The Irish left react to the Garda murder

double jobbing

Actually, they don't.

I decided to have a look on Twitter to see who had bothered passing comment.

Of the 10 random FF FG TD accounts I looked at, any that have what you might call an active presence passed their condolences.

While I didn't bother searching through the accounts of SF TD's, I heard at least Mary Lou and Martin Kenny pass comment in the media, so at least some in SF have covered themselves.

As far as I've ever understood, the Irish hard left doesn't seem to have party leaderships. The PBP AAA Rise whatever bloc, all their TD's seem to have a roughly equal billing. They all seem to be the party spokesman on, well, they only really have five issues don't they (housing, welfare, immigration, imaginary Garda brutality, Greta worship)

Amazingly (or probably not that amazingly), between the accounts of Paul Murphy, Brid Smith, Ruth Coppinger (thankfully no longer a TD but still seems to think she is one), Mick Barry, Clare Daly, Richard Boyd Barrett, not a single one of these saw fit to pass comment on the murder.

Combined, you could probably write a book of their pages worth of comments about their take on the George Floyd death, BLM and other flavours of said month.

Be nice to have a journalist put them on the spot and ask them for a comment. See if they're willing to condemn the murder of an officer of an organisation the dregs of humanity who vote for them despise.

Notmything

Tbh I'd be happy if they were to stay silent and not offer false condolences unlike the leader of sf.

Members of her party openly welcomed Garda killers on their release from prison and she then has the gall to say she is sorry to hear a Garda had been murdered.

double jobbing

Notmything wrote: »

Tbh I'd be happy if they were to stay silent and not offer false condolences like the leader of sf.

Members of her party openly welcomed Garda killers on their release from prison and she then has the gall to say she is sorry to hear a Garda had been murdered.

Understood, but it shows the absolute petty nature of these people. They can bang on for 3 weeks about the unlawful killing of a violent recividist in the US but refuse to risk alienating their own scumbag voters by passing comment about a similar incident here.

Notmything

double jobbing wrote: »

Understood, but it shows the absolute petty nature of these people. They can bang on for 3 weeks about the unlawful killing of a violent recividist in the US but refuse to risk alienating their own scumbag voters by passing comment about a similar incident here.

But we have to remember that during the height of the water protests the alphabet left were pushing the message that the gardai were the enemy of the (non) working class.

But yeah, none seem to have been pressed on making a comment, so were they not approached or did they make themselves not available?

Strumms

Notmything wrote: »

Tbh I'd be happy if they were to stay silent and not offer false condolences like the leader of sf.

Members of her party openly welcomed Garda killers on their release from prison and she then has the gall to say she is sorry to hear a Garda had been murdered.

Well said, 100%. She or her cohorts wouldn’t have a grain of gravitas or intellect to relate any opinions or empty sympathies or platitudes as regarding this tragedy. I don’t consider SF left really, that’s just a banner they walk and talk under...

bloodless_coup

What I'm wondering is when are all of the lgblt youth groups going to organise solidarity events / marches for a fallen Guardian of the Peace?

They seem to love getting out for a march, even for a convicted criminal. Surely they were out this weekend for the Garda?

Better Than Christ

double jobbing wrote: »

Understood, but it shows the absolute petty nature of these people.

Petty? You're the one who's gone trolling (sic) through the Twitter accounts of politicians you don't like, for the sole purpose of having a go at the Black Lives Matter movement. Using a man's murder for the sake of having a cheap dig is pretty low behaviour.

Notmything

bloodless_coup wrote: »

What I'm wondering is when are all of the lgblt youth groups going to organise solidarity events / marches for a fallen Guardian of the Peace?

They seem to love getting out for a march, even for a convicted criminal. Surely they were out this weekend for the Garda?

Don't be silly, sure he was white, male and straight. In college I was thought that those descriptors were about oppressing people.

But, on a serious note, there was a short news piece where someone from his community was talking about all the work he had done for minorities.

double jobbing

Better Than Christ wrote: »

Petty? You're the one who's gone trolling (sic) through the Twitter accounts of politicians you don't like, for the sole purpose of having a go at the Black Lives Matter movement. Using a man's murder for the sake of having a cheap dig is pretty low behaviour.

I think it's fairly pertinent, that a group of TD's who essentially live on Twitter refused to pass comment on the biggest news story of the last week because it conflicted with their ACAB mentality and would alienate the wasters who vote for them.

Better Than Christ

double jobbing wrote: »

I think it's fairly pertinent, that a group of TD's who essentially live on Twitter refused to pass comment on the biggest news story of the last week because it conflicted with their ACAB mentality and would alienate the wasters who vote for them.

You couldn't give a toss about Garda Colm Horkan. To you, he's little more than a useful stick to beat anti-racist politicians with.

double jobbing

Better Than Christ wrote: »

You couldn't give a toss about Garda Colm Horkan. To you, he's little more than a useful stick to beat anti-racist politicians with.

Anti racist :pac:

Oul Ruthie got booted out of her seat because she refused to speak on racist housing policies,

CrankyHaus

Why would they comment?

They're not going to win any votes with it, and they know well that a certain amount of their support has strong opinions on Gardai.
The far left has always been ambivalent, at best, about electoral politics. In fact loud voices on the far left don't believe in any engagement with the electoral process. Those that do don't have any illusions about winning the popular vote so they're not going to stoop to diluting their ideology and the support of their real base to chase votes.

SF is playing a bigger game where they have to appeal to the middleground to fulfill what they believe to be their destiny; largest party North and South in a position to unify the country by poll. So they can swallow their pride for the greater good and do a 180 on their traditional position on "free state securocrats".

Better Than Christ

double jobbing wrote: »

Anti racist :pac:

Oul Ruthie got booted out of her seat because she refused to speak on racist housing policies,

At least you're not denying the fact that you don't care about what you blithely referred to as "the Garda murder" (you couldn't even be arsed finding out what his name was). Just an opportunity to have a go at people who don't share your views. Grim.

double jobbing

Better Than Christ wrote: »

At least you're not denying the fact that you don't care about what you blithely referred to as "the Garda murder" (you couldn't even be arsed finding out what his name was). Just an opportunity to have a go at people who don't share your views. Grim.

:pac::pac::pac:

Look, it wouldn't be an issue if the TD's had, like many TD's, social media presences that have cobwebs on them they are so unused.

These lads are prolific. Paul ****ing Murphy would send 15 tweets if an asylum seeker claimed his cornflakes had a hair in them.

For all these wasters to seemingly not notice the big news story is a damning indictment of the sector of society they represent.

Better Than Christ

double jobbing wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac:

All a childish little game to you, isn't it? Pathetic.

Snickers Man

double jobbing wrote: »

Amazingly (or probably not that amazingly), between the accounts of Paul Murphy, Brid Smith, Ruth Coppinger (thankfully no longer a TD but still seems to think she is one), Mick Barry, Clare Daly, Richard Boyd Barrett, not a single one of these saw fit to pass comment on the murder.

Be nice to have a journalist put them on the spot and ask them for a comment. .

Quite agree. That's just what the country needs: MORE VIRTUE SIGNALLING!!! You can never have too much.

Annasopra

double jobbing wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac:

Look, it wouldn't be an issue if the TD's had, like many TD's, social media presences that have cobwebs on them they are so unused.

These lads are prolific. Paul ****ing Murphy would send 15 tweets if an asylum seeker claimed his cornflakes had a hair in them.

For all these wasters to seemingly not notice the big news story is a damning indictment of the sector of society they represent.

So basically you are feigning support for Garda Colm Horkan in order to attack left TDs and their supporters. And you call their voters scumbags?

osarusan

Idiotic thread.

coinop

Leaving aside the politicians for a moment, I must say I’m shocked at the number of Irish lefties with ACAB in the twitter bios (All Cops Are B*statds). It’s particularly insensitive in light of the Recent Garda murder. For all the complaining these whingers do about America, they ape the lexicon and discourse of the American far-left. Between their BLM debates and lecturing on Palestine, you would wonder do they even follow Irish current affairs at all.

dan1895

coinop wrote: »

Leaving aside the politicians for a moment, I must say I’m shocked at the number of Irish lefties with ACAB in the twitter bios (All Cops Are B*statds). It’s particularly insensitive in light of the Recent Garda murder. For all the complaining these whingers do about America, they ape the lexicon and discourse of the American far-left. Between their BLM debates and lecturing on Palestine, you would wonder do they even follow Irish current affairs at all.

Genuine question. What accounts are these? I consider myself to be on the left of the political spectrum and have never noticed that in anyone's bio.

elli21

Using this poor Guard's horrific murder in an attempt to score cheap political points is fcuking hideous

circadian

Disgusting thread is disgusting.

Edgware

"The Irish Left" FFS!. They are just glorified First Year Arts students who havent left go of their Che Guevara posters. Everyone of them against a Property Tax even though such a tax is an absolute demand with every Socialist party elsewhere.
Harping on about Israel and Venezuela they couldnt find Belfast on a map never mind Palestine.

Galwayguy35

It's a valid point though, the far left are very selective about what they comment on.

Annasopra

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

It's a valid point though, the far left are very selective about what they comment on.

No its not. Its cheap gutter style petty point scoring and using Garda Colm Horkan to do it.

Granadino

What do you want Mary Lou to say? What else can she say in relation to some mentally deranged British biker shooting a Garda dead? Do you want her to say "i always knew those Brits were no good"...

Galwayguy35

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

No its not. Its cheap gutter style petty point scoring and using Garda Colm Horkan to do it.

TDs like Murphy, Brid Smith and Boyd Barrett are public representatives and its a bit baffling that none of them had the time to offer their condolences when a member of the Gardai is murdered.

double jobbing

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

No its not. Its cheap gutter style petty point scoring and using Garda Colm Horkan to do it.

The mentioned TD's are avid, avid Twitter users.

RBB has the quietest platform, seems to be maybe thrice weekly.

Most other named TD's are at a bare minimum thrice daily. This isn't some rural TD in his late 60's who gets the grandson to update the yoke once a month.

It simply shows how much these people think they represent a different Ireland to the one they live in. And the standard of oaf that votes for them.

Not one of them could even bring themselves to "while we believe in accountability for police both home and abroad and advocate for reform of some of their roles, we are fully aware the vast majority are good people doing a thankless job. Violence against them is unacceptable in all circumstances...."

But they wouldn't. Because something something Irish Water.

Sonics2k

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

It's a valid point though, the far left are very selective about what they comment on.

Well no, it's not a valid point. But I'll agree people on the left can be selective in their outrage (in terms of social media) but so are the right though. What's your point?

Randy Archer

And you may wonder why priests always had to have a say in public events (no doubt many of ye weren’t wondering lol) you’d have Ann and Barry running to the priest expecting them to make some publication on an event / or in this case virtue signal , and often the priest would honestly want to be left alone

I get what the op is getting at , but, if they did make comments , the left (who are scum ra ra ra) would be criticised by the op as being disingenuous and virtue signallers in light of their recent attitudes to the boys in blue from other events . Sure one Eagle eyed poster noted the oddity of a Shinner commenting on it

Ya can’t win

Would prefer politicians and the public comment on this sorry incidents if they are genuine rather than doing so to be seen to be doing so

Granadino

A foreigner I know laughed when they were watching the news, and for every serious event, the parish priest gets rolled out for a comment, as a voice of authority. They couldn't get their head around it, and the more I thought about it, it's silly.

Hamsterchops

CrankyHaus wrote: »

......SF is playing a bigger game where they have to appeal to the middleground to fulfill what they believe to be their destiny; largest party North and South in a position to unify the country by poll. So they can swallow their pride for the greater good and do a 180 on their traditional position on "free state securocrats".

Scary If true.

Specially in light of the fact that not so long ago Sinn Fein were celebrating the release of Garda Killers from jail. Seems like 180° is Sinn Feins favourite angle, when it suits.

Galwayguy35

Sonics2k wrote: »

Well no, it's not a valid point. But I'll agree people on the left can be selective in their outrage (in terms of social media) but so are the right though. What's your point?

Leaving aside the left/right divide for a minute my point is a member of the Gardai is murdered and there is total silence about it and no message of sympathy from elected representatives of the left apart from ML.

Yet they are very vocal on stuff going on in the middle east and America the minute it happens.

Seems a bit strange.

CrankyHaus

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Scary If true.

Specially in light of the fact that not so long ago Sinn Fein were celebrating the release of Garda Killers from jail. Seems like 180° is Sinn Feins favourite angle, when it suits.

Honestly it depends which way you look at it.

They took a big leap, and endured faction splits, to embrace electoral politics and the peace process. At a personal level I'd say their representatives feel genuine sympathy for a Garda killed on duty, as long as it wasn't for "the cause", in which case some pretty vile acts can be justified.
The party has certainly evolved a lot since the 1970s and 1980s. It's unrealistic to assume we can come out of centuries of colonialism, and decades of the Troubles, without some messy hangovers from that history; like people who had connections to PIRA being in parliament, and possibly even government.

AllForIt

Better Than Christ wrote: »

You couldn't give a toss about Garda Colm Horkan. To you, he's little more than a useful stick to beat anti-racist politicians with.

It is completely irrelevant if the OP cares a jot about the deceased or not. The OP is not an elected official like the ppl he is criticising, and you don't really know if he cares or not.

I hear this kind of argument all the time and I find it utterly lame. If you say it's a 'useful stick' then you must AGREE with the point he is making. You haven't actually refuted the point, only the motivation for making it. To me his motivation is irrelevant if what he is saying has truth to it.

Hamsterchops

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Honestly it depends which way you look at it.

..representatives feel genuine sympathy for a Garda killed on duty, as long as it wasn't for "the cause", in which case some pretty vile acts can be justified.

Justified? You mean in their warped minds.

CrankyHaus wrote: »

The party has certainly evolved a lot since the 1970s and 1980s. It's unrealistic to assume we can come out of centuries of colonialism, and decades of the Troubles, without some messy hangovers from that history; like people who had connections to PIRA being in parliament, and possibly even government.

Oh for God's sake, that is total and utter tosh of the highes order. Colonisation by the evil Brits or the Vikings or the Normans or whoever, has absolutely nothing to do with celebrating the release of Garda Killers from jail in this state.

The murder of any Garda is a Capital offense.

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CrankyHaus

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Justified? You mean in their warped minds.

Exactly. That's what I was saying.

I was trying to explain another group's perspective to you, but you only want to grandstand. You have that in common with the Shinnerbots at least.

Hamsterchops

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Exactly. That's what I was saying.

I was trying to explain another group's perspective to you, but you only want to grandstand. You have that in common with the Shinnerbots at least.

I think you have the wrong end of the stick!

No grandstanding meant by highlighting the sheer hypocrisy & double speak of Sinn Fein, don't know why you would criticise me for saying that :cool:

blanch152

double jobbing wrote: »

Actually, they don't.

I decided to have a look on Twitter to see who had bothered passing comment.

Of the 10 random FF FG TD accounts I looked at, any that have what you might call an active presence passed their condolences.

While I didn't bother searching through the accounts of SF TD's, I heard at least Mary Lou and Martin Kenny pass comment in the media, so at least some in SF have covered themselves.

As far as I've ever understood, the Irish hard left doesn't seem to have party leaderships. The PBP AAA Rise whatever bloc, all their TD's seem to have a roughly equal billing. They all seem to be the party spokesman on, well, they only really have five issues don't they (housing, welfare, immigration, imaginary Garda brutality, Greta worship)

Amazingly (or probably not that amazingly), between the accounts of Paul Murphy, Brid Smith, Ruth Coppinger (thankfully no longer a TD but still seems to think she is one), Mick Barry, Clare Daly, Richard Boyd Barrett, not a single one of these saw fit to pass comment on the murder.

Combined, you could probably write a book of their pages worth of comments about their take on the George Floyd death, BLM and other flavours of said month.

Be nice to have a journalist put them on the spot and ask them for a comment. See if they're willing to condemn the murder of an officer of an organisation the dregs of humanity who vote for them despise.

Are you surprised?

People that only want to sow dissension in society and to foster division are not going to show much if any sympathy for the Gardai, as it doesn't help their cause.

LawBoy2018

How true are the rumblings as to why Stephen Silver wasn't fit to turn up for court (via webcam)? I hope it's just my neighbours being busybodies.