Houthis are ethnically cleansing the last Yemeni Jews.

ILoveYourVibes

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/middle-east/1594648021-report-houthis-arrest-yemen-s-last-remaining-jews-in-a-bid-to-ethnically-cleanse-the-country?fbclid=IwAR0pI_fhekNoUX-Ej3tc0ha08Zp5TsmNOh60UUlvCbo9v1WJhEyblX80QyE

There used to be thousands of Yemeni Jews now very few. Now for the second time in 70 yrs they are being ethnically cleansed killed and harassed.

They have put jews under house arrest. They have cut off water electricity to jewish areas and towns they have stopped food deliveries.

The last time there was a big anti semitic push in yemen was the 50s and 60s. Many were forced to leave and arrived in Israel on foot with nothing.

The Houthis are a pro Iran shia group.

Their flag is basically hate speech it says 'Death to America Death to Israel Curse the Jews'.

Now they have stated they want to rid Yemen of Jews totally.

Yemeni jews have a rich culture and have been there thousands of years. They are peaceful and gentle. They are Yemeni they speak Arabic ..they are arab jews.



Houthis force them to hand over their land and property to houthi leaders. They have to leave ..but just like the last time ...they are not allowed take anything with them.

coinop

This is why Israel needs to exist. Interested to hear what the resident PBP/Shinnerbots have to say but they'll probably ignore it.

biko

Unfortunately ME countries that have housed Jews for thousands of years have already or are now cleansing them, it's not just Yemen.
Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Saudi etc

paw patrol

coinop wrote: »

This is why Israel needs to exist. Interested to hear what the resident PBP/Shinnerbots have to say but they'll probably ignore it.

I'm afraid I'm not a PBP/Shinnerbot but I wouldnt be a fan of israel's behavior.
Israel has chosen to ally themselves with Saudi Arabia who have massacred the Houthi civilian population (with UK/USA weapons too).


It mightn't be fair or right but it's understandable when the Houthi's mistrust the Jews. Its easy for us to judge when we aren't being bombed to death repeatedly.

ckerryman

Interesting how so many Majority muslin areas of the World, once had large Jewish and Christian Minorities, but today, they only enough left to fit into Phone boxes.
Remind me again about “the religion of peace”

Do not worry, Europe will do find........for 20 or 30 years at least.

dvdman1

paw patrol wrote: »

I'm afraid I'm not a PBP/Shinnerbot but I wouldnt be a fan of israel's behavior.
Israel has chosen to ally themselves with Saudi Arabia who have massacred the Houthi civilian population (with UK/USA weapons too).


It mightn't be fair or right but it's understandable when the Houthi's mistrust the Jews. Its easy for us to judge when we aren't being bombed to death repeatedly.

There are no good state characters or groups in this part of the world... best not to align our sympathies or support with a particular side.

paw patrol

paw patrol wrote: »

It mightn't be fair or right but it's understandable when the Houthi's mistrust the Jews. Its easy for us to judge when we aren't being bombed to death repeatedly.

I'm not terribly up to date with this, but where has Israel been bombing the Houthi to death repeatedly? Apart from dealing with attacks by the Houthi? no?

I looked at the background, and noticed the involvement of almost every other nation in the region, other than Israel.

edit. I see the supplying of war material, and training of foreign troops, but no mention of direct use of Israeli military forces.. So... ?

biko

I think this is the real reason:

The Houthis allegedly forced the Jewish residents of the Kharif District to sell their "homes, land and all their properties to Houthi leaders."

Jews have stuff
No-one is going to protect them
Easy targets

jmayo

Unfortunately the plight of Jews and Christians in Middle Eastern muslims state matter little to those that are forever fighting on behalf of "the oppressed".

To these social justice warriors it is seen as payback for some past sins done by someone somewhere sometime.

Wibbs

dvdman1 wrote: »

There are no good state characters or groups in this part of the world... best not to align our sympathies or support with a particular side.

This. I have ME fatigue at this stage. I see stories like this and think with more than a hint of resignation here we go again.

super_furry

coinop wrote: »

This is why Israel needs to exist. Interested to hear what the resident PBP/Shinnerbots have to say but they'll probably ignore it.

So we have a thread explaining the plight of a group of Jewish people in Yemen and the first reply to it is 'how dare anyone ever criticise Israel'.

Why are you changing the subject coinop? What do you think about the plight of the Yemeni Jews? What can be done to help them? Surely it's a topic that deserves a deeper input than you howling at People Before Profit or all groups.

utyh2ikcq9z76b

coinop wrote: »

This is why Israel needs to exist. Interested to hear what the resident PBP/Shinnerbots have to say but they'll probably ignore it.

Jews being persecuted somewhere does not justify the apartheid state of Israel.

Melanchthon

Esme Dry Sidewalk wrote: »

Islam is all about conquering. About killing Jews and non Muslims. Their holy book is full of it. It's a disgusting religion, like most religion. But Islam is particularly nasty. And we're now their holding a festival in croke park. As non Muslims we can't visit mecca or medina.

But these Jewish groups have been in the region for 1000's of years under Islamic rule so it's not just about Islam in general

utyh2ikcq9z76b

Esme Dry Sidewalk wrote: »

Islam is all about conquering. About killing Jews and non Muslims. Their holy book is full of it. It's a disgusting religion, like most religion. But Islam is particularly nasty. And we're now their holding a festival in croke park. As non Muslims we can't visit mecca or medina.

That's way the west has been invading and bombing it back to the stone age & Israel is a apartheid colonial project. But it's the Muslims who are the problem, frigging terrorists fighting back against their western saviours bringing them democracy /s

paw patrol

dvdman1 wrote: »

There are no good state characters or groups in this part of the world... best not to align our sympathies or support with a particular side.

I do have issues with Israels land grabs and killing of civilians but as a general principal I think you make a fair point.

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not terribly up to date with this, but where has Israel been bombing the Houthi to death repeatedly? Apart from dealing with attacks by the Houthi? no?

I looked at the background, and noticed the involvement of almost every other nation in the region, other than Israel.

edit. I see the supplying of war material, and training of foreign troops, but no mention of direct use of Israeli military forces.. So... ?

You aren't wrong , but they are allies of the Saudi's . Many political allies of Israel are in the weapons game in the US and UK - they are selling the gear to Saudi.



I'm not saying any of this is morally correct but that war caused a famine that afflicted the houthis greatly due to saudi' blockades/ sanctions etc... just pointing out , they have a grievance .
We can argue the toss about it from 1000s of miles away but they'll act as they see it on the ground.

paw patrol

paw patrol wrote: »

You aren't wrong , but they are allies of the Saudi's . Many political allies of Israel are in the weapons game in the US and UK - they are selling the gear to Saudi.

I'm not even remotely a supporter of Israel... TBH I rarely get involved in such discussions because there is so much bias, and very little attempt by posters to be neutral. The post I responded to made the claim of Israel bombing the Houthis as justification for their behavior..

The problem is that each case, we can step backwards and find some justification for either party. It's just that those who like to complain about Israel, don't like admitting that Israel has responded to aggression, as much as, they've been the one performing the aggression.

I'm not saying any of this is morally correct but that war caused a famine that afflicted the houthis greatly due to saudi' blockades/ sanctions etc... just pointing out , they have a grievance .

You're still justifying the reaction by the Houthis. All the parties involved have a grievance.

We can argue the toss about it from 1000s of miles away but they'll act as they see it on the ground.

Of course they will... and people 1000s of miles away will find excuses and reasons that probably don't match the reasons that the people directly involved have. I spent some time looking at the propaganda and slogans by the Houthis.. I find it amazing that people would seek to defend them, but then, I tend to feel the same about Israel. No group or nation is innocent in any kind of war that happens in the M.East.

What the Houthis are doing is terrible. It's really that simple.

seamus

coinop wrote: »

This is why Israel needs to exist. Interested to hear what the resident PBP/Shinnerbots have to say but they'll probably ignore it.

The existence of Israel doesn't seem to be of much help to the Yemeni Jews.

AbusesToilets

Wibbs wrote: »

This. I have ME fatigue at this stage. I see stories like this and think with more than a hint of resignation here we go again.

The sooner we can fully move past oil as a basis for energy generation, and leave this region to its devices the better. So many terrible regimes propped up by oil revenue.

biko

Slogan of the Houthi movement is:

God is great
Death to America
Death to Israel
God curse the Jews
Victory to Islam

An interesting background on the conflict, it's not a black or white as one may think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_KGSO0MBcc

AbusesToilets

AbusesToilets wrote: »

The sooner we can fully move past oil as a basis for energy generation, and leave this region to its devices the better. So many terrible regimes propped up by oil revenue.

It's not just oil though. It's tourism, or intercontinental transportation links. Most mass produced items manufactured in China will pass through the M.East on its way to Europe. They've got some of the biggest ports and airports in the world. Oil being removed as an important resource isn't going to change the strategic importance of the M.East.

The biggest mistake we could do would be to leave them to their own devices, because fundamental Islam is set directly against Western values. Westerners tend to think that just because they've lost the power of religion, everywhere else has too. The M.East will always be a threat to Europe, as long as they have a reason to head our direction... and Islam provides that reason..

At the same time, we shouldn't be directly involved the way the US was. No boots on the ground. That's just idiotic.

Poor_old_gill

Daniella Young Spark wrote: »

That's why the west has been invading and bombing it back to the stone age & Israel is a apartheid colonial project. But it's the Muslims who are the problem, frigging terrorists fighting back against their western saviours bringing them democracy /s

It's not an apartheid state though - Arab Israelis can, and do, vote.

riffmongous

Sad to read about on top of everything else going on in Yemen. A very ancient community I think. There needs to be a proper push for peace in that area, rather than just letting the Iranian/Saudi dick measuring contest play out over thousands of Yemeni dead and millions displaced

riffmongous

jmayo wrote: »

Unfortunately the plight of Jews and Christians in Middle Eastern muslims state matter little to those that are forever fighting on behalf of "the oppressed".

To these social justice warriors it is seen as payback for some past sins done by someone somewhere sometime.

You don't care either, just another so-called Christian without an actual Christian bone in his body, just using the religion when it suits to justify his own sh*tty prejudices and whinge about sjws

riffmongous

AbusesToilets wrote: »

The sooner we can fully move past oil as a basis for energy generation, and leave this region to its devices the better. So many terrible regimes propped up by oil revenue.

Not going to happen unfortunately, have you noticed the massive push from the Gulf States in the last few years to diversify and legitimise themselves through sports funding and property investment?

utyh2ikcq9z76b

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

It's not an apartheid state though - Arab Israelis can, and do, vote.

But it is an Apartheid state
https://bdsmovement.net/tags/apartheid

https://bdsmovement.net/news/israels-system-apartheid-laws

Feisar

AbusesToilets wrote: »

The sooner we can fully move past oil as a basis for energy generation, and leave this region to its devices the better. So many terrible regimes propped up by oil revenue.

However all that oil money isn't going to disappear with the oil. They will still be insanely rich and able to invest in the next big thing.

Poor_old_gill

Daniella Young Spark wrote: »

But it is an Apartheid state
https://bdsmovement.net/tags/apartheid

https://bdsmovement.net/news/israels-system-apartheid-laws

Realistically you need to provide evidence from a website that is not 100% anti-Israel.

It's like formulating your opinion on Dubs exclusively from the 'People's Republic of Cork' forum.

Are you as worried about the Kurds in North Syria/South Turkey? Are you boycotting Turkey?

riffmongous

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Realistically you need to provide evidence from a website that is not 100% anti-Israel.

It's like formulating your opinion on Dubs exclusively from the 'People's Republic of Cork' forum.

Are you as worried about the Kurds in North Syria/South Turkey? Are you boycotting Turkey?

In fairness the report in the OP isn't too clear on its sources either, just something Egyptian who are also finding on the anti-houthi side

Feisar

Feisar wrote: »

However all that oil money isn't going to disappear with the oil. They will still be insanely rich and able to invest in the next big thing.

Not really. They're going through their reserves at the moment due to the drop in prices, and the effects of covid. Their lifestyles have been established for a long time, and they haven't done well in their diversification efforts... there was a lot of wastage. Many of the gulf states are doing really bad economically these days

Feisar

Deleted User wrote: »

Not really. They're going through their reserves at the moment due to the drop in prices, and the effects of covid. Their lifestyles have been established for a long time, and they haven't done well in their diversification efforts... there was a lot of wastage. Many of the gulf states are doing really bad economically these days

I'm honestly shocked. Surely they knew the gravy (oil) train wasn't going to last forever? A few gold plated Ferrari's aside surely they are well positioned?

mouldybiscuits

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's not just oil though. It's tourism, or intercontinental transportation links. Most mass produced items manufactured in China will pass through the M.East on its way to Europe. They've got some of the biggest ports and airports in the world. Oil being removed as an important resource isn't going to change the strategic importance of the M.East.

The biggest mistake we could do would be to leave them to their own devices, because fundamental Islam is set directly against Western values. Westerners tend to think that just because they've lost the power of religion, everywhere else has too. The M.East will always be a threat to Europe, as long as they have a reason to head our direction... and Islam provides that reason..

At the same time, we shouldn't be directly involved the way the US was. No boots on the ground. That's just idiotic.

Who are we to say that our culture is right though? Our cultures evolved independently and are very different but from an outside view we can't say that our culture is good and their culture is bad as we were brought up in our Western culture. Every country should have a right in how their country is run.
Absolutely there should not be foreign armies in The Middle East. Oil and arms deals are the only reasons that even happens. The people profiting from these proxy wars should be jailed.

mouldybiscuits

mouldybiscuits wrote: »

Who are we to say that our culture is right though?

Seriously? That's a creepy sentence. It's right for our nations. It's not right to impose it on others. If they want it, they'll adopt it for themselves.

Our cultures evolved independently and are very different but from an outside view we can't say that our culture is good and their culture is bad as we were brought up in our Western culture. Every country should have a right in how their country is run.

Lovely. Since I didn't suggest anything even remotely related to that.

Absolutely there should not be foreign armies in The Middle East. Oil and arms deals are the only reasons that even happens. The people profiting from these proxy wars should be jailed.

The West was involved in the M.East before oil, or weapon sales became a thing.

Feisar

Feisar wrote: »

I'm honestly shocked. Surely they knew the gravy (oil) train wasn't going to last forever? A few gold plated Ferrari's aside surely they are well positioned?

This should start you off.

biko

Is there a law that any thread about Jews inevitable draws in the Israel/Palestine conflict?
Like Godwin's law or something?

It seems clear the slogan of the Houthi movement applies to more than the Houthis
Death to Israel
God curse the Jews

utyh2ikcq9z76b

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Realistically you need to provide evidence from a website that is not 100% anti-Israel.

It's like formulating your opinion on Dubs exclusively from the 'People's Republic of Cork' forum.

Are you as worried about the Kurds in North Syria/South Turkey? Are you boycotting Turkey?

How about Israel's longest running newspaper?
https://www.haaretz.com/it-s-time-to-admit-it-israeli-policy-is-what-it-is-apartheid-1.5387843

MidlanderMan

biko wrote: »

Unfortunately ME countries that have housed Jews for thousands of years have already or are now cleansing them, it's not just Yemen.
Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Saudi etc

What's happening in Yemen and what happened in Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, The rest of the Arab peninsula and North Africa in the first 60-70 years of the last century is disgusting.
But you can't really lump Iran in there, before or after the Islamic Revolution.

Jews in Iran are a recognised protected ethnic minority, as are the various Christian groups and have protected seats in national and regional parliaments. There are monuments to Jewish hero's of the Iran -Iraq war around the city. Synagogues around the city even have a quote from Ruhollah Khomeini from 1979 painted on them which stresses that Iranian Jews should never conflated with the state of Israel and Judaism should be accepted as part of Iran.

Over 12,000 Jewish Iranians live on Tehran alone and a few thousand more in other large cities.
They own businesses, have their own schools, supermarkets and even run the longest running charitable hospital (which provides amazing services to some of the poorest people in the city regardless of their ethnicity or religion).

There are issues, they can't hold certain high ranking government or military jobs for example. Another issue being that the legal right for Iranian Jews to observe the Sabbath and work from home on Saturdays can sometimes be an issue with gaining employment as employers will sometimes higher someone else rather than lose a worker for a day every week.

However, unlike many European countries where right wing nationalists have been very actively attacking Jewish places of worship, Jewish businesses and religious buildings have no need for security.

Iran is one of the safest countries on the planet for toursits and ethnic minorities alike. Go to Tehran, visit some Christian and Jewish shops and restaurants, the restaurants run by members of the Jewish and Armenian Christian communities are some of the only places that can legally produce and consume alcohol in the country and they make very nice wines and low abv beers.

MidlanderMan

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

It's not an apartheid state though - Arab Israelis can, and do, vote.

There are dozens of laws that limit where they can live, build, go to school, make a career, or marry.

Pull the other one.


And that's not even including the hundreds of apartheid laws applied to Palestinians living under 5 decades of illegal occupation and military rule.

political analyst

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/middle-east/1594648021-report-houthis-arrest-yemen-s-last-remaining-jews-in-a-bid-to-ethnically-cleanse-the-country?fbclid=IwAR0pI_fhekNoUX-Ej3tc0ha08Zp5TsmNOh60UUlvCbo9v1WJhEyblX80QyE

There used to be thousands of Yemeni Jews now very few. Now for the second time in 70 yrs they are being ethnically cleansed killed and harassed.

They have put jews under house arrest. They have cut off water electricity to jewish areas and towns they have stopped food deliveries.

The last time there was a big anti semitic push in yemen was the 50s and 60s. Many were forced to leave and arrived in Israel on foot with nothing.

The Houthis are a pro Iran shia group.

Their flag is basically hate speech it says 'Death to America Death to Israel Curse the Jews'.

Now they have stated they want to rid Yemen of Jews totally.

Yemeni jews have a rich culture and have been there thousands of years. They are peaceful and gentle. They are Yemeni they speak Arabic ..they are arab jews.



Houthis force them to hand over their land and property to houthi leaders. They have to leave ..but just like the last time ...they are not allowed take anything with them.

Why does '404' appear on the screen when that link is clicked?

biko

MidlanderMan wrote: »

Iran is one of the safest countries on the planet for toursits and ethnic minorities alike. Go to Tehran, visit some Christian and Jewish shops and restaurants, the restaurants run by members of the Jewish and Armenian Christian communities are some of the only places that can legally produce and consume alcohol in the country and they make very nice wines and low abv beers.

Iran has the second largest Jewish population in ME, outside Israel itself.
There are 15K? Persian Jews in Iran as opposed to during the Shah when there were maybe 80K
Iran also helped protect its Jews from the Nazis during the 2nd WW.
When Israel formed Iran helped Jews move there.
I think they as Persians shared with the Israelis a commonality in that they are not Arab.

Now Israel is enemy #1 and Persian Jews were trial in 2000 accused of illegal contact with Israel, conspiracy to form an illegal organization and recruiting agents, which provoked vandalism and boycotts of Jewish businesses. “This was the largest wholesale attack against the Jewish community.”

At the moment there seems to be a pretty stable relationship between the Jews and the government. Long may it last.

jmayo

seamus wrote: »

The existence of Israel doesn't seem to be of much help to the Yemeni Jews.

Actually there would be a lot more Jews in Yemen facing this, but for Israel taking them in during the last century.

riffmongous wrote: »

You don't care either, just another so-called Christian without an actual Christian bone in his body, just using the religion when it suits to justify his own sh*tty prejudices and whinge about sjws

At least I am not two faced pretending to be all caring, but really your idea of caring boils down to caring about only one side.
You and your fellow believers seem to have an intense hatred of ones own culture, background, race, people for some reason.

Oh and even though raised Catholic I am not religious so you are kinda right I don't have a christian bone in my body.

ckerryman

AbusesToilets wrote: »

The sooner we can fully move past oil as a basis for energy generation, and leave this region to its devices the better. So many terrible regimes propped up by oil revenue.

We will use Oil for long time, it will get more expensive but it will be used.

ckerryman

mouldybiscuits wrote: »

Who are we to say that our culture is right though? Our cultures evolved independently and are very different but from an outside view we can't say that our culture is good and their culture is bad as we were brought up in our Western culture. Every country should have a right in how their country is run.
Absolutely there should not be foreign armies in The Middle East. Oil and arms deals are the only reasons that even happens. The people profiting from these proxy wars should be jailed.

It's people like you that is destroying the west today, with this crap.

The proof is simple, You didn't move to the ME, marry a local, send your children to the schools and all the while, you are wearing a huge Golden Crucifix around your neck.

ckerryman

MidlanderMan wrote: »

What's happening in Yemen and what happened in Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, The rest of the Arab peninsula and North Africa in the first 60-70 years of the last century is disgusting.
But you can't really lump Iran in there, before or after the Islamic Revolution.

Jews in Iran are a recognised protected ethnic minority, as are the various Christian groups and have protected seats in national and regional parliaments. There are monuments to Jewish hero's of the Iran -Iraq war around the city. Synagogues around the city even have a quote from Ruhollah Khomeini from 1979 painted on them which stresses that Iranian Jews should never conflated with the state of Israel and Judaism should be accepted as part of Iran.

Over 12,000 Jewish Iranians live on Tehran alone and a few thousand more in other large cities.
They own businesses, have their own schools, supermarkets and even run the longest running charitable hospital (which provides amazing services to some of the poorest people in the city regardless of their ethnicity or religion).

There are issues, they can't hold certain high ranking government or military jobs for example. Another issue being that the legal right for Iranian Jews to observe the Sabbath and work from home on Saturdays can sometimes be an issue with gaining employment as employers will sometimes higher someone else rather than lose a worker for a day every week.

However, unlike many European countries where right wing nationalists have been very actively attacking Jewish places of worship, Jewish businesses and religious buildings have no need for security.

Iran is one of the safest countries on the planet for toursits and ethnic minorities alike. Go to Tehran, visit some Christian and Jewish shops and restaurants, the restaurants run by members of the Jewish and Armenian Christian communities are some of the only places that can legally produce and consume alcohol in the country and they make very nice wines and low abv beers.

I once had a neighbor, who was an Iranian Christian, she escaped Iran, Raped and penniless.
You should tell her how mistaken she was about the place.

However, unlike many European countries where right wing nationalists have been very actively attacking Jewish places of worship, Jewish businesses and religious buildings have no need for security

When most people think of attacks on Jews in Europe, they don't blame "right wing nationalists"

AbusesToilets

biko wrote: »

Iran has the second largest Jewish population in ME, outside Israel itself.
There are 15K? Persian Jews in Iran as opposed to during the Shah when there were maybe 80K
Iran also helped protect its Jews from the Nazis during the 2nd WW.
When Israel formed Iran helped Jews move there.
I think they as Persians shared with the Israelis a commonality in that they are not Arab.

Now Israel is enemy #1 and Persian Jews were trial in 2000 accused of illegal contact with Israel, conspiracy to form an illegal organization and recruiting agents, which provoked vandalism and boycotts of Jewish businesses. “This was the largest wholesale attack against the Jewish community.”

At the moment there seems to be a pretty stable relationship between the Jews and the government. Long may it last.

The antagonism between Israel and Iran is tragic really. The Persian empire helped save Judaism from extinction. Cyrus the Great rebuilt the Temple in Jerusalem, and is honored in the Old Testament.