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Semi-Detached with SW facing garden vs Detached with North facing garden

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  • 15-07-2020 12:24am
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    Registered Users Posts: 623 ✭✭✭


    Hi all,

    The title pretty much sums it up. We're currently house hunting and there's a new estate coming up soon that ticks a lot of boxes for us.

    There are two house types that we're interested in, a semi-detached and a detached. Both are hopefully within budget, same layout, size etc so the main issue that we're debating is the garden direction. The detached houses all have north or north-east facing gardens while the semi-detached have south-west facing gardens. The north/north east facing gardens of the detached houses would have tall existing hedges/trees behind them while the south-west facing gardens of the semi-detached would back onto the gardens of other semi detached houses. Both house types are two storey with ~10m long back gardens.

    I know it will come down to a which is a priority for us - but any advice appreciated - which is the most important - sunlight or peace and quiet?

    Thanks


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭Ray Donovan


    Having rented in a semi D for 5 years and built my own detached - take your own 4 walls every day of the week.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 149 ✭✭bdmc5


    Hi all,

    The title pretty much sums it up. We're currently house hunting and there's a new estate coming up soon that ticks a lot of boxes for us.

    There are two house types that we're interested in, a semi-detached and a detached. Both are hopefully within budget, same layout, size etc so the main issue that we're debating is the garden direction. The detached houses all have north or north-east facing gardens while the semi-detached have south-west facing gardens. The north/north east facing gardens of the detached houses would have tall existing hedges/trees behind them while the south-west facing gardens of the semi-detached would back onto the gardens of other semi detached houses. Both house types are two storey with ~10m long back gardens.

    I know it will come down to a which is a priority for us - but any advice appreciated - which is the most important - sunlight or peace and quiet?

    Thanks

    For what it’s worth it is definitely possible to have both quiet and great light in Semi D. Granted our semi D was a new build and we literally don’t hear a single bit noise from our neighbours so this may not be the same for you.

    We lived in 2 properties back in our renting days which both had North facing gardens and now living with a south facing garden I could never see myself buying any property with a north garden. Expect slow drying , quicker moss buildup , colder rooms in back of house to name a afew. The extra light and warmth as well as resale value of south facing garden are so much better in my experience.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,767 ✭✭✭GingerLily


    I live in a SD east facing garden, and I'd prefer a west facing garden to a detached house (if we're talking new builds).

    Is the houses are well built, nothing wrong with a SD, and if they're not, I probably wouldn't bother with the detached either tbh


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,310 ✭✭✭Pkiernan


    Fully detached only.

    Wouldn't consider anything else.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,588 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Garden for me


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭Little Miss Fairy


    Having rented for years, I’d go detached. The majority of neighbours are great but my sister and her hubby were living in a semi-detached house and the other semi d owners were fighting non stop.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,593 ✭✭✭theteal


    Any kind of a slope involved OP? A north facing garden with an upward slope may not be too bad - obviously the back of the house will never have sunlight though.

    If the land is flat though, and the party wall isn't made of paper, I'd take the semi with SW aspect any day of the week.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,262 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    Garden facing SW every day. Having the sunshine in the evenings, being able to sit out and have a meal or a few drinks makes such a difference.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭mojesius


    If they're new builds, they're likely to be pretty solid in terms of noise reduction.

    I love sitting out in the sun, reading a book or listening to music so I'd go with the semi-detached with the south facing garden.


  • Registered Users Posts: 958 ✭✭✭Stratvs


    Ours estate is a mix of semi & det. We're detached with north facing rear garden. Some trees of our own planting. Never had a problem with light or indeed sunshine. Spent many days in April/May this year out there and have quite a stay-tan as a result! We also have a glasshouse and sunroom on that north side and get great east and west sunlight. You say the south facing back garden semis back onto other rear gardens so are there upstairs windows facing each other across the respective gardens? Mightn't bother some but I wouldn't be keen if they were. As the front is south facing we do benefit from great light in the front rooms and with careful planting it's still very private.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 623 ✭✭✭QuiteInterestin


    Thanks for all the replies, lots to think about. I should have included a poll :)
    bdmc5 wrote: »
    Granted our semi D was a new build and we literally don’t hear a single bit noise from our neighbours so this may not be the same for you.

    It's a new build estate so hopefully the build quality will be good.
    theteal wrote: »
    Any kind of a slope involved OP? A north facing garden with an upward slope may not be too bad - obviously the back of the house will never have sunlight though.

    If the land is flat though, and the party wall isn't made of paper, I'd take the semi with SW aspect any day of the week.

    No slope involved that I can see, both seem to have flat back yards.
    Stratvs wrote: »
    Ours estate is a mix of semi & det. We're detached with north facing rear garden. Some trees of our own planting. Never had a problem with light or indeed sunshine. Spent many days in April/May this year out there and have quite a stay-tan as a result! We also have a glasshouse and sunroom on that north side and get great east and west sunlight.

    That's great to hear, some of the stuff online would make you think a north facing garden never saw daylight.
    Stratvs wrote: »
    You say the south facing back garden semis back onto other rear gardens so are there upstairs windows facing each other across the respective gardens? Mightn't bother some but I wouldn't be keen if they were. As the front is south facing we do benefit from great light in the front rooms and with careful planting it's still very private.

    Ya, the back windows of the semi-detached upstairs windows would face each other across each of the house's back gardens, they would be ~22m apart.

    I've never really been one for sitting outside in the sun, for me it's the light coming into the house that I'm concerned about, especially as I'll probably spend most of my time in the kitchen/living area at the back of the house. I'm also very sensitive to noise though so noisy neighbours would be a nightmare for me.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 179 ✭✭Dylan94


    We have been having the same dilemma. We are looking at a new build too. On top of the standard price for a Semi D they charge and extra €25,000 for a South Facing rear Garden or an Extra €25,000 for detached.

    We have been mulling it over a long time now and we decided to go with the South Facing garden. Our thinking is that we love being outside and laying in the sun so having easy access to it is really important. We spend a lot of time in the kitchen so want it to have as much sun light as possible.


  • Administrators Posts: 53,783 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    If I had to make this choice I think I'd pick the garden.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,593 ✭✭✭theteal


    Dylan94 wrote: »
    We have been having the same dilemma. We are looking at a new build too. On top of the standard price for a Semi D they charge and extra €25,000 for a South Facing rear Garden or an Extra €25,000 for detached.

    We have been mulling it over a long time now and we decided to go with the South Facing garden. Our thinking is that we love being outside and laying in the sun so having easy access to it is really important. We spend a lot of time in the kitchen so want it to have as much sun light as possible.

    Any west facing? Is there a premium for those? You'll get sunlight even later in the evening with a west facer, the only "problem" is that rear bedrooms can be still very warm come bed time.

    Our last home was east facing and we said never again, now we've swapped direction we spend more time in the garden than the house itself.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭JustAThought


    My house garden faces south - deliberately chosen - but this means one of living rooms and front large bedroom faces north and only gets the evening ‘sun’ light. It dosn’t matter
    to me as I use the south facing bedrooms principaly and will have the heat turned in in the living room at night anyway, but it is a consideration. But given the choice between putting the heat on earlier or having noisy neighbours in a semi-d it is an easy choice for me.

    Regarding noise and neighbours next time I buy a house it will be detached. But, as someone rightly pointed out, families will also buy detached houses so this will mean more noise in the summer in gardens. However semi detached will definately have kids, be closer and a lot noisier and probably a lot more noise during the day and night when you want to be relaxing as you will also have music, tv’s and whatever else indoor sports and family noise/congestion they will be getting up to.

    Its a lot of money to be spending - can you not hold out for a SW or W facing detached? Also what rooms face north - cos the other garden and rooms will be south facing!! Which is really positive!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 179 ✭✭Dylan94


    theteal wrote: »
    Any west facing? Is there a premium for those? You'll get sunlight even later in the evening with a west facer, the only "problem" is that rear bedrooms can be still very warm come bed time.

    Our last home was east facing and we said never again, now we've swapped direction we spend more time in the garden than the house itself.

    There are no west facing in this phase, could be in the future though and I'm not sure if they charge extra. What time do you start getting the sun at Near the back door when West facing?


  • Registered Users Posts: 125 ✭✭hero25


    Detached will have better re-sale value. I would imagine there is some area at the rear of the garden that would receive sunlight for most of the day, if enjoying the garden in sunlight is required.
    IMO - detached all the way!


  • Administrators Posts: 53,783 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Dylan94 wrote: »
    There are no west facing in this phase, could be in the future though and I'm not sure if they charge extra. What time do you start getting the sun at Near the back door when West facing?

    If the house is true west then it'd be early afternoon before there's sun directly on the back of the house.

    Depending on what's to the south of you and the layout of your garden, you could get the sun near the back door from mid-morning.

    Of course, if there's something to the south of you to block the sun (like another house) then you might not get sun at the back door til late in the afternoon / early evening. Said lots of times on here, aspect is only 1 factor, the sun you get will vary massively depending on what's around you. When you view the house make sure you go to the garden and take a good look all around.


  • Registered Users Posts: 623 ✭✭✭QuiteInterestin


    theteal wrote: »
    Any west facing? Is there a premium for those? You'll get sunlight even later in the evening with a west facer, the only "problem" is that rear bedrooms can be still very warm come bed time.

    Unfortunately there's no detached with west facing gardens, they're only North/North East :(. Also, Semi-D's with west facing gardens back onto a road which I was hoping to avoid.
    Its a lot of money to be spending - can you not hold out for a SW or W facing detached? Also what rooms face north - cos the other garden and rooms will be south facing!! Which is really positive!!

    Thanks, it's a pretty standard layout. Open plan kitchen/dining to the back and sitting room to the front. Upstairs, master bedroom and box room to the front with other two bedrooms to the back. Unfortunately, even with this dilemma, there's nothing else at the moment that I've found that I like better than these


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,903 ✭✭✭appledrop


    100% detached house.When we were buying current house I wasn't bothered whether semi detached or detached just wanted house i liked etc.


    My husband on other hand was holding out for detached house.



    Well how right he was. Now that I live in a detached house I would never live in semidetached or terraced again!


    The peace + quite, not having to share a driveway. The list goes on!


    The thing about new builds is that while the orientation of your garden is of course important even more so is site and what's around you. You could have south facing garden but as you said be near a road or be overlooked. Your north facing garden might be more private. You need to visit the actual site + figure out where garden is what could over look you etc.


    The other thing is adapting your garden to suit orientation. Put your patio/ decking etc down bottom of garden for example if north facing as that will keep sun for longest in evening.


    At the end of day have a look out window at current weather at height of summer! This is Ireland + not matter how much we do up or gardens or buy fancy furniture we are limited in time we get to spend outside enjoying it.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 219 ✭✭Queasy Tadpole


    I'd take the garden no question.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭PhoenixParker


    Detached in a new build? I'm gonna guess that basically means 3ft between you and the house in each side. Materially there's little difference to a semi-d in a properly built house so I'd go for the garden orientation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    Hi all,

    The title pretty much sums it up. We're currently house hunting and there's a new estate coming up soon that ticks a lot of boxes for us.

    There are two house types that we're interested in, a semi-detached and a detached. Both are hopefully within budget, same layout, size etc so the main issue that we're debating is the garden direction. The detached houses all have north or north-east facing gardens while the semi-detached have south-west facing gardens. The north/north east facing gardens of the detached houses would have tall existing hedges/trees behind them while the south-west facing gardens of the semi-detached would back onto the gardens of other semi detached houses. Both house types are two storey with ~10m long back gardens.

    I know it will come down to a which is a priority for us - but any advice appreciated - which is the most important - sunlight or peace and quiet?

    Thanks
    What trees are at the back of the north facing garden?


  • Registered Users Posts: 623 ✭✭✭QuiteInterestin


    appledrop wrote: »
    The thing about new builds is that while the orientation of your garden is of course important even more so is site and what's around you. You could have south facing garden but as you said be near a road or be overlooked. Your north facing garden might be more private. You need to visit the actual site + figure out where garden is what could over look you etc.

    Thanks, we'll definitely be paying lots of visits to the site before making any final decisions, I'm a total procrastinator so I'd like to have as much research as possible in done in advance.
    What trees are at the back of the north facing garden?

    Green ones? :o:o:o They're definitely not everygreens but don't know the type, sorry. They're the existing trees on the site that split it up from the estate beside it that have been growing there for years.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭JustAThought


    I bought and had put in mature trees once i discovered I was unhappy at not having any - they were very expensive - about a grand each - but really the best money I ever mis-spent! Plant them far away from your neighbours so they won’t hang over their gardens and be cut by them if you decide to go semi-d which I don’t advise!

    You havn’t mentioned the front gardens at all yet? Some of my neighbours whose front are South facing have done beautiful enclosed gardens in their fronts complete with woven wicker fences for privacy ( buy in 6 foot sheets in woodies) and with sunloungers, woven style table & chairs, heat burners with dinky lights and landscaping - they are relatively small - car & about 25 foot but really imaginative and private. Everyone admires them. Will your detached house have a front garden or a side garden - google small gardens designs or city gardens designs and you can see how people really make the most of what they have. If the back is North then the front is South - make that work for you!

    A 10m garden is not long - about 30 foot. Mature trees at the end of it will make a huge difference when you look out the window . You mentioned higgledy piggeldy angles - would the council have scale maps in planning of the proposals and of the approved final layouts - that is what you will see rom your window and what they will see into yours.

    Do you work from home? Will covid 19 change that? Will one of the front sunny South facing bedrooms now be an office where you will get the sun all day as tou work - that would be nice!

    My north facing front of house gets the evening sun and it is lovely - from about 7pm or 730 when it dissappears directly from the south facing back. Id usually lie in the garden all afternoon amd have dinner out there and retire inside to the sun filled north facing room for a coffee - relaxing way to live! Of course summer sun is out longer and higher so it shines in longer. In winter during the afternoon you’ll have the lights on from 4 anyway and have lovely trees outside to look at rather than curtains and bedroom windows with crooked blinds and bedraggeled people showering.

    Good luck with it.
    Not having noisy neighbours or bad blood because of shift working/ noghttime tv/ catroons at 0700 am in Saturday morning/ screaming lids etc is worth any investment imo.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,903 ✭✭✭appledrop


    So that's means that your garden in detached house is much more private.

    I can't tell you what a bonus it would be in a new housing estate to have established trees.

    It can take a long time to get this which means in intervening years you are usually totally overlooked not just back but also at sides depending on as I mentioned the site if you go for semi detached house.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Best Garden all the way, no question.

    No to north facing back. Been there done that, never again.

    And the thoughts of big trees are making it worse.

    I had big trees in a north facing garden. Disaster.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭JustAThought


    anewme wrote: »
    Best Garden all the way, no question.

    No to north facing back. Been there done that, never again.

    And the thoughts of big trees are making it worse.

    I had big trees in a north facing garden. Disaster.

    Why type of trees? There is a big difference between a eucylaptus or betula or willow or ash versus a 30 year old Laylandi so hideous and hated they leglislate against them in the Uk.


  • Registered Users Posts: 856 ✭✭✭gk5000


    OP, it does not matter what everbody else thinks, its you has to live in it.
    Use the sun calculator apps to see where will be bright and shaded throughout the year, and visit some friends houses at different times of day.
    Dark = depressing for me..there is no substitute for sunlight/daylight.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Why type of trees? There is a big difference between a eucylaptus or betula or willow or ash versus a 30 year old Laylandi so hideous and hated they leglislate against them in the Uk.

    Not leylandi, just normal types of Irish trees.

    The recipe of big trees and north facing back garden was just a disaster. And that garden was fairly big- certainly 60 ft plus.
    I also feel that those type of trees are too big for a 30 ft suburban garden with their height and spread.

    Lad opposite me here planted a tree in his front garden when we moved in 12 years ago. Thing is now the height of the house.


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