proof and we need to change the mentality of "no way i'm paying for that'

This can be achieved in a number of ways as oultined by Brian

There will always be an excuse for not spending money on safety

Imo all new tanks should come with the hydraulic system instead of pto

Having been witness to a near fatal pto accident i wouldn't wish it on anybody

When you go through having to free someone from a pto a retrofit on some(not all) machines suddenly becomes v v cheap

Was witness to a pto accident myself here at home many years ago.

But the accident was contributed to by an unguarded shaft and an operator with loose clothing being too close to the unguarded shaft. Both risks could have been managed to avoid the accident occurring at all.

Manage risks and you eliminate or minimise accidents and their outcomes. Managing risk doesn’t necessarily mean eliminating the activity. If there is a safe way to perform an action why would you eliminate it ?

50HX

And if there is a safer way to perform the activity why not have that instead?

Hurling Hereford

Farm Safety Competition

https://www.surveyhero.com/c/da34bcce

_Brian

50HX wrote: »

And if there is a safer way to perform the activity why not have that instead?

Like any business you have to weigh up the cost implications.
Going broke trying to have no risk isn’t a viable position.

All businesses have to make these decisions all the time. Identifying risks and managing them to minimise impact. Sometimes that means yes, you can eliminate a risk activity altogether, but for many that means implementing safety procedures to do it safely.

50HX

_Brian wrote: »

Like any business you have to weigh up the cost implications.
Going broke trying to have no risk isn’t a viable position.

All businesses have to make these decisions all the time. Identifying risks and managing them to minimise impact. Sometimes that means yes, you can eliminate a risk activity altogether, but for many that means implementing safety procedures to do it safely.

Agree with you in the most part

The one good thing about discussions like these is it raises awareness on certain activities

Up to each individual farm to operate as safely as possible

Here's to all of us keeping safe