Mazda MX-30 / Mazda MX-30 R-EV

liamog

Not seen any discussion about this one.
Could be another candidate for anybody looking for a small EV who doesn't mind a range closer to 200km than 300km.

According to this article from the Irish times target price is €32,295 after grants and VRT relief.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/mazda-mx-30-never-mind-the-low-range-feel-the-quality-1.4256331

ewj1978

Never knew Mazda went EV.

Doors are the same as the I3. Looks a bigger bus though. Should be interesting.

unkel

That's a great looking car in fairness. A bit pricey, but Mazda have moved up the quality ladder a good bit in recent years and I would nearly describe them as semi-premium now. A step up from the likes of Hyundai / Toyota at this stage. Hard to gauge what size it is, more like Kona or more like Niro?

And I have of course been saying it for years. Most EVs does not need to have a >60kWh battery even if it is the single family car for most people. We do need a better charging infrastructure though.

liamog

Apparently available in January 2021. 35.5 kWh battery, but I'm assuming with an advertised range of 200km they are sharing the total battery rather than usable.
There has been talk of including a rotary engine as a range extender in future versions.

adunis

Looks a contender to me,I'm of the same mind set as unkel re. range/infrastructure,also agree with his Mazda assesment.

JohnC.

Not much room in the back in those pictures.

Old diesel

I'd be wondering what the efficiency is like.

So is it a genuine all year 100 mile range car for example or is it going to drop to 85 to 90 miles if given the boot with full heat in winter.

Lumen

"People can quickly recharge the battery because it’s not so big"

Smaller battery cars do not charge faster, this statement is simply not true.

It would be almost unusable for long motorway journeys, you'd be stopping every hour for half an hour to top up from 10 to 80%, and that's with available chargers.

Of course many households have two cars and don't need both for road trips, but it's disingenuous to say that it isn't a limitation.

Tesla could maybe produce a 35kWh car that charges at 70kW average from 10 to 80%, but Mazda?

Del2005

Lumen wrote: »

"People can quickly recharge the battery because it’s not so big"

Smaller battery cars do not charge faster, this statement is simply not true.

It would be almost unusable for long motorway journeys, you'd be stopping every hour for half an hour to top up from 10 to 80%, and that's with available chargers.

Of course many households have two cars and don't need both for road trips, but it's disingenuous to say that it isn't a limitation.

Tesla could maybe produce a 35kWh car that charges at 70kW average from 10 to 80%, but Mazda?

The majority of trips in cars are well within the range it has. If you are doing regular long distances you don't buy a vehicle with short range.

Lumen

Del2005 wrote: »

The majority of trips in cars are well within the range it has. If you are doing regular long distances you don't buy a vehicle with short range.

Which makes it a good candidate for one car in a household, but not the only car.

unkel

I've had a car with less range than this one as the only family car for 3 years. No problems. We are in Dublin though, all family is in Dublin (or abroad) and all work is too. We rarely need to go beyond the range of the car and on the few occasions we did, we destination charged overnight. Or very rarely needed to use the public fast charging network (a handful of times over 3 years)

I'd say many people in the Dublin area are the same. Most people I observe stick €20 worth of fuel into their car when they fill up. That doesn't give any more range than that of an EV with a very small battery. Says it all...

Old diesel

unkel wrote: »

I've had a car with less range than this one as the only family car for 3 years. No problems. We are in Dublin though, all family is in Dublin (or abroad) and all work is too. We rarely need to go beyond the range of the car and on the few occasions we did, we destination charged overnight. Or very rarely needed to use the public fast charging network (a handful of times over 3 years)

I'd say many people in the Dublin area are the same. Most people I observe stick €20 worth of fuel into their car when they fill up. That doesn't give any more range than that of an EV with a very small battery. Says it all...

The Ioniq is a very efficient car.

If the Mazda's real world range is as good as Ioniq 28 then it's not a bad price at all imo.

unkel

Old diesel wrote: »

The Ioniq is a very efficient car.

If the Mazda's real world range is as good as Ioniq 28 then it's not a bad price at all imo.

WLTP range is expected to be 200km. That's the same as Ioniq 28

Linky

liamog

I'm looking at the numbers on EVDB real range, they adapt the figures a little bit. The Ioniq figure seems reasonable

Ioniq 28: 195km
Mini Cooper SE: 185km
Mazda MX-30: 180km
Honda E: 200km

who_ru

https://youtu.be/v_kB2BWdU9M

autogefuhl review - overall very positive. it's probably the best spec'd EV for the price i would say. rear door set up may not be to everyone's liking.

Looks to be more room in the i3, her old man is 6 foot 5 and has no issues sitting in the back of the i3.

Where's the Rex like PHEV they were supposed to release ?

Normal One

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mVHNTl3t1s

Bob delivers another review!

kanuseeme

Deleted User wrote: »

Where's the Rex like PHEV they were supposed to release ?

Mazda MX-30 With Rotary Engine to be sold in the US, does not give much details like when or charging speeds, but it seems to have the 35 kWh battery.

https://insideevs.com/news/464599/mazda-mx-30-rotary-engine-us/

I seem to remember something on TV about Mazda drivers with rotary engines greeting each other on the road with fingers held high representing how many engines they had replaced :D:D

Miscreant

kanuseeme wrote: »

I seem to remember something on TV about Mazda drivers with rotary engines greeting each other on the road with fingers held high representing how many engines they had replaced :D:D

That'll have been about the NSU Ro80 when it was available many years ago. They went bust partially because of all the warranty replacement engines they had to give out (and then Mazda bought them over I believe). Mazda has not been too bad in this area and rotary engines are better known about nowadays so there are specialists out there who can take care of them.
Strange that they are going with a small rotary as a generator for the PHEV though, surely that would not be particularly fuel efficient, even if operating at a constant RPM?

80sDiesel

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/mazda-mx-30-r-ev-revives-rotary-power-range-boosted-phev

Looking forward to the reviews.

liamog

I feel like Mazda are 7 years too late bringing a range extended EV to the market. It will be a good option for some people, but that battery seems very small.

80sDiesel

I would recomend ot to my mid 70s mum who wants to go electric but would not be comfortable for those long journeys to be looking for a charger. ( or using one )

liamog

We'll be cursing them charging on DC chargers, they max out at 36kW and will spend 25 minutes doing it.

MichaelR

The hybrid version (R-EV) looks VERY interesting to me. I really wanted such a car to come out - a series plug-in hybrid that would have about 100 km EV range. This sorts out short drives in BEV mode (and can be fully charged in the short "EV window" of smart meter EV plans) while providing loads of petrol range for longer journeys, all with the same electric motor experience with instant torque and without the extra moving parts of two drivetrains as in a typical (parallel) PHEV. And it's a Mazda, not a Merc nor a BMW, so it should not have the cost of purchase and of ownership associated with the premium brands.

Is there any real life feedback on it already?

This one hits the nail as far as I can see:

https://youtu.be/qo8uBIT8tQM?si=e8LV_o7cntkoLZ6V

Synopsis: Nice car but the battery is way smaller than in the EV version and when the rotary kicks in it absolutely drinks fuel so markedly uneconomical to run on long trips.

Redfox25

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121995394#Comment_121995394

You might want to check mazda prices, they are no longer a reasonable priced car, if they ever were.

Have you looked at recent evs before you go hybrid?