Has Norris finally flipped?

StackSteevens

The longest serving member of the Seanad has hit out at its lack of racial diversity. Senator David Norris has hailed the appointment of Eileen Flynn from the travelling community as a significant advance.

However, he has noted the lack of diversity among the 60 Senators.

“I welcome very much the substantial increase in female representation, but i regret the absence from Seanad Éireann of any person of mixed race.”

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Not an African, or an Asian or an Australian or an Eskimo or a Peruvian or a Martian or a transgendered one-legged Elf from Botswana, but a person of mixed race!

I can't help wondering whether the joker has lost his last marble.

But then I was struck by a great idea:- if Davey Norris is genuinely concerned about the lack of mixed-race representation in Seanad Eireann then maybe he could consider stepping down and handing his seat over to a mixed-race person. In other words, putting his money where his mouth is.

After all, he's been in the Seanad for 23 years and at age 75 I'm sure that many would agree with me that he's a long way past his sell by date.

Ipso

Oh no, a Senator is angry. Wait until he unleashes his powers.

mikemac2

Well Norris was born in Africa so we can use him as an example of diversity in the Seanad

Dj Stiggie

Well he couldn't exactly say that they're short an African senator...

Edit: beaten to it by MikeMac!

Dj Stiggie

He does have a point though. One of the reasons for creating the Seanad was to give representation to groups that wouldn't win Dáil seats but were still stakeholders in Irish society. Given that he's one of the few directly elected senators I can see why he feels a more diverse bunch could be appointed by the Taoiseach, etc.

StackSteevens

Dj Stiggie wrote: »

He does have a point though. One of the reasons for creating the Seanad was to give representation to groups that wouldn't win Dáil seats but were still stakeholders in Irish society. Given that he's one of the few directly elected senators I can see why he feels a more diverse bunch could be appointed by the Taoiseach, etc.

Yep - a genuine national tragedy that Eamon Ryan didn't appoint Hazel Chu!

trashcan

[QUOTE=Dj Stiggie;113887323]He does have a point though. One of the reasons for creating the Seanad was to give representation to groups that wouldn't win Dáil seats but were still stakeholders in Irish society. Given that he's one of the few directly elected senators I can see why he feels a more diverse bunch could be appointed by the Taoiseach, etc.[/QUOTE]

"Stakeholders". Puke.

Ipso

Dj Stiggie wrote: »

He does have a point though. One of the reasons for creating the Seanad was to give representation to groups that wouldn't win Dáil seats but were still stakeholders in Irish society. Given that he's one of the few directly elected senators I can see why he feels a more diverse bunch could be appointed by the Taoiseach, etc.

How are these groups determined? He's been on the gravy train long enough, he could do the honourable thing and give up his gig very important job.

Dj Stiggie

trashcan wrote: »

"Stakeholders". Puke.

I was trying to think of a better word. Is it a bit too Junior Cert business?

Rodney Bathgate

Maybe he can start a letter writing campaign to get his paedo friend a seat.

wyndham

Norris is a slimeball and has no moral authority after using his office to appeal for clemency in Israel for his paedo partner/former partner in the rape of a 15 year old boy.

Dj Stiggie

Ipso wrote: »

How are these groups determined? He's been on the gravy train long enough, he could do the honourable thing and give up his gig very important job.

I can't remember them all but several are appointed directly by the Taoiseach and trade unions. The National Universities and Trinity College alumni directly elect senators too. They're the only groups that do so. I don't like the guy, but he is one of the only people elected in the house.

Bobblehats

Ipso wrote: »

How are these groups determined? He's been on the gravy train long enough, he could do the honourable thing and give up his gig very important job.

Dame that props up the pantomine is integral

weldoninhio

StackSteevens wrote: »

Yep - a genuine national tragedy that Eamon Ryan didn't appoint Hazel Chu!

The race baiter is apparently going to be the new Lord Mayor of Dublin.

MrMusician18

Dj Stiggie wrote: »

He does have a point though. One of the reasons for creating the Seanad was to give representation to groups that wouldn't win Dáil seats but were still stakeholders in Irish society. Given that he's one of the few directly elected senators I can see why he feels a more diverse bunch could be appointed by the Taoiseach, etc.

It was actually to ensure Protestants were represented in the new parliament.

Rodney Bathgate

Ipso wrote: »

How are these groups determined? He's been on the gravy train long enough, he could do the honourable thing and give up his gig very important job.

Wasn’t sure if he was still claiming disability payments from his real job in Trinity.

As of 2011: “ INDEPENDENT presidential candidate David Norris received a disability payment for 16 years while out of work as a Trinity College lecturer -- even though he was a "full-time" senator for the entire period.”

Gravy train is right.

I voted to abolish the Seanad in the referendum, pity more didn’t.

Rodney Bathgate

From 2015:

“ SENATOR DAVID NORRIS has said that people on social welfare should not be allowed to buy drink, saying it is ridiculous that drinking has now become “a human right”.”

Rodney Bathgate

To suggest he has ‘finally’ flipped is misleading.

Necro

Mod:

Moving to Current Affairs, reminder to read the charter before posting

gmisk

StackSteevens wrote: »

Yep - a genuine national tragedy that Eamon Ryan didn't appoint Hazel Chu!

Why would he appoint hazel chu?
She is now lord mayor of Dublin

LiquidZeb

Eric Cartman wrote: »

ahh come on, you're better than that, he's a paedophile apologist too.

Was wondering when he'd throw his oar in to this, him , the travelling fishwife and presumably some dark skinned candidate to his liking can all sit together and shake fists at clouds.

So we have black people, LGBTQA+ people and travellers being discriminated against in that one post. That's like the holy Trinity of people the current affairs neanderthals hate

LiquidZeb

gmisk wrote: »

What the hell difference does that make?

Because hur hur gay people willy and bum? What were you expecting from this place the Baghdad House of Wisdom?

gmisk

StackSteevens wrote: »

And she will stop being Lady Mayor of Dublin in a year's time whereas if she was in Seanad Eireann she'd be there for up to 5 years and would earn lots and lots of money.

She is already an elected councillor and the chairperson for the green party I'd say she will make a run at being a TD, no need for her to go for Seanad at least not yet

What’s the point of senators anyway. What do they do?

BattleCorp

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

What’s the point of senators anyway. What do they do?

They work as a full-time senator and also get a disability pension from Trinity.

I have to be honest. I don't know how the fcuk he got away with that one.

Did nobody think to ask him why he wasn't returning to work in Trinity yet he was able to work full-time as a senator, and a high-profile senator at that.

LiquidZeb

super_furry wrote: »

Oppps. Someone logged into the wrong burner account there.

I mean it's a glorified form of talking to yourself I don't get it.

Galwayguy35

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

What’s the point of senators anyway. What do they do?

Handy few bob for ex TDs the public rejected in the last GE while they decide if the want to run again for the Dail.

The public bottled it when we had a chance to vote it out of existence.

BattleCorp

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Handy few bob for ex TDs the public rejected in the last GE while they decide if the want to run again for the Dail.

The public bottled it when we had a chance to vote it out of existence.

Did you see the way the ballot paper was worded? Yes meant no and no meant yes.

It was a screwed up paper and I'm sure some people made a mistake when filling it in.

Galwayguy35

BattleCorp wrote: »

Did you see the way the ballot paper was worded? Yes meant no and no meant yes.

It was a screwed up paper and I'm sure some people made a mistake when filling it in.

Ah come on it was easy to know what we were voting for, anyone who couldn't understand it must have been as thick as two short planks.

is_that_so

It's David Norris and there's nothing new here at all. He's always been inclined to wonder aloud about all sorts of things, often involving shouting.

padd b1975

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

What’s the point of senators anyway. What do they do?

Delaying legislation being passed is about as good as it gets.

Gregor Samsa

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Handy few bob for ex TDs the public rejected in the last GE while they decide if the want to run again for the Dail.

Or In the case of Timmy Dooley, a few bob for ex TDs the public rejected in the last election, and were then rejected again by the electorate of their panel in the Seanad elections.

SEPT 23 1989

I have a lot of time for David but if he follows down this road with the rest of the sheep I will loose all respect for him

BattleCorp

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Ah come on it was easy to know what we were voting for, anyone who couldn't understand it must have been as thick as two short planks.

Easy for the average person to understand alright. But then again, 49.99999999999...............% of people are thicker than the average person.

ohnonotgmail

BattleCorp wrote: »

Easy for the average person to understand alright. But then again, 49.99999999999...............% of people are thicker than the average person.

goes on about people being thick and doesnt know the difference between median and average.

paw patrol

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I have a lot of time for David but if he follows down this road with the rest of the sheep I will loose all respect for him

does his letter writing to the isrealis on offical Seanad paper (give it the air of an offical letter) asking for clemency for his ,ate riding a 15year old not mitigate all the "time" you have for me?


What would he have to do for you to give up that "lot of time"?


In case you want to point out the legal age for consent is 16 and 15 isn't that much below it - Norris's pal was 40 at the time which is horrible stuff.


norris should have been thrown out of irish society for this.

paw patrol

i voted to retain the Seanad I think it's a good thing for us to have.


We have folks like failed TD and lads dining out on state wages like Norris but we do get gems like Fergal Quinn too.



We were promised Seanad reform which I'd like to see. Personally i'd like to see Seanad being more independent and less of the party political wasteland that it is.

Edgware

paw patrol wrote: »

does his letter writing to the isrealis on offical Seanad paper (give it the air of an offical letter) asking for clemency for his ,ate riding a 15year old not mitigate all the "time" you have for me?


What would he have to do for you to give up that "lot of time"?


In case you want to point out the legal age for consent is 16 and 15 isn't that much below it - Norris's pal was 40 at the time which is horrible stuff.


norris should have been thrown out of irish society for this.

He did say that it was common practice in Ancient Greece for an older man to take charge of young men and educate them in the ways of the world.

StackSteevens

gmisk wrote: »

She is already an elected councillor and the chairperson for the green party I'd say she will make a run at being a TD, no need for her to go for Seanad at least not yet

True enough. And of course she has her partner's TD's salary to help her to make ends meet while living rent-free in the Mansion House!

suicide_circus

"I cannot understand how anybody could find children of either sex in the slightest bit attractive sexually ... but in terms of classic paedophilia, as practised by the Greeks, for example, where it is an older man introducing a younger man to adult life, there can be something said for it. Now, again, this is not something that appeals to me.

"Although, when I was younger, I would have greatly relished the prospect of an older, attractive, mature man taking me under his wing, lovingly introducing me to sexual realities, treating me with affection, teaching me about life."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/31/david-norris-ireland-paedophilia-row

Galwayguy35

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

goes on about people being thick and doesnt know the difference between median and average.

I know what a capital letter and an apostrophe is though.

You are probably one of the people who got confused by it, wouldn't surprise me really if this was the case.

ohnonotgmail

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I know what a capital letter and an apostrophe is though.

You are probably one of the people who got confused by it, wouldn't surprise me really if this was the case.

well i didnt quote so i dont know why you feel the need to defend another poster.

And i do know the difference. which is why i made the comment.

and this is precious.

I know what a capital letter and an apostrophe is though.

Not so great on singular v plural.

Mr. Karate

You mean he didn't flip when he used official Seanad paper to ask for clemency for his pedophile boyfriend? Or when he openly advocated for pedophilia when he said that the age of consent should apply to gays?

Edgware

Mr. Karate wrote: »

You mean he didn't flip when he used official Seanad paper to ask for clemency for his pedophile boyfriend? Or when he openly advocated for pedophilia when he said that the age of consent should apply to gays?

Ooooh Matron!

Mr. Karate

Edgware wrote: »

Ooooh Matron!

What he didn't do that or say that in an interview?

Galwayguy35

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well i didnt quote so i dont know why you feel the need to defend another poster.

And i do know the difference. which is why i made the comment.

and this is precious.



Not so great on singular v plural.

You didn't directly quote me but it was my original post you were getting at.

ohnonotgmail

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

You didn't directly quote me but it was my original post you were getting at.

i wasn't getting at your post at all. i was responding to another poster complaining about thick people and not knowing the difference between average and median.