Farms and Cattle to be Graded for TB.

Buford T. Justice XIX

So expect a letter in the near future explaining the risks and what measures are suggested that you take to achieve or remain TB free status.

Each letter will flag individual animals in the herd which are at a higher risk of contracting the disease and will enable farmers to better manage their risk.

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/farms-and-cattle-to-be-graded-for-tb-557394

Mooooo

Will they do their fcuking part to fully compensate and find the wildlife sources of infection? Is there much more to the article not subscribed?

Buford T. Justice XIX

Mooooo wrote: »

Will they do their fcuking part to fully compensate and find the wildlife sources of infection? Is there much more to the article not subscribed?

Not a whole lot, tbh. Most is about the loss of EU funding due to the rise in cases here this last year. Bought in cattle will be their main focus so feck all use to farmers not buying in stock.

They seem determined to underpay for reactors and nothing being said about disinfection of setts after confirmed badger TB cases.

Seems it's all our fault even if we haven't bought in cattle for years.:rolleyes:

Say my name

Will there be a grading/ranking system of animals on mart boards of that herds tb ranking?

Say 5 star never had tb in the last 20 years.
1 star had it in the last year.

Mooooo

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

Not a whole lot, tbh. Most is about the loss of EU funding due to the rise in cases here this last year. Bought in cattle will be their main focus so feck all use to farmers not buying in stock.

They seem determined to underpay for reactors and nothing being said about disinfection of setts after confirmed badger TB cases.

Seems it's all our fault even if we haven't bought in cattle for years.:rolleyes:

Have only bought in cow's since losing so many to it. Any type of test they can do they've done to our herd. Not only will they be underpaying but they'll also end up making stock from herds in higher risk areas unsaleable with the way they are going. I asked when we were in the thick of it have they cleared out herds with it and they said they don't as if the farm buys back in the new stock could go down due to it being the area via wildlife or whatever. Can't fcuking win with them.
Tbh it has caused some of the hardest times here so if they are gonna put more back on us by fcuk they better do their bit as well on terms of sorting badgers/ deer etc or all their letters won't drop the rates

I says

I blame the white vermin as silent carriers. Can ya test them woolly crayturs.

390kid

The whole thing needs a review in my opinion. 5 went down here in the spring and nothing showed up in the factory. If any other sector had a scheme started back in the 1960s and no further on today surely there would’ve questions asked about it as to where it’s going and what exactly has it achieved ? I’m open to correction on my dates

David Hay

390kid wrote: »

The whole thing needs a review in my opinion. 5 went down here in the spring and nothing showed up in the factory. If any other sector had a scheme started back in the 1960s and no further on today surely there would’ve questions asked about it as to where it’s going and what exactly has it achieved ? I’m open to correction on my dates

Just because your cattle showed up with no visible lesions in the factory - does not mean that your cattle did not have TB.

Your cattle were TB+ in either a skin or GIF test and didn’t have it long enough for lesions to develop.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Mooooo wrote: »

Have only bought in cow's since losing so many to it. Any type of test they can do they've done to our herd. Not only will they be underpaying but they'll also end up making stock from herds in higher risk areas unsaleable with the way they are going. I asked when we were in the thick of it have they cleared out herds with it and they said they don't as if the farm buys back in the new stock could go down due to it being the area via wildlife or whatever. Can't fcuking win with them.
Tbh it has caused some of the hardest times here so if they are gonna put more back on us by fcuk they better do their bit as well on terms of sorting badgers/ deer etc or all their letters won't drop the rates

The idea seems to be to restrict purchasing to farms that have a higher TB status to your own.

I got in trouble before for saying it but the Dept need a long hard look at their procedures instead of lumping all the blame on farmers. (waves:pac:)

Lookit, farmers have to remove all cattle with TB and disinfect all their housing because both the remaining infected cattle and any infected housing can harbour the disease and transmit it to the uninfected cattle. That's the basic description of reducing transmission of TB and I think everyone agrees with that because it makes sense and it works.

Now, the Dept are quite content to remove infected badgers but they then ignore the badger setts which housed infected badgers. So, as has happened on our farm, the infected badgers are removed but the infected housing remains, how the hell do they expect an incoming badger, vaccinated or not, to avoid picking up the disease in their infected housing?

I mean, if it's a known and accepted risk with cattle, how is it not a risk with badgers?

This current change is once again doomed to failure because the Dept has a blind spot for a huge reservoir of infection being left on farms.

And farmers will again be blamed and pay the price for a refusal to complete the job on farms

390kid

David Hay wrote: »

Just because your cattle showed up with no visible lesions in the factory - does not mean that your cattle did not have TB.

Your cattle were TB+ in either a skin or GIF test and didn’t have it long enough for lesions to develop.

I’m aware of that. But for something that started over 40 years you’d think we’d be further on with it. Majority of farms in Scotland only test every 4 years and they seem to be as far on eradicating it as we are here

David Hay

390kid wrote: »

I’m aware of that. But for something that started over 40 years you’d think we’d be further on with it. Majority of farms in Scotland only test every 4 years and they seem to be as far on eradicating it as we are here

Yes, it’s a joke at this stage - especially the department’s treatment of inconclusive animals - if there is any doubt about them, they should be taken as reactors.

Neddyusa

I says wrote: »

I blame the white vermin as silent carriers. Can ya test them woolly crayturs.

While I've more time for the sheep than to call them "woolly vermin" when it comes to TB you're right.

Lots of talk about deer and Badgers as reservoirs yet you never hear about sheep - when they are a much more common source.

Neddyusa

390kid wrote: »

I’m aware of that. But for something that started over 40 years you’d think we’d be further on with it. Majority of farms in Scotland only test every 4 years and they seem to be as far on eradicating it as we are here

This is the crux of it.
It's not practical or feasible to ever eradicate TB due to the other species that carry it.

The whole premise of an "eradication scheme" needs to be rethought.
(Similar to the Coronavirus - which cannot be eliminated without closing all ports and airports permanently.)

As it stands, only vets and department staff benefit from the current system.

foxy farmer

Neddyusa wrote: »

This is the crux of it.
It's not practical or feasible to ever eradicate TB due to the other species that carry it.

The whole premise of an "eradication scheme" needs to be rethought.
(Similar to the Coronavirus - which cannot be eliminated without closing all ports and airports permanently.)

As it stands, only vets and department staff benefit from the current system.

There's a whole industry built around TB. Dept staff, vets, hauliers, valuers, meat factories, lab staff, NPWS staff and more no doubt.

Still waters

Too many jobs are tied up in the testing industry to try and eradicate it

ganmo

I wonder will the measures taken during lockdown make it easier to get the wider public inside with the measures needed to be taken

richie123

How is it we can come with a vaccine for covid 19 Ina a matter of months but can't come up with a workable vaccine in cattle for the last 40 year ??

Gods Gift

TB is a massive money spinner. BVD is too to a lesser extent.

_Brian

richie123 wrote: »

How is it we can come with a vaccine for covid 19 Ina a matter of months but can't come up with a workable vaccine in cattle for the last 40 year ??

I thought there was a TB vaccine but Ireland chooses to eradicate rather than vaccinate. Using vaccines means we loose our TB free status does it not ??

foxy farmer

Gods Gift wrote: »

TB is a massive money spinner. BVD is too to a lesser extent.

All the private labs didn't set up for BVD to be out of work after 3 or 4 yrs as we we told it would take to get rid of BVD.
Anyway they had to get something to replace the Brucellosis testing. Tinfoil hat stuff I know but thats my own take on it.

richie123

_Brian wrote: »

I thought there was a TB vaccine but Ireland chooses to eradicate rather than vaccinate. Using vaccines means we loose our TB free status does it not ??

I think we've clearly failed on the eradication front a long time ago.tb policy in this country is a failed **** of a racket making everyone bar the farmers a solid fortune.fcuking joke.

omicron

The cost of testing is minimal compared to the financial impact of not being able to export beef or dairy products if we didn't have an eradication programme and low levels of TB.

richie123

omicron wrote: »

The cost of testing is minimal compared to the financial impact of not being able to export beef or dairy products if we didn't have an eradication programme and low levels of TB.

It's not working...
I agree with you that is still needed.but in this day and age we still don't have a proper quick reliable test,absolute joke.too many jobs for every Tom dick and Harry.

Gods Gift

And what’ss this inconclusive sh1te.
They either have it or they don’t.
They’re changing the rules on that to I believe.