Toyota CHR Hybrid

Gael23

What are your thoughts on this with an older driver in mind? Being automatic and a high seating position it must make the shortlist

bazz26

Very expensive for what they are imo. The rear feels like your in a dark cave too due to the design of the rear doors and small windows.

Gael23

bazz26 wrote: »

Very expensive for what they are imo. The rear feels like your in a dark cave too due to the design of the rear doors and small windows.

I am slightly getting that feeling, €32k for a car that size is a lot. Would the Nissan Juke Auto be worth a look as an alternative?

ba_barabus

Gael23 wrote: »

What are your thoughts on this with an older driver in mind? Being automatic and a high seating position it must make the shortlist

My mother loves hers, she's 73.

Things to watch out for, the boot opens very high and my mother is short. We had to fit a grab handle to allow her to close it.

There is a lot of tech in them which takes a bit of getting used to.

Auto if you're not used to will take time (they're easy to use obviously but if you have 50 years of manual experience etc etc)

The price is debatable. If you were to spec a competitor up to similar levels you'll find they're similar from what we could see. Also comes down to personal preference. For us, the CHR made most sense but there are nice competitors out there, JUKE, Captur and 2008 are all brand new.

Gael23

ba_barabus wrote: »

My mother loves hers, she's 73.

Things to watch out for, the boot opens very high and my mother is short. We had to fit a grab handle to allow her to close it.

There is a lot of tech in them which takes a bit of getting used to.

Auto if you're not used to will take time (they're easy to use obviously but if you have 50 years of manual experience etc etc)

The price is debatable. If you were to spec a competitor up to similar levels you'll find they're similar from what we could see. Also comes down to personal preference. For us, the CHR made most sense but there are nice competitors out there, JUKE, Captur and 2008 are all brand new.

Looked at the Juke and it’s an option but not quite as fuel efficient as the hybrid, that’s not a dealbreaker though. There’s a Toyota Yaris cross coming out in the next year that might be worth waiting for

ba_barabus

Gael23 wrote: »

Looked at the Juke and it’s an option but not quite as fuel efficient as the hybrid, that’s not a dealbreaker though. There’s a Toyota Yaris cross coming out in the next year that might be worth waiting for

It wouldn't surprise me if that ends up being delayed a little bit due to Covid 19.

Old diesel

I'm with Bazz on the "very expensive for what they are" front.

They are all about the look - so if you love the look then you won't care that it's a bit dear.

Really dark in the back and they nearly all seem to come in that Luna Sport trim (I think that's it) with the bigger wheels .

So you feel a bit too much of the bumps imo.

On the other hand Toyota Hybrid tech has a really solid reliability history Vs everything else.

scooby77

Mother in law (72) loves hers. It's a Sol and she's had since March 2019. Finds easy to drive, park etc Loves hybrid system, quiet and smooth. We test drove good few similiar crossovers, thought she might go Audi, but she thought expensive when specced.
I've driven it alot myself. Lovely driving position, good handling, comfortable. I probably would find under powered for long haul, but if I was buying for myself would be 2.0 hybrid version. 1.8 hybrid perfect for her.
The Sol was not cheap, but has lots safety kit ( including BSM) and heated seats. It feels like a quality car, Toyota have upped game on interiors. She has no problem with tech.
I agree though, rear passenger area a little dark.

Gael23

scooby77 wrote: »

Mother in law (72) loves hers. It's a Sol and she's had since March 2019. Finds easy to drive, park etc Loves hybrid system, quiet and smooth. We test drove good few similiar crossovers, thought she might go Audi, but she thought expensive when specced.
I've driven it alot myself. Lovely driving position, good handling, comfortable. I probably would find under powered for long haul, but if I was buying for myself would be 2.0 hybrid version. 1.8 hybrid perfect for her.
The Sol was not cheap, but has lots safety kit ( including BSM) and heated seats. It feels like a quality car, Toyota have upped game on interiors. She has no problem with tech.
I agree though, rear passenger area a little dark.

How much are we talking for a Sol?

Shefwedfan

What type of driving will they be doing?

The car, interior and exterior is a huge step up from a lot of the cars people will say are cheaper. They are cheaper for a reason. You need to compare auto as well which is a must for older people. The car also holds it value better than rivals....

Big question is type of driving

Gael23

Majority of journeys 10-20 miles round trip, so not quite town driving but fairly local and a longer journey of 50k or so once or twice a week.
Current car has 47k on it in 3 years

Shefwedfan

Gael23 wrote: »

Majority of journeys 10-20 miles round trip, so not quite town driving but fairly local and a longer journey of 50k or so once or twice a week.
Current car has 47k on it in 3 years

Would you not just go full electric? not bother with fuel at all? if older maybe at the age to get cheap electricity?


Your up in the range of a Kia Niro which would be similar to the CHR in terms of size. Not as dark in back. Even the Leaf has a fairly high seating position

ba_barabus

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Would you not just go full electric? not bother with fuel at all? if older maybe at the age to get cheap electricity?


Your up in the range of a Kia Niro which would be similar to the CHR in terms of size. Not as dark in back. Even the Leaf has a fairly high seating position

We considered electric but when we took into consideration it was an older female who would be plugging it in and out on a cold winter's day on her own the thought of that didn't appeal to anyone.

Other than that the electrics were really nice and made a huge amount of sense, and they're easy enough to plug in.

Shefwedfan

ba_barabus wrote: »

We considered electric but when we took into consideration it was an older female who would be plugging it in and out on a cold winter's day on her own the thought of that didn't appeal to anyone.

Other than that the electrics were really nice and made a huge amount of sense, and they're easy enough to plug in.

My mother pushed getting an electric because she hated trying to go into petrol garages to fill up. Said it was a nightmare with cars and people walking around etc.


Now she just plugs in and it auto charges over night, full tank every morning. Loves it.



Also the fact it can preheat so when she jumps in every mornign it is nice and toasty. My dad didnt want to know. They had 2 cars and at weekend he said he was selling his Qashqai because they never use.

Gael23

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Would you not just go full electric? not bother with fuel at all? if older maybe at the age to get cheap electricity?


Your up in the range of a Kia Niro which would be similar to the CHR in terms of size. Not as dark in back. Even the Leaf has a fairly high seating position

Could those be bought for around the same price?

road_high

They are expensive but are a very desirable car in the right spec and trim.
They're pretty big inprint which is decieving as interior space dissapoints for a car like this. They're about the same size as an Avensis. Bigger than a Juke or Captur.

ba_barabus

Shefwedfan wrote: »

My mother pushed getting an electric because she hated trying to go into petrol garages to fill up. Said it was a nightmare with cars and people walking around etc.


Now she just plugs in and it auto charges over night, full tank every morning. Loves it.



Also the fact it can preheat so when she jumps in every mornign it is nice and toasty. My dad didnt want to know. They had 2 cars and at weekend he said he was selling his Qashqai because they never use.

If I'm honest I think it was more fear of the unknown but it was a concern for her.

ba_barabus

road_high wrote: »

They are expensive but are a very desirable car in the right spec and trim.
They're pretty big inprint which is decieving as interior space dissapoints for a car like this. They're about the same size as an Avensis. Bigger than a Juke or Captur.

Nah, my Avensis is bigger.

Shefwedfan

Gael23 wrote: »

Could those be bought for around the same price?

I thought they used to have an eNiro for about 32k price to customer. Not sure anyone as not up to speed on them



The eGolf has come way down now to below 30k

Shefwedfan

ba_barabus wrote: »

If I'm honest I think it was more fear of the unknown but it was a concern for her.

Thing is they are the exact same as any car just with a plug. Most of them look and feel the same as the combustion engine version. Take the eGolf nobody knows it is electric till you take off and no sound. Well the nice lights on the front are the only difference

Alun

bazz26 wrote: »

V The rear feels like your in a dark cave too due to the design of the rear doors and small windows.

Old diesel wrote: »

Really dark in the back and they nearly all seem to come in that Luna Sport trim (I think that's it) with the bigger wheels.

Any recent Toyota I've been in has felt the same, very dark, like being in a coal shed, and the design of the back with the high doors and small windows just makes it worse. Lousy rear visibility for the driver too.

sunnysoutheast

My wife's friend has one. Think it's the 2 litre hybrid in Sport (?) spec.

She loves it. Perfect for the driving she does (usually short but with weekly longer distance trips). Back seats only used once a month maybe.

Shefwedfan

To be fair to the CHR the people that are buying it dont really gibve a poo about the back seats. My sister is law is on her second one. Joys of PCP. So got the new model at start of year. She loves it. Loves the interior, is easy on petrol which suits her driving and she does the odd trip down the country doesnt have to worry about plugging in

The back seats, she brought us into town once, so 5 adults in car. It was comfy, not for long trip but 30 mins in car and it was grand.

Gael23

Back seats are nor a huge concern, more fuel economy and overall build quality along with being automatic.
We’re looking at around 14k to change which is a lot to come up 3 years although I know it’s not like for like

kanuseeme

How about something like this BMW 225xe ? Its not as high as a CHR. 40 km range on battery 1.5 petrol, expensive here but good value in the uk, this one is about 30000 euro with vrt. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202006170218356?radius=1500&advertising-location=at_cars&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&body-type=MPV&body-type=SUV&fuel-type=Hybrid%20%E2%80%93%20Petrol%2FElectric%20Plug-in&sort=price-asc&year-from=2020&postcode=l211la&make=BMW&page=1

Shefwedfan

Gael23 wrote: »

Back seats are nor a huge concern, more fuel economy and overall build quality along with being automatic.
We’re looking at around 14k to change which is a lot to come up 3 years although I know it’s not like for like

The other option is the Kia PHEV, which does 50km on battery. They used to sell at circa 32k, no idea what they are selling for now. It is plugging in etc but would massively reduce cost in fuel. Have the backup of the petrol engine. IT is in the similar sized range to the CHR.



THe Hyundai Kona I found awful inside.



Peugeot is nice but no hybrids.

Alun

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The other option is the Kia PHEV, which does 50km on battery. They used to sell at circa 32k, no idea what they are selling for now. It is plugging in etc but would massively reduce cost in fuel. Have the backup of the petrol engine. IT is in the similar sized range to the CHR.

As said I have the Kia Niro PHEV, very nice light and airy interior with Dove Grey leather. The claimed range when I fully charge it is 58km, but you'd be lucky to get 35-40km or so of normal driving. Still even in hybrid mode when the battery gets low it's a very relaxing drive and when possible it switches to EV mode even when claiming 0km range.

I drive a Lexus CT200, and when I leave it in for annual service I get a CH-R as courtesy car. I love it so much I will consider it as next car. They have similar engine set-up, very reliable. The Lexus is a very reassuring but dull enough car to drive, the CH-R feels more sprightly. It has excellent steering and handling, and the reverse camera compensated for almost non existent rear view. Sears are very comfortable too. I wouldn’t hesitate to recommend it.

Shefwedfan

Alun wrote: »

As said I have the Kia Niro PHEV, very nice light and airy interior with Dove Grey leather. The claimed range when I fully charge it is 58km, but you'd be lucky to get 35-40km or so of normal driving. Still even in hybrid mode when the battery gets low it's a very relaxing drive and when possible it switches to EV mode even when claiming 0km range.

A guy on electric forum said he always got 50km. I have an Outlander PHEV and it never gets over 30km.....

Gael23

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The other option is the Kia PHEV, which does 50km on battery. They used to sell at circa 32k, no idea what they are selling for now. It is plugging in etc but would massively reduce cost in fuel. Have the backup of the petrol engine. IT is in the similar sized range to the CHR.



THe Hyundai Kona I found awful inside.



Peugeot is nice but no hybrids.

Hybrid is not an absolute must but it has to be automatic.
Are you talking about the Niro or XCeed?

Shefwedfan

Gael23 wrote: »

Hybrid is not an absolute must but it has to be automatic.
Are you talking about the Niro or XCeed?

Niro PHEV.



At this stage if looking at the Toyota CHR you better to stay as hybrid, especially with the mileage.


Personally if it was me, I would buy the Toyota.

ba_barabus

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I would buy the Toyota.

You get what you pay for as they say. Yes it's more expensive than similar cars but if they're specced up to be the same it's not. They also hold value like nobodys business.

Shefwedfan

ba_barabus wrote: »

You get what you pay for as they say. Yes it's more expensive than similar cars but if they're specced up to be the same it's not. They also hold value like nobodys business.

100%


They will hold value a lot better than rivals, especially with the low mileage the OP is talking about


The hybrid engine in Toyota is solid as a rock

road_high

ba_barabus wrote: »

You get what you pay for as they say. Yes it's more expensive than similar cars but if they're specced up to be the same it's not. They also hold value like nobodys business.

They sure do. They're extremely desirable as a used buy and used values reflect that.

Gael23

What spec would you go for? Was looking at the Luna sport but then were looking about €14k to come up 3 years

Shefwedfan

Gael23 wrote: »

What spec would you go for? Was looking at the Luna sport but then were looking about €14k to come up 3 years

Sister in law dropped from the Sol to Luna Sport on this one.



Can't remember what the differences was, I think when she was buying they also had a launch edition which was orange colour and higher to Sol

Alun

Shefwedfan wrote: »

A guy on electric forum said he always got 50km. I have an Outlander PHEV and it never gets over 30km.....

It depends a lot on where you're driving it. A lot of my driving is on country roads with some pretty steep hills so that will affect the range a lot. If you were doing mainly urban journeys on the flat it'd be a lot different.

On the Toyota CHR topic, I test drove one and found the CVT gearbox very irritating, same as I did when I test drove a Prius.

Shefwedfan

Alun wrote: »

It depends a lot on where you're driving it. A lot of my driving is on country roads with some pretty steep hills so that will affect the range a lot. If you were doing mainly urban journeys on the flat it'd be a lot different.

On the Toyota CHR topic, I test drove one and found the CVT gearbox very irritating, same as I did when I test drove a Prius.

Some people like CVT and some people dont. I personally never had an issue with it.

Alun

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Some people like CVT and some people dont. I personally never had an issue with it.

I just found that it was a bit too "revvy". I know that in theory it's doing the right thing it just feels wrong

Shefwedfan

Alun wrote: »

I just found that it was a bit too "revvy". I know that in theory it's doing the right thing it just feels wrong

Anything that revs is too much for me moving from the eGolf....I prefer the quiet

Gael23

Would moving to a CVT from DSG be a bad move then?

Shefwedfan

Gael23 wrote: »

Would moving to a CVT from DSG be a bad move then?

No