US carries out first Federal Execution since 2003

Gael23

The killing continues. The US has put another of its citzens to death
https://www.wsj.com/articles/supreme-court-clears-way-for-first-federal-execution-since-2003-11594709847

biko

His name was Daniel Lewis Lee
The condemned prisoner had argued that lethal injections constitute "cruel and unusual punishments".
But the Supreme Court voted 5-4 that "executions may proceed as planned".

Lee was convicted of torturing and killing a family of three in Arkansas in 1996, dumping their bodies in a lake.

Mr. Karate

biko wrote: »

His name was Daniel Lewis Lee
The condemned prisoner had argued that lethal injections constitute "cruel and unusual punishments".
But the Supreme Court voted 5-4 that "executions may proceed as planned".

Lee was convicted of torturing and killing a family of three in Arkansas in 1996, dumping their bodies in a lake.

I don't see a problem here. The Left keeps crying about overcrowded jails and our "industrial prison complex", but will turn around and keep **** like this alive.

TheValeyard

Mr. Karate wrote: »

I don't see a problem here. The Left keeps crying about overcrowded jails and our "industrial prison complex", but will turn around and keep **** like this alive.

I do see it as a problem. I do not see capital punishment as any real deterant to crime.

TheValeyard

TheValeyard wrote: »

I do see it as a problem. I do not see capital punishment as any real deterant to crime.

Neither is prison.

Capital punishment is punishment. That's it.

Mr. Karate wrote: »

I don't see a problem here. The Left keeps crying about overcrowded jails and our "industrial prison complex", but will turn around and keep **** like this alive.

Ditto. I have no issue with this. I'd be in favor of capital punishment for violent offenders with multiple separate convictions. It's obvious that such people don't want to reform. Just end it.

juice1304

He murdered children and decapitated the family and threw their heads in a buoy, good riddance. All the convicts they have put to death have murdered children.
What's the issue? You think they deserve to live? You dont think they would also be preditors in prison potentially harming more people of lesser crimes if they were left in the general population?

TheValeyard

I think capital punishment lowers us to their level. It's not a sign of an advanced society.

TuringBot47

TheValeyard wrote: »

I do not see capital punishment as any real deterant to crime.

Maybe, but it sure cuts down on re-offending.

salmocab

juice1304 wrote: »

He murdered children and decapitated the family and threw their heads in a buoy, good riddance. All the convicts they have put to death have murdered children.
What's the issue? You think they deserve to live? You dont think they would also be preditors in prison potentially harming more people of lesser crimes if they were left in the general population?

Whilst personally I think the world is better without this guy and I have no sympathy for him (assuming what’s been said here is accurate) I think the death sentence is not something countries should have at their disposal. The possibility of killing one innocent person outweighs the killing rather than incarcerating of any number of murderers in my opinion.

Nermal

TheValeyard wrote: »

I think capital punishment lowers us to their level. It's not a sign of an advanced society.

It doesn't, this man was not tortured or murdered. He was killed dispassionately and justly. There is nothing 'primitive' about the death penalty.

Nermal

Nermal wrote: »

It doesn't, this man was not tortured or murdered. He was killed dispassionately and justly. There is nothing 'primitive' about the death penalty.

It doesn't matter. Some people want to show how enlightened they are, as opposed to providing real solutions for the worst type of offenders. Objections will be made about the possibility of the innocent being killed... and they won't accept capital punishment in any shape or form.. Which leaves prison time, and they'll ignore that prisons overflow, and criminals get released early, or judges give light sentencing due to the overcrowding prisons.

Prisons are a mechanism to defer dealing with the problem at hand... but that's someone elses problem to deal with (or not, as the case might be).

TuringBot47

TheValeyard wrote: »

I think capital punishment lowers us to their level. It's not a sign of an advanced society.

We aren't an advanced society, by any means.
I'd say we're hundreds of years away from that, at least.


Certain psychiatric issues might need genetic correction.
Maybe even giving people a psychological NCT every year, advanced "brain scans" to detect abhorrent thought patterns... a totalitarian surveillance state to monitor the health and well being of everyone.


So this age of complete freedom is practical anarchy on the street level.
There's just a thin veneer of population control with police.

Gael23

I think life meaning that you never see the light of day again is a better punishment than death. At least a death as peaceful as this guy got. If he was put in the gas chamber or something that might be different

Gatling

Gael23 wrote: »

The killing continues. The US has put another of its citzens to death
https://www.wsj.com/articles/supreme-court-clears-way-for-first-federal-execution-since-2003-11594709847

Come back when figure how many Chinese people have been executed for pretty minor crimes

bmc58

Gael23 wrote: »

The killing continues. The US has put another of its citzens to death
https://www.wsj.com/articles/supreme-court-clears-way-for-first-federal-execution-since-2003-11594709847

He deserved to die for his crimes.End of.

osarusan

I'm against the death penalty in all situations. It has nothing to do with rehabilitation, or the potential for innocence.

i just believe that a government shouldn't have the power to take the life of its citizens/residents, no matter what they have done.

Skylinehead

Deleted User wrote: »

Objections will be made about the possibility of the innocent being killed...

Well, yeah. It's a pretty huge issue, obviously.

StinkyMunkey

I believe in capital punishment for the type of crimes he committed. If it was my family I'd ask to trip the switch.

I'm not really a fan of torture, so I do believe a quick death is called for.

Hopefully they sort out their problems regarding the lethal injection and send him on his way.

Gatling

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Hopefully they sort out their problems regarding the lethal injection and send him on his way.

A firing squad would be quick ,humane and a hell of a lot cheaper too

StinkyMunkey

Gatling wrote: »

A firing squad would be quick ,humane and a hell of a lot cheaper too

It's nasty business regardless of the way it's performed, but it's a necessary evil imo.

Skylinehead

Skylinehead wrote: »

Well, yeah. It's a pretty huge issue, obviously.

Which is why I said repeat offenders. Narrows down the chance dramatically.

Queasy Tadpole

Gael23 wrote: »

I think life meaning that you never see the light of day again is a better punishment than death. At least a death as peaceful as this guy got. If he was put in the gas chamber or something that might be different

Last I read on lethal injection it's insanely painful. They essentially render you paralyzed and then inject a chemical into you that causes a sensation of your entire body being on fire until you eventually stop breathing. It's messed up.

I'm against the death penalty but if they are going to do it, it should be quick and painless yet most Americans want the condemned to suffer.

Should be outlawed worldwide.

Skylinehead

Deleted User wrote: »

Which is why I said repeat offenders. Narrows down the chance dramatically.

Repeat mass murderers, or just crime in general before the one that "justifies" the death penalty? Because I don't want mass murderers getting out of jail to reoffend in the first place.

Mr. Karate

TheValeyard wrote: »

I think capital punishment lowers us to their level. It's not a sign of an advanced society.

The softy approach here hasn't done a blessed thing to deter crime. Maybe there are times when we need to get medieval.

Mr. Karate

Queasy Tadpole wrote: »

Last I read on lethal injection it's insanely painful.

Considering these assholes took a life [or lives] in the most violent way possible you won't see me losing sleep or shedding a tear if the scumbags have to suffer a bit on the way out. Hell, bring back the electric chair and really make them suffer.

Mr. Karate

Gatling wrote: »

A firing squad would be quick ,humane and a hell of a lot cheaper too

Hell, mess with them for a bit by missing a few shots.

"Sorry about that shot lad. Good news though is you won't be needing them where you're going."

salmocab

Mr. Karate wrote: »

The softy approach here hasn't done a blessed thing to deter crime. Maybe there are times when we need to get medieval.

Was murder not around in medieval times? Murders have always happened and death sentences have never stopped them, America has a higher murder rate than plenty of countries that don’t have death sentences so it’s obviously doing absolutely nothing to deter people. You can be for death sentences as a punishment but as a deterrent there’s nothing to suggest it works.

Mr. Karate

salmocab wrote: »

Was murder not around in medieval times? Murders have always happened and death sentences have never stopped them, America has a higher murder rate than plenty of countries that don’t have death sentences so it’s obviously doing absolutely nothing to deter people. You can be for death sentences as a punishment but as a deterrent there’s nothing to suggest it works.

And there's nothing to suggest that the softy approach here has worked. Just a revolving door of repeat offenders. There will always be bad [and downright evil] people in this world. The key to a peaceful society is to keep the number of bad to a minimum.

TuringBot47

TuringBot47 wrote: »

Maybe, but it sure cuts down on re-offending.

It also results in innocent people being executed which is not something you can turn the clock back. Around 4% of defendant are potentially innocent of the crimes they're being executed for. So it's a necessarily evil to kill some innocent people on top of the guilty people?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/28/death-penalty-study-4-percent-defendants-innocent

Skylinehead

Skylinehead wrote: »

Repeat mass murderers, or just crime in general before the one that "justifies" the death penalty? Because I don't want mass murderers getting out of jail to reoffend in the first place.

now you're shifting goalposts... justifies... a different situation entirely. Which is the point, isn't it?

Rather than deal with what I said, you introduce justifications and mass murderers. Perhaps keep to what I talked about?

Galwayguy35

Gael23 wrote: »

The killing continues. The US has put another of its citzens to death
https://www.wsj.com/articles/supreme-court-clears-way-for-first-federal-execution-since-2003-11594709847

How are we supposed to read the article when its behind a paywall?

Fortunately some posters here have informed us that he was a child killer so society is better off with him gone.

Skylinehead

Deleted User wrote: »

now you're shifting goalposts... justifies... a different situation entirely. Which is the point, isn't it?

Rather than deal with what I said, you introduce justifications and mass murderers. Perhaps keep to what I talked about?

How is trying to ascertain details regarding "repeat offenders", which you mentioned, shifting the goalposts?

Mr. Karate

osarusan wrote: »

I'm against the death penalty in all situations. It has nothing to do with rehabilitation, or the potential for innocence.

i just believe that a government shouldn't have the power to take the life of its citizens/residents, no matter what they have done.

I have no problem with an appeal. Unless the crime is so extreme and the evidence in indisputable. After that appeal you better have some actual evidence for another one.

Chris_Heilong

So a sadistic murder is put to sleep(If the PC brigade can use misleading language on subjects so can I), Good, someone like this has already committed the ultimate crime and needs to be removed from society as they are too much of a risk.

salmocab

Mr. Karate wrote: »

And there's nothing to suggest that the softy approach here has worked. Just a revolving door of repeat offenders. There will always be bad [and downright evil] people in this world. The key to a peaceful society is to keep the number of bad to a minimum.

You suggested going medieval I pointed out that it didn’t work, I didn’t say revolving door of offenders works which isn’t really the same anyway as I doubt there are too many people who are jailed for murder who get out and offend again as in general their sentences are quite long even then that wouldn’t be a revolving door. Neither method works but there isn’t just two options.

Macdarack

The only annoying thing here is that it took 21 years for this waste of space to be killed off, how much did it cost to keep this f€€ker alive. 100s of thousands.
Oh and giving this guy a peaceful death is nothing on the level of what he did to that family how dare who ever said it was.

Pkiernan

Lefties gotta left


Good riddance to these animals. Id love to see it here in Eire.

TuringBot47

Showing compassion to those who don't deserve it or acknowledge their guilt is the ultimate sign of weakness.

If we were all pacifists then the Nazis would've won World War II.
Killing/force is required to cleanse the weeds of human society.

In fact, I'd argue corporal punishment is required for lower level crime... criminals only respect pain and fear... not a comfy prison cell with TV, gym equipment and playing drop the soap with their pals.

Gael23

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

How are we supposed to read the article when its behind a paywall?

Fortunately some posters here have informed us that he was a child killer so society is better off with him gone.

Is death a better punishment than a life sentence meaning you never see the light of day again.

Galwayguy35

Gael23 wrote: »

Is death a better punishment than a life sentence meaning you never see the light of day again.

Whats the point in keeping a creature like that alive, feeding him and looking after his health needs for a few decades more?

Pkiernan

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Whats the point in keeping a creature like that alive, feeding him and looking after his health needs for a few decades more?

It pacifies the lefty douchebags!

walshb

TheValeyard wrote: »

I do see it as a problem. I do not see capital punishment as any real deterant to crime.

We can’t prove if it deters crime or does not...It’s too subjective and complexed.

Humans will always kill. Some years will see more homicides than others...

It’s just another punishment. One I have no issue with..

What does, or should deter crime are far tougher sentences for criminals for certain types crimes..in Ireland we don’t impose these sentences at all..

The U.S. is a whole other ball game. Millions of more people, states, laws, ethnicities etc..

Yurt2

Pkiernan wrote: »

Lefties gotta left


Good riddance to these animals. Id love to see it here in Eire.

Do you seriously go around calling the country Eire? Are you a Tory MP from the 1950s?

Mr. Karate

Mr. Karate wrote: »

I don't see a problem here. The Left keeps crying about overcrowded jails and our "industrial prison complex", but will turn around and keep **** like this alive.

'The left' want non-violent drug offenders released. i.e people serving donkey years for having a bit of weed.

That would free up plenty of space.

Zebra3

Mr. Karate wrote: »

I don't see a problem here. The Left keeps crying about overcrowded jails and our "industrial prison complex", but will turn around and keep **** like this alive.

And The Right moans about killers while lauding those Americans who carry out killings against poor brown skinned people in the Middle East.

Are people on here who support the death penalty old enough to remember the Birmingham Six?

Pkiernan

Yurt! wrote: »

Do you seriously go around calling the country Eire? Are you a Tory MP from the 1950s?

I'm sorry you cant speak your own native tongue.

Interesting how the ultra left try to deflect sensible conversation and debate too.

Brian?

Mr. Karate wrote: »

And there's nothing to suggest that the softy approach here has worked. Just a revolving door of repeat offenders. There will always be bad [and downright evil] people in this world. The key to a peaceful society is to keep the number of bad to a minimum.

Actually there’s plenty of evidence that the criminal justice system here is better that the US.

One statistic, murder rate per 100,000:
US=5.3
Ireland=0.9

That took me about 20 seconds to find. It’s crystal clear that the death penalty isn’t a deterrent.

On your “evil people” hypothesis, the number of irredeemably evil people is so small it’s statistically insignificant. Most murderers are a product of environment and not born that way. Even with psychopaths, the majority function well as part of society without ever becoming murderers.

Crime is a social problem, punishment doesn’t solve it.

Ush1

Most states have now got rid of the death penalty or it's almost never used.

I don't agree with it because it's extremely expensive(capital trials and appeals processes are the most costly to the state, not to mention special housing and carrying out the execution itself), so much so that states have gone bankrupt from the death penalty.

It's also not a deterrent, states with the death penalty have the highest rated of violent crime and then the possibility of executing an innocent person, which although now is unlikely, still has happened.

Yurt2

Pkiernan wrote: »

I'm sorry you cant speak your own native tongue.

Interesting how the ultra left try to deflect sensible conversation and debate too.

Yes. Ultra-left, that's me *thumbs up champ* All power to the Soviets and all that.

Try to call the country Eire at the water cooler the next time and watch as people laugh at you. As I said, the only people who refer to it as that are mustached Sandhurst types and pensioned-off Tories.

joseywhales

Brian? wrote: »

Actually there’s plenty of evidence that the criminal justice system here is better that the US.

One statistic, murder rate per 100,000:
US=5.3
Ireland=0.9

That took me about 20 seconds to find. It’s crystal clear that the death penalty isn’t a deterrent.

On your “evil people” hypothesis, the number of irredeemably evil people is so small it’s statistically insignificant. Most murderers are a product of environment and not born that way. Even with psychopaths, the majority function well as part of society without ever becoming murderers.

Crime is a social problem, punishment doesn’t solve it.

Not to mention the ridiculously subjective judgement of what constitutes 'irredeemably evil' and what perfect incorruptible human should wield that power.