VW Tiguan - tax band?

Gaz

Specced up a Tiguan Allspace on the VW site and it states the emissions are 191 g/km3

Checking here says this would be €1200 per year.

Am I missing something ? I really wasnt expecting tax to be that high on a new car. Changing the engine to the 150hp petrol shows tax to be still high at €570.

I have seen some dealer ads online stating the tax is €280, so are they wrong or have I calculated it wrong ??

Miscreant

Gaz wrote: »

Specced up a Tiguan Allspace on the VW site and it states the emissions are 191 g/km3

Checking here says this would be €1200 per year.

Am I missing something ? I really wasnt expecting tax to be that high on a new car. Changing the engine to the 150hp petrol shows tax to be still high at €570.

I have seen some dealer ads online stating the tax is €280, so are they wrong or have I calculated it wrong ??

The highest emission Tiguan AllSpace that I can configure is the 2.0 TDI SCR 4MOTION 7 speed DSG at 181g/km. That works out at €750 for the year according to the motor tax website. Not sure where the €1200 is coming from as they don't have an engine with higher emissions.
That 2.0TDI engine also has 190bhp along with 4 wheel drive which will drive the emissions higher as a result.

Have you managed to configure something different? I literally went for the highest spec I could with the highest performance engine available to select on the website itself.

The standard Tiguan (Not AllSpace) has emissions as low as 142g/km which comes in at €390.

Not sure where the dealers are getting the €280 figure but perhaps it is to do with the change from NEDC to WLTP for emissions calculations? I know that some engines and specs have moved up the tax scale as a result because under the new testing regime, they are producing higher emissions.

Gaz

In the engine selection page of the configurator this is this highest spec



But then it shows as this in the final summary

colm_mcm

What does the little asterix number 3 relate to after the emissions figure?

Miscreant

Gaz wrote: »

In the engine selection page of the configurator this is this highest spec



But then it shows as this in the final summary

Which places it in tax band E (171-190g) which is €750.

Still not sure where a dealer is getting their low figure from though but according to the VW website, they are wrong.... Either that, or the VW website is incorrect.

Miscreant

colm_mcm wrote: »

What does the little asterix number 3 relate to after the emissions figure?

When you click on MORE INFO underneath to find the reference, it magically turns in to an asterix 1 instead, which is a long winded explanation of NEDC over WLTP and a disclaimer:

Disclaimer by Volkswagen
1.
The specified fuel consumption and emission data have been determined according to the measurement procedures prescribed by law. Since 1st September 2017, certain new vehicles are already being type-approved according to the Worldwide Harmonized Light Vehicles Test Procedure (WLTP), a more realistic test procedure for measuring fuel consumption and CO2- emissions. Starting on September 1st 2018, the New European Driving Cycle (NEDC) will be replaced by the WLTP in stages. Owing to the more realistic test conditions, the fuel consumption and CO2- emissions measured according to the WLTP will, in many cases, be higher than those measured according to the NEDC. .......... and more blah from VW after this.....

Gaz

Miscreant wrote: »

Which places it in tax band E (171-190g) which is €750.

If the final summary number is correct (191g) it pushes it into the next €1200 bracket, no ?
I just dont know which figure to trust.

I cant find the dealer one I referenced earlier, I suspect it was just an error on the site though.

colm_mcm

Tiguans registered so far.

Marcusm

Is it that the transition from NEDC to WLTP numbers is finished from 1 July? There had been various suggestions from the Tax Strategy Group last year to modify the bands so as not to penalise anyone. I don’t think anything got enacted. If WLTP is the only available number then that’s what has to be used.

Gaz

After specing the car again and going to the "more info" bit on the engine this is what is shows. Surely this is plain wrong, misleading and possibly illegal ?


Vehicle details

2.0 TDI SCR 4MOTION 140 kW (190 HP) 7 speed DSG (auto)
RRP € 58,326.40RRP € 58,326.40 ,

Technical data

WTI
WLTP Consumption and Emissions
What exactly is WLTP?
Diesel
Consumption Low
8.8 l/100km1
Consumption Medium
7.3 l/100km1
Consumption High
6.4 l/100km1
Consumption Extrahigh
7.6 l/100km1
Consumption Combined
7.3 l/100km1
Emission Combined
191 g/km1
NEDC Consumption and Emissions
Diesel
Fuel consumption - urban
6.4 l/100km1
Fuel consumption - extra-urban
5.1 l/100km1
Fuel consumption - combined
5.6 l/100km1
CO₂-emissions - combined
147 g/km1
Engine
Engine type
Four Cylinder diesel
Cubic capacity
2,0 / 1.968 cm³
Max. output
140,00 kW
Max. torque
400 Nm / 1900 - 3300 1/min
Fuel tank capacity
60 l
Emission class
EURO 6 DG
NOx emissions
54,4 mg/km
Gearbox
7 speed DSG (auto)
Performance
Top speed (where the law permits)
210 km/h
Acceleration, secs 0-100 KM/H
8,2 s
Weights
Unladen weight minimum (EU standard)
1.845 kg
Gross vehicle weight
2.540 kg
Payload
493 - 700 kg
Axle Load Limit Front /Rear
1.230 kg / 1.360 kg
Trailer load limits
Braked 12% incline
2.500 kg
Unbraked
750 kg
Max. roof load
75 kg
Exterior dimensions
Length minimum
4.705 mm
Width
1.859 mm
Heigth maximum (EU standard)
1.674 mm
Wheelbase
2.787 mm
Turning Circle
ca. 11.900 mm
Interior dimensions
Elbow width front/rear
1.503 mm / 1.500 mm
Boot capacity ltrs
- l / 700 l
Boot capacity ltrs (rear seats folded down)
1.775 l
Additional Information
VRT Rate
23%
VRT Band
C
Annual Road Tax
€ 390

colm_mcm

It also says 147 g/km

Gaz

Thats the NEDC value which is obsolete.

Miscreant

Gaz wrote: »

After specing the car again and going to the "more info" bit on the engine this is what is shows. Surely this is plain wrong, misleading and possibly illegal ?


Vehicle details

2.0 TDI SCR 4MOTION 140 kW (190 HP) 7 speed DSG (auto)
RRP € 58,326.40RRP € 58,326.40 ,

Technical data

WTI
WLTP Consumption and Emissions
What exactly is WLTP?
Diesel
Consumption Low
8.8 l/100km1
Consumption Medium
7.3 l/100km1
Consumption High
6.4 l/100km1
Consumption Extrahigh
7.6 l/100km1
Consumption Combined
7.3 l/100km1
Emission Combined
191 g/km1
NEDC Consumption and Emissions
Diesel
Fuel consumption - urban
6.4 l/100km1
Fuel consumption - extra-urban
5.1 l/100km1
Fuel consumption - combined
5.6 l/100km1
CO₂-emissions - combined
147 g/km1
..............
..............
VRT Rate
23%
VRT Band
C
Annual Road Tax
€ 390

So it looks like VW have taken account of the WLTP requirement but not updated their Motor Tax calculation accordingly then.

From doing a quick Google-ising, it looks like the WLTP measurements are used for motor tax since the 191 model year so from the configurator, you would be paying €1200 a year.

For the giggles, I went on to the Volkswagen UK website and they list the same model at 192g/km so not far off, in France it is listed as 181g/km and Germany has it at 176g/km. These are all the WLTP figures I could find without hitting every EU country. I guess the engines are in a slightly different level of tune depending on location?

In any case, if it is a vehicle that interests you and you are prepared to pay nearly €60k for it then does it really matter what the motor tax is? Are you buying it to save on pre-2008 motor tax on a greater than 3 litre car?

If it is something that interests you, then I would suggest you have a chat with a Volkswagen rep who can get the actual figures for you from the manufacturer. This should remove any ambiguity and help you decide on whether you want to take the plunge and buy it or not. Anything else on this forum will be guess work and conjecture (as is this post) based on information from a website that could be incorrect. Info from the horse's mouth is what I would be looking for at this stage.