Recommend a car

Faiche Ro

Hi, I’m in the market for a new car looking to tap into the vast knowledge available on this forum to narrow in on what would be the best fit for me....

Wish list
Comfortable for 1.5 hour commute each way (3 days a week, all motorway).
economical on fuel
Automatic
Convenient for loading/unloading child seats
Large boot (Buggy, golf clubs)
Preference for raised seating position (crossover/ SUV height)

Electric charge points available at both ends of commute but not sure I need to go electric just yet if only commuting 2 or 3 days a week.

Looks wise I like the kodiaq or the Tiguan. Budget wise I’d be trying to keep it around the 30k mark.
The dream would be the GLE Class!!

Thanks in advance.

Idbatterim

I'd go electric of possible, colossal fuel and diesel related issues savings...

Faiche Ro

Idbatterim wrote: »

I'd go electric of possible, colossal fuel and diesel related issues savings...

Ya I will eventually, I just don’t think the options are great right now. The Niro is just too small for the price.
I know VW are bringing out an electric version of the Tiguan (or very similar to it) soon but I’m not sure if I can wait

Idbatterim

Tesla bringing out model y, would be perfect for you, think it arrives next year. If that were of interest, , I'd buy a near zero depreciation diesel and move to electric in year or two

Faiche Ro

Idbatterim wrote: »

Tesla bringing out model y, would be perfect for you, think it arrives next year. If that were of interest, , I'd buy a near zero depreciation diesel and move to electric in year or two

Thanks, would the Tesla not be massive money like the current models?

punisher5112

I'd be looking Audi A6, Skoda superb, be Passat or cc, Renault Laguna, megane or fluence all depends on what your budget is of course and what size you need....

Kia ceed would also be an option then your going into cross overs and SUV types....

Faiche Ro

punisher5112 wrote: »

I'd be looking Audi A6, Skoda superb, be Passat or cc, Renault Laguna, megane or fluence all depends on what your budget is of course and what size you need....

Kia ceed would also be an option then your going into cross overs and SUV types....

Thanks, ya I’ve been reading a lot of threads about cars for commuting and those options are the ones mentioned most alright but I was hoping to get something in the crossover/SUV category so wondering what would be the best in that range

Philb76

Seat ateca 2litre tdi is very good and unlike a lot of crossovers sensibly priced

Faiche Ro

Philb76 wrote: »

Seat ateca 2litre tdi is very good and unlike a lot of crossovers sensibly priced

Are they fairly economical?

punisher5112

Faiche Ro wrote: »

Are they fairly economical?

Well yes for an SUV, when you start increase height and weight this will be a hit one will have to take....

bazz26

The Ateca will have similar fuel economy to the Tiguan as they share alot of components including engines.

Shefwedfan

No Crossover has a large boot. How many kids have you got? do you want to carry a buggy and golf clubs at the same time?

punisher5112

Id still say A6 or Superb....I know I know SUV wanted but these are nice places to be....

Mondeo would be another.

newirishman

Drove a new Toyota RAV4 hybrid recently for a few weeks, and about 4000km.
Cannot recommend it enough. Very spacious, comfortable, economical. Nice car to be in.

Shefwedfan

newirishman wrote: »

Drove a new Toyota RAV4 hybrid recently for a few weeks, and about 4000km.
Cannot recommend it enough. Very spacious, comfortable, economical. Nice car to be in.

Starts closer to 40k new for the new model. The old model, the interior is a serious set down.



For someone driving constantly on motorway I wouldn't buy a hybrid. Plus you can't charge it

Philb76

Faiche Ro wrote: »

Are they fairly economical?

Not bad definitely better than the Hyundai and kia alternatives from experience but they are not going to be as economical as something like a skoda superb

Shefwedfan

Philb76 wrote: »

Not bad definitely better than the Hyundai and kia alternatives from experience but they are not going to be as economical as something like a skoda superb

The OP asked for a Crossover. How many recommendation will they have to get for a Superb?

colm_mcm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The OP asked for a Crossover. How many recommendation will they have to get for a Superb?

OP gave a list of requirements to be fair, one of those being a preference for raised seating.
I think it’s a fair point to make ref fuel economy.

Shefwedfan

colm_mcm wrote: »

OP gave a list of requirements to be fair, one of those being a preference for raised seating.

Yes and then replied to a comment about cars and said they would prefer a crossover. Still posts about Superb

Shefwedfan

To the OP. Ok I have had a number of Crossover. Most in this bracket are not really SUV's. My experience

* Really the questions about how many kids you have and plan to have is the critical one on any of these.

Qashqai: Great car, decent price. We had for 4 years. Bought with no kids, then have 2 and struggled for boot space. Put a buggy in the boot and it is full :-) We bought in 2012 and my mate told me to go for the Qashqai+2 not for the seats but for boot space and really we should have. But it was solid as a rock. Bad battery which seems to be common across Nissan but apart from that worked like clockwork. Was nice to drive and done what it said on tin

Tiguan: The one that got away. At the time of buying the Qashqai we tested this, it was lovely to drive. They only had low spec in stock and I had to order so bought the Qashqai. I think we just spent the whole time saying we would have preferred the Tiguan. Test drove the new model recently. Beautiful, but I warn you I am a VW fan. Also tested the TIguan Allspace, beautiful as well, bigger boot. Will be hard to find in price range

X-Trail: had one for a few months and brother bought one. You can get a 5 seater which are very rare but most people just buy the 7 seater. Y9ou might think that is too big but my comment on Qashqai +2. So the X-Trail is based on Qashqai, so going with this will give you bigger interior(marginally) but also the bigger boot. You can use the 7 seats the odd time if required. Same engine as the Qashqai. Brother does huge milage and is knocking around 5-6ltr/100km which is good. THis might be a good option. For your money you will get a high spec fairly new one.

Tiguan Allspare/Kodiaq/Tarraco: All the same vehicle, just different interior. The Skoda is a step down from the other but loads on market so might get in budget second hand. THe other two are better but newer and yiu will struggle to get second hadn in budget

THen you have loads and loads of 5 seaters similar to Qashqai. Every manufacturer has one. All of them have similar sized boots so thats why that is critical. They will all do around the same ltr/100km. Not much in difference.

On electric, I have tested the Kia Niro. THey are nice to drive, decent spec but are small. Like my eGolf was not a whole pile smaller in terms of height etc. You will need circa 37k

The VW ID version of the Tiguan will be out. It wont be 30k, I am waiting for it to replace eGolf. Shots so far look lovely. Expect to start at 40k

masterboy123

Skoda Karoq

Volvo XC40

Seat Ateca

WV Tiguan R-line

Faiche Ro

Thanks for all the responses so far guys - some great detail - especially the wednesday fan!!

(funny that another 'superb' argument has broken out - as i said i did a good bit of reading on this forum and the superb seems to nearly cause as many rolley eyes as the option of going electric!. Its a fair point though and if fuel economy becomes more important than the raised seating position id be going for a superb estate alright)

Ya im looking at a 7 seater alright purely for the boot space - it will be common to be heading up the country to the in-laws with buggy, bags, golf clubs so boot space is important. I'll likely wait until the turn of the year to pull the trigger on this and hopefully i'll be able to get a good tiguan all space/kodiaq for a decent price then.

Shefwedfan

Faiche Ro wrote: »

Thanks for all the responses so far guys - some great detail - especially the wednesday fan!!

(funny that another 'superb' argument has broken out - as i said i did a good bit of reading on this forum and the superb seems to nearly cause as many rolley eyes as the option of going electric!. Its a fair point though and if fuel economy becomes more important than the raised seating position id be going for a superb estate alright)

Ya im looking at a 7 seater alright purely for the boot space - it will be common to be heading up the country to the in-laws with buggy, bags, golf clubs so boot space is important. I'll likely wait until the turn of the year to pull the trigger on this and hopefully i'll be able to get a good tiguan all space/kodiaq for a decent price then.

The Allspace is lowest at 32k so you might be in luck. That is 2018. I would expect dealers will be mental for a deal at the moment so negotiate hard.



https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/volkswagen/tiguan-allspace/fpa/202002107168226?journey=Search


This is a nice 2019 model

Faiche Ro

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The Allspace is lowest at 32k so you might be in luck. That is 2018. I would expect dealers will be mental for a deal at the moment so negotiate hard.



https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/volkswagen/tiguan-allspace/fpa/202002107168226?journey=Search


This is a nice 2019 model

Ya i was actually looking at that model this morning - definitely one of the best value all spaces available at the moment with that mileage

bazz26

Seat Tarraco is worth looking at too, it's mechanically identical to the Tiguan Allspace and Skoda Kodiaq:

https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2459439&r=s.php%3Fm%3D78%26o%3D2691%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

Faiche Ro

bazz26 wrote: »

Seat Tarraco is worth looking at too, it's mechanically identical to the Tiguan Allspace and Skoda Kodiaq:

https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2459439&r=s.php%3Fm%3D78%26o%3D2691%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

Ya the body of it is very similar to the Q7, but I can’t stand the seats in it for some reason.

Shefwedfan

THe Tiguan is auto. If you can go with auto.

Lantus

The shape and weight of a larger suv style compromises fuel efficiency hence the superb recommendation.

So if your really into the suv you need to be pragmatic about fuel costs and honest about your driving style and right foot passion and budget accordingly. Even so its a slight uplift in the grand scheme.

I'd look at a 2 year old kodiaq. Ateca, tiguan. All great cars and you should get all three if your flexible. A well spec'd car above even a skoda is mid to high 30s new plus the fashion premium as they are desirable and in demand.

Lantus

Faiche Ro wrote: »

Ya I will eventually, I just don’t think the options are great right now. The Niro is just too small for the price.
I know VW are bringing out an electric version of the Tiguan (or very similar to it) soon but I’m not sure if I can wait

Dead right. For your requirements there are a handful of cars that will do the range at motorway speed and you will pay handsomely for less well refined interiors than a cheaper ice car equivalent. It's a money save if you normally had 40 to 50k anyway to spend. For the average Joe soap it doesn't add up. Hybrid is even worse due to the massive cost premium to save a few cent on fuel.

Ford want 10k more for their new kuga hybrid so you can get a 1 or 2 l per 100km saving. At 2k a year diesel you won't break even for 5 years and that assumes you don't put 1 cent of petrol in the hybrid and all the electricity is free. Even if you halved your fuel bill to 1000eu using elec that's an 8 year plus pay back before the savings kick in....... Wow....

Shefwedfan

Lantus wrote: »

The shape and weight of a larger suv style compromises fuel efficiency hence the superb recommendation.

So if your really into the suv you need to be pragmatic about fuel costs and honest about your driving style and right foot passion and budget accordingly. Even so its a slight uplift in the grand scheme.

I'd look at a 2 year old kodiaq. Ateca, tiguan. All great cars and you should get all three if your flexible. A well spec'd car above even a skoda is mid to high 30s new plus the fashion premium as they are desirable and in demand.

How much would a Superb save? Superb is 4.3 to 9.3 based on Skoda website.



The Tiguan has 5.9ltr/100km.


Yes the superb will be better but maybe what maximum 1ltr/100 km in real driving terms. So if you do 10,000 miles per year you might* be saving 120 quid.



The SUV benefit will be worth far more that 120-150 quid. Especially on your poor old back and trying to fight everyday to put a child into a car.

Lantus

Shefwedfan wrote: »

How much would a Superb save? Superb is 4.3 to 9.3 based on Skoda website.



The Tiguan has 5.9ltr/100km.


Yes the superb will be better but maybe what maximum 1ltr/100 km in real driving terms. So if you do 10,000 miles per year you might* be saving 120 quid.



The SUV benefit will be worth far more that 120-150 quid. Especially on your poor old back and trying to fight everyday to put a child into a car.

Yes as I said fuel is a small part of a cars overall purchase. If you can afford 30k on a car......

Back and seats are subjective. The world has had non suvs for 50 plus years and there are no hospitals full of people with broken backs.

I've raised 2 small ones and don't recall this fight even with a lower car.

Faiche Ro

Shefwedfan wrote: »

How much would a Superb save? Superb is 4.3 to 9.3 based on Skoda website.



The Tiguan has 5.9ltr/100km.


Yes the superb will be better but maybe what maximum 1ltr/100 km in real driving terms. So if you do 10,000 miles per year you might* be saving 120 quid.



The SUV benefit will be worth far more that 120-150 quid. Especially on your poor old back and trying to fight everyday to put a child into a car.

Thats a great point and they are the real numbers that i would love to know - How much extra is the "SUV" going to cost me in fuel terms in real world driving.

Shefwedfan

Lantus wrote: »

Dead right. For your requirements there are a handful of cars that will do the range at motorway speed and you will pay handsomely for less well refined interiors than a cheaper ice car equivalent. It's a money save if you normally had 40 to 50k anyway to spend. For the average Joe soap it doesn't add up. Hybrid is even worse due to the massive cost premium to save a few cent on fuel.

Ford want 10k more for their new kuga hybrid so you can get a 1 or 2 l per 100km saving. At 2k a year diesel you won't break even for 5 years and that assumes you don't put 1 cent of petrol in the hybrid and all the electricity is free. Even if you halved your fuel bill to 1000eu using elec that's an 8 year plus pay back before the savings kick in....... Wow....

I always say pick your fuel and then your car. Depending on your requirements any of the fuel types might work. For the OP really diesel is best option at the moment because Electric is limited options

thereitisgone

Fiat Ritmo

Shefwedfan

Faiche Ro wrote: »

Thats a great point and they are the real numbers that i would love to know - How much extra is the "SUV" going to cost me in fuel terms in real world driving.

Huge amount is guess work but the days of huge dfifferences between cars and Crossovers are long gone.


The way people go on here you would think your saving thousands but your not. Just an obsession with some posters about the Superb just because they bought one.

What your yearly mileage?

Lantus

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I always say pick your fuel and then your car. Depending on your requirements any of the fuel types might work. For the OP really diesel is best option at the moment because Electric is limited options

I'd do the opposite! Get the right car to meet your requirements and needs. Then see if the fuel options coincide.

Letting fuel dictate all other needs and requirements is just bonkers.

Faiche Ro

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Huge amount is guess work but the days of huge dfifferences between cars and Crossovers are long gone.


The way people go on here you would think your saving thousands but your not. Just an obsession with some posters about the Superb just because they bought one.

What your yearly mileage?

in the process of re-locating but everything is a bit up in the air because of Covid so i might be able to work from home more but i might have been looking at about 40K a year.

Shefwedfan

Lantus wrote: »

I'd do the opposite! Get the right car to meet your requirements and needs. Then see if the fuel options coincide.

Letting fuel dictate all other needs and requirements is just bonkers.

Ypu recommend a Superb based on fuel economy and next statement is you pick a car then worry about fuel. Both statements dont add up you know

Philb76

Shefwedfan wrote: »

How much would a Superb save? Superb is 4.3 to 9.3 based on Skoda website.



The Tiguan has 5.9ltr/100km.


Yes the superb will be better but maybe what maximum 1ltr/100 km in real driving terms. So if you do 10,000 miles per year you might* be saving 120 quid.



The SUV benefit will be worth far more that 120-150 quid. Especially on your poor old back and trying to fight everyday to put a child into a car.

I put both my children in the back of a superb and it was never a fight and if you read posts properly I suggested the ateca and not a superb as has already been said the op asked about economy of an SUV

Lantus

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Ypu recommend a Superb based on fuel economy and next statement is you pick a car then worry about fuel. Both statements dont add up you know

OP wanted a reliable motorway cruiser with good family space for kids and had reasonable economy for 30k. But suv is a requirement so ateca, kodiaq and tiguan are probably good options. On back of that the 3008 and 5008 as well? Great looking cars in class.

drunkmonkey

Personally I'd prefer something a bit more slipstreamed for a daily motorway jaunt, what's driving the need for an SUV, your ruling out a lot of comfortable and nicer to drive cruisers.

Faiche Ro

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Personally I'd prefer something a bit more slipstreamed for a daily motorway jaunt, what's driving the need for an SUV, your ruling out a lot of comfortable and nicer to drive cruisers.

What would you go for?

I suppose 2 things, the higher seating position is better for my hip and the large boot on the 7 seaters

Shefwedfan

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Personally I'd prefer something a bit more slipstreamed for a daily motorway jaunt, what's driving the need for an SUV, your ruling out a lot of comfortable and nicer to drive cruisers.

What 7 seater car would you recommend?

Pkiernan

Guys, the biggest issue with the Superb is not that's it's a car...its that it's a Skoda...

Friends don't let friends drive Skodas.

Shefwedfan

Faiche Ro wrote: »

What would you go for?

I suppose 2 things, the higher seating position is better for my hip and the large boot on the 7 seaters

Just go with the Crossover/SUV.



Your choices
Peugeot: 5008 which has advantage that you get 3 full sized seats in back so you can put in 3 car seats.



VW
Tiguan Allspace, Tarraco, Kodiaq. All the same car with different interiors with Skoda the basement model


NIssan X-Trail: Based on hugely successful Qashqai. 7 seats and good bang for your buck.


Others but they are the main ones

Lantus

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Just go with the Crossover/SUV.



Your choices
Peugeot: 5008 which has advantage that you get 3 full sized seats in back so you can put in 3 car seats.



VW
Tiguan Allspace, Tarraco, Kodiaq. All the same car with different interiors with Skoda the basement model


NIssan X-Trail: Based on hugely successful Qashqai. 7 seats and good bang for your buck.


Others but they are the main ones

2nd the 5008. Its a class looking 7 seater which can take 8ft timber and has 3 large independant seats on middle row. You can get a gt line for 30k in 2018. 33 to 35k for 2019 version.