What bull for 20 month old Heifers

ChuckieEgg

Looking for easy calving bull to give to 20 month old Black LMX Heifers. I was thinking along the lines of an Angus such as kealkil prime or maybe an easy calving hereford.
Would these be a waste of time in a suckler system?

cacs

ChuckieEgg wrote: »

Looking for easy calving bull to give to 20 month old Black LMX Heifers. I was thinking along the lines of an Angus such as kealkil prime or maybe an easy calving hereford.
Would these be a waste of time in a suckler system?

It depends on there weight and strength. You could chance lm2014. Have had nice easy calf’s off him. Alternatively easy calfing angus of saler but I honestly don’t like them as calf’s. Would stabiliser be something to consider

mr.stonewall

ChuckieEgg wrote: »

Looking for easy calving bull to give to 20 month old Black LMX Heifers. I was thinking along the lines of an Angus such as kealkil prime or maybe an easy calving hereford.
Would these be a waste of time in a suckler system?

Aubrac maybe. Colour doesn't matter when they are hanging up

ChuckieEgg

ChuckieEgg wrote: »

Looking for easy calving bull to give to 20 month old Black LMX Heifers. I was thinking along the lines of an Angus such as kealkil prime or maybe an easy calving hereford.
Would these be a waste of time in a suckler system?

How many heifers have you?

Best suckler cow in my opnion is a solid angus British fr cross.
1. Plenty of milk
2. Calves often polled (say 50% or higher even)
3. Docile
4. Cheap to replace
5. Hardy
6. Low running cost
7. Rarely require calving assistance

At 20 months best option might be with the grass thrive this year to fatten them and buy a young dairy cross cow calf combo for say 1250

Take a look at the mart reports, no problem getting a cow calf combo for that kind of money

Hard Knocks

ChuckieEgg wrote: »

Looking for easy calving bull to give to 20 month old Black LMX Heifers. I was thinking along the lines of an Angus such as kealkil prime or maybe an easy calving hereford.
Would these be a waste of time in a suckler system?

If they’re 20 months now they’ll be calving at 29 months
A 29 month old should have by problem with most breeds of once hip & pelvis is right
What do you intend doing with the calves?
If you intend finishing then HE AA AU
If you are selling as weanlings or sell as incalf or with calves at foot then avoid these breeds and use a LM

Who2

Limousine all the way, a good share should come red and you’ve something saleable.

Mooooo

Do ye find HE can be hard on heifers, particularly if the heads come big, gives less of a chance for the heifer to open up?

Anto_Meath

Should agree with Who2, easy calving LM and there shouldn't be any issue, I have used Zag a fair bit on heifers and have to say I am very happy with him, handy enough calf, lively after birth so if the heifer is a bit stubborn after calving then the calf will be strong enough to master her. Plus you should have good cattle to see be it weanlings, stores or beef & any heifer calves should make good cows.

tanko

If you’re using Dovea i’d go with LM2014.

ChuckieEgg

mr.stonewall wrote: »

Aubrac maybe. Colour doesn't matter when they are hanging up

They seem like a good breed, calving difficulty is excellent. Problem is nobody knows much about them, and is there a market for them?

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How many heifers have you?

Hard Knocks wrote: »

If they’re 20 months now they’ll be calving at 29 months
A 29 month old should have by problem with most breeds of once hip & pelvis is right
What do you intend doing with the calves?
If you intend finishing then HE AA AU
If you are selling as weanlings or sell as incalf or with calves at foot then avoid these breeds and use a LM

20-22 for the Bull depending on one or two that are a bit giddy and need to calm down a bit or they'll be off to Burger king.
They are Black LIMX off British friesian so plenty of milk and not wild like suckler as these are bucket reared

I don't finish the cattle as my land isn't good enough. My system is typical suckler, selling the Weanlen straight off the cow into the ringside

tanko wrote: »

If you’re using Dovea i’d go with LM2014.

Got burnt with a stock limousine bull, I had 10 Whitehead cross Springers, 5 of them had to be C-sectioned last spring.

If profit wasn't an issue then it would be Angus just for the peace of mind at calving time with the added bonus of a polled calf. Surly the Beef X from a limo cow would produce a decent calf?
I'm not going for the Hereford as Moooo mentioned, they can bring a big head on heifers which I remember a few cases years ago.

Anyone using the Saler or are they too good to be true?

cacs

ChuckieEgg wrote: »

They seem like a good breed, calving difficulty is excellent. Problem is nobody knows much about them, and is there a market for them?





20-22 for the Bull depending on one or two that are a bit giddy and need to calm down a bit or they'll be off to Burger king.
They are Black LIMX off British friesian so plenty of milk and not wild like suckler as these are bucket reared

I don't finish the cattle as my land isn't good enough. My system is typical suckler, selling the Weanlen straight off the cow into the ringside



Got burnt with a stock limousine bull, I had 10 Whitehead cross Springers, 5 of them had to be C-sectioned last spring.

If profit wasn't an issue then it would be Angus just for the peace of mind at calving time with the added bonus of a polled calf. Surly the Beef X from a limo cow would produce a decent calf?
I'm not going for the Hereford as Moooo mentioned, they can bring a big head on heifers which I remember a few cases years ago.

Anyone using the Saler or are they too good to be true?

I always like to give a heifer an angus or two. Kill the angus heifers under 20 months. Butchers go made for them

ChuckieEgg

ChuckieEgg wrote: »

They seem like a good breed, calving difficulty is excellent. Problem is nobody knows much about them, and is there a market for them?





20-22 for the Bull depending on one or two that are a bit giddy and need to calm down a bit or they'll be off to Burger king.
They are Black LIMX off British friesian so plenty of milk and not wild like suckler as these are bucket reared

I don't finish the cattle as my land isn't good enough. My system is typical suckler, selling the Weanlen straight off the cow into the ringside



Got burnt with a stock limousine bull, I had 10 Whitehead cross Springers, 5 of them had to be C-sectioned last spring.

If profit wasn't an issue then it would be Angus just for the peace of mind at calving time with the added bonus of a polled calf. Surly the Beef X from a limo cow would produce a decent calf?
I'm not going for the Hereford as Moooo mentioned, they can bring a big head on heifers which I remember a few cases years ago.

Anyone using the Saler or are they too good to be true?

Black cows will have black calves generally, got a lm bull here on black cows and maybe 1/3 come red off him. With that in mind surely angus is the best option if you are going to the mart

Angus cattle do well on any land, also easy calving and hardy.

ChuckieEgg

cacs wrote: »

I always like to give a heifer an angus or two. Kill the angus heifers under 20 months. Butchers go made for them

Out of interest what weight would they be at 20 months (Both bulls and heifers)?

Donegalforever

ChuckieEgg wrote: »

They seem like a good breed, calving difficulty is excellent. Problem is nobody knows much about them, and is there a market for them?





20-22 for the Bull depending on one or two that are a bit giddy and need to calm down a bit or they'll be off to Burger king.
They are Black LIMX off British friesian so plenty of milk and not wild like suckler as these are bucket reared

I don't finish the cattle as my land isn't good enough. My system is typical suckler, selling the Weanlen straight off the cow into the ringside



Got burnt with a stock limousine bull, I had 10 Whitehead cross Springers, 5 of them had to be C-sectioned last spring.

If profit wasn't an issue then it would be Angus just for the peace of mind at calving time with the added bonus of a polled calf. Surly the Beef X from a limo cow would produce a decent calf?
I'm not going for the Hereford as Moooo mentioned, they can bring a big head on heifers which I remember a few cases years ago.

Anyone using the Saler or are they too good to be true?

I used Saler Bull Ulsan SA2189 from Dovea on a not very large heifer.
Calved unaided. Calve strong and lively after birth.
Good type of calf. If it had been a heifer I would have kept it for breeding.

Gods Gift

Calve heifers here at 23/24 months. Always to an angus. Never any problems. Horse rolled oats into them. Calves easy looked after and finish quicker. Smaller carcass and money though.