Provisional licence for driving to work

SpencerJC

I just bought a car and want to get my girlfriend insured on it. Thing is, she only has a provisional license at the moment and was hoping to use the car to drive to work (on her own). I was reading online that they have gotten stricter on the punishments if caught, can anyone verify this? She has a license that was issued outside of the EU and she has had this for a number of years, would this help her case at all? Thanks!!

afatbollix

They are very strict now on it.

They will take the car if caught.

Is the foreign licence a full licence? The government allow swapping of licences from certain countries, It might come under that list.

stargazer 68

The list is here of Countries outside the EU that you can swap over from

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/driver_licensing/exchanging_foreign_driving_permit.html#l1f4da

If her country is not on the list then she cannot drive unaccompanied on a learners permit.

SpencerJC

afatbollix wrote: »

They are very strict now on it.

They will take the car if caught.

Is the foreign licence a full licence? The government allow swapping of licences from certain countries, It might come under that list.

The license is a Brazillian one so no option for switching, unfortunately, I was just thinking with having a full license, this might cover her.

SpencerJC

stargazer 68 wrote: »

The list is here of Countries outside the EU that you can swap over from

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/driver_licensing/exchanging_foreign_driving_permit.html#l1f4da

If her country is not on the list then she cannot drive unaccompanied on a learners permit.

One thing she was going to do was swap the Brazillian license to a Portuguese one, as this is possible. I wonder if she could then swap the Portuguese one to an Irish.

MascotDec85

If I’m reading this correctly, she has a few Brazilian Licence and an Irish Learner Permit, yes?

If so, her Brazilian licence is essentially obsolete in Ireland. What I mean is you can’t pick and choose which licence/permit you are drive under. When she came to Ireland she was entitled to drive on the Brazilian one for a maximum period of a year. Once she took possession of the learner permit that’s the document she then uses and needs to abide by the associated rules/laws.

“Please Note: Once you obtain an Irish Learner Permit, this will take precedent over your full foreign driving licence and all rules & regulations pertaining to the holder of a learner permit applies / e.g., display of “L”plates, must be accompanied etc.,”

https://www.ndls.ie/holders-of-foreign-licences.html#holders-of-driving-licences-from-other-countries

silver2020

I always hates those pedantic types that have a holier than though attitude to spelling / use of words / grammar.

I drive a jeep (sorento) and clean carpets with a hoover (dyson). If I cut myself, I put a band-aid (boots plaster) on it and then relax in a jacuzzi (hot-tub with jets.

As for the OP, if she's stopped by gardai, car is taken off her on the spot. No ifs or buts, car taken. She will also be prosecuted. You will also be prosecuted as the owner of the car.

If she has an accident, whilst the 3rd party will be covered, she won't be.

There is very little waiting time for tests and if she can drive and has previously had a full licence elsewhere, then it won't be difficult to pass the test.

MascotDec85

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »

What's a provisional license?

No such thing exists in Ireland.

BTW, OP. License is a verb, licence is a noun.

MOD NOTE:

Unlike yourself, some people aren’t aware of the name change. There’s no need to reply in that manner.
In relation to the grammar, spelling lesson it’s added nothing to assist the OP and is pretty condescending tbh.

Please think before you post.

ARGINITE

SpencerJC wrote: »

One thing she was going to do was swap the Brazillian license to a Portuguese one, as this is possible. I wonder if she could then swap the Portuguese one to an Irish.

I don't see why not only issue I could see is swapping the Brazilian license to Portuguese as they might require proof of residency in Portugal.

Marcusm

SpencerJC wrote: »

One thing she was going to do was swap the Brazillian license to a Portuguese one, as this is possible. I wonder if she could then swap the Portuguese one to an Irish.

She would have to be living in Portugal for 6 months before she was eligible to exchange. She would not be able to exchange that licence for an Irish one as Brazil and Ireland do not have an exchange agreement. She could, however, use the Portuguese licence in Ireland for up to 10 years.

That's all irrelevant as she does not live in Portugal.

I would advise against travelling on a learner permit. She is presumably in Ireland on a time limited permission and criminal offences (such as driving unaccompanied) will not help when seeking to extend the permission or for naturalisation.

Marcusm

ARGINITE wrote: »

I don't see why not only issue I could see is swapping the Brazilian license to Portuguese as they might require proof of residency in Portugal.

Can't do a chain exchange like this if the beginning and end of the chain do not have an exchange agreement (such as is the case for Brazil and Ireland).

Wishbone Ash

ARGINITE wrote: »

I don't see why not only issue I could see is swapping the Brazilian license to Portuguese as they might require proof of residency in Portugal.

Whether it can be done or not is irrelevant now as she has an Irish Learner Permit. It is now her only driving document.

Mjolnir

No op she can't, if caught the car can be taken and she will be prosecuted, you will also be prosecuted for being the owner of the vechicle and allowing an unlicensed driver to drive it(yes they made that part of the law).

As mentioned we don't have learner licences anymore, they have been merely permits for a fair while but they are still referred to colloquially as a learner licence.

In regards the swapping to Portuguese licence she'd have to be a resident in Portugal for 185 days.
That seems a bit of a non runner for many reasons.

Option A) you accompany her and bring the car back when she's finished work she can drive home.

she risks it and as mentioned, yes the obvious flaunting of Irish laws will not be looked upon favourably if she wants to naturalise or renew a visa. Plus the risk of losing the car and both of you being fined as well as the cost of impound fees.

C) she waits until she has done her test.

Rodney Bathgate

Hope her car is crushed if she is caught driving unaccompanied.

Mjolnir

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Hope her car is crushed if she is caught driving unaccompanied.

Bit harsh

Rodney Bathgate

Mjolnir wrote: »

Bit harsh

Goes without saying that she can get out of the car before it is crushed.

Mjolnir

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Goes without saying that she can get out of the car before it is crushed.

Ah well then 😂

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS!

MascotDec85 wrote: »

MOD NOTE:

Unlike yourself, some people aren’t aware of the name change. There’s no need to reply in that manner.
In relation to the grammar, spelling lesson it’s added nothing to assist the OP and is pretty condescending tbh.

Please think before you post.

I'd like to apologise to the OP and anyone I've upset with my pedantry.
I've deleted the post. I should be more considerate of others.

MascotDec85

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Hope her car is crushed if she is caught driving unaccompanied.

MOD NOTE:

Another pointless post which doesn’t help the OP. Please refrain from these type of replies.

MascotDec85

OP I think you've had your answer. I'm closing this thread now before there are any further unhelpful posts