Riker and his women

Bobtheman

Just an observation but how come Riker was allowed chase lower offer tail ?
Was there not some protocol?

Inviere

"This may have been true in the 22nd century, but by the 23rd century it was no longer true. Leonard McCoy told Kirk that "there aren't any regulations against romance" (TOS: "Space Seed") and in the 24th century Picard mentioned to Deanna Troi that "there are no Starfleet regulations about a captain becoming involved with a fellow officer." (TNG: "Lessons") William T. Riker and Troi continued to serve aboard the Enterprise and later the USS Titan, even after being married. (Star Trek Nemesis)"

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Starfleet_General_Orders_and_Regulations

Two consenting adults keeping things professional when it needed to be, and personal at other times, doesn't seem to be an issue. Several of the crew had relationships of this sort, why single out Riker?

Sad Professor

Starfleet may not have had regulations against it, but duty-bound officers like Picard (see his relationships with Crusher & Nella Darren) clearly considered it unwise.

Bobtheman

What happens about evaluations? Crew ?

TheValeyard

No woman could resist the Riker chair manoeuvre

Evade

They were all poor substitutes for the one the one true love of his life, Minuet.

TheValeyard

Evade wrote: »

They were all poor substitutes for the one the one true love of his life, Minuet.

She be 60 now

nyarlothothep

TheValeyard wrote: »

She be 60 now

She's looking pretty good for 60

TheValeyard

nyarlothothep wrote: »

She's looking pretty good for 60

Googling.

Edit: yep. Definitely would.

Rawr

TheValeyard wrote: »

No woman could resist the Riker chair manoeuvre

Smegging hell

Inviere wrote: »

"This may have been true in the 22nd century, but by the 23rd century it was no longer true. Leonard McCoy told Kirk that "there aren't any regulations against romance" (TOS: "Space Seed") and in the 24th century Picard mentioned to Deanna Troi that "there are no Starfleet regulations about a captain becoming involved with a fellow officer." (TNG: "Lessons") William T. Riker and Troi continued to serve aboard the Enterprise and later the USS Titan, even after being married. (Star Trek Nemesis)"

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Starfleet_General_Orders_and_Regulations

Two consenting adults keeping things professional when it needed to be, and personal at other times, doesn't seem to be an issue. Several of the crew had relationships of this sort, why single out Riker?

I watched the DS9 episode Melora yesterday and there was a conversation in a runabout scene about romance in Starfleet. Dax mentions Starfleet relationships as difficult but possible.

Inviere

Smegging hell wrote: »

I watched the DS9 episode Melora yesterday and there was a conversation in a runabout scene about romance in Starfleet. Dax mentions Starfleet relationships as difficult but possible.

Yeah that's another example. It's probably not a great idea as a CO as pointed out earlier in the thread, but there's nothing strictly forbidding it.

nyarlothothep

Saw Riker today enjoying two holographic ladies play the harp for his amusement, thought it was funny. Couldn't find it online except for this, but it gets the idea across

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HldjDLlEYI

Also notice how Riker immediately starts flirting with Janeway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyyMPIuXrqw

Spon Farmer

Sad Professor wrote: »

Starfleet may not have had regulations against it, but duty-bound officers like Picard (see his relationships with Crusher & Nella Darren) clearly considered it unwise.

Having relationships complicates things.

Riker wasn't having relationships - he was riding.

Spon Farmer

Bobtheman wrote: »

Just an observation but how come Riker was allowed chase lower offer tail ?
Was there not some protocol?

At no point in the series or movie does Riker get a leg over, or show interest in a bird with a tail. :mad:

I'm sure he would have if the given the opportunity but he wasn't....:o

You're thinking of Kirk in Into Darkness.

jim-mcdee

Strange how past tense is being used by posters when this is all things that happen in the future

Spon Farmer

jim-mcdee wrote: »

Strange how past tense is being used by posters when this is all things that happen in the future

This thread is about riding, not the science.

Stay on topic please.

Johnny Storm

In the TNG ep "First Contact" (not the movie, obvs) Riker was literally able to ride his way out of captivity.
Excellent and often overlooked episode imho.....

Lyan

Riker was a dirty slut.

It may have been allowed but he came off as unprofessional at times. I believe they wanted him to be a Kirk-esque hero type but this part of his character just made me lose respect for him.

Spon Farmer

Johnny Storm wrote: »

In the TNG ep "First Contact" (not the movie, obvs) Riker was literally able to ride his way out of captivity.
Excellent and often overlooked episode imho.....

That was a great episode. Would love to have seen that story on a much larger scale.

“ I’ll look you up the next time I’m passing through your star system”

Evade

You know, that might not make a bad series. A specialist first contact team, you could have a new species every season.

Spon Farmer

Lyan wrote: »

Riker was a dirty slut.

It may have been allowed but he came off as unprofessional at times. I believe they wanted him to be a Kirk-esque hero type but this part of his character just made me lose respect for him.

He wasn’t dirty. Not one STI on the man.

When exactly was Riker unprofessional as a result of sex?

I don’t think the sex was intended to make him Kirk-like. Kirk often used sex to take advantage of a woman or situation. I don’t Riker ever did that - in fact take the above mentioned First Contact where he was coerced into sex in order to gain his freedom. Riker simply had sex because he enjoyed it not to advance his mission and it never affected his duty on the ship.

Spon Farmer

Evade wrote: »

You know, that might not make a bad series. A specialist first contact team, you could have a new species every season.

I don’t know about an ongoing series with a new world every year (how many ways can first contact go tits up before we realise this team is not very good at its job)
but that would make a great mini series or an ongoing series on one worlds

A handful of anthropologist, physicists etc are dropped if by a starship and they try to live as the aliens to see if they are ready to meet the Federation. All goes arse ways when they discover something is interfering with the natural development and they try to save the planet.

Or an agent of the planets security force discovers something and begins to uncover this alien invasion.

Think The Americans mixed with Travellers and X-Files

And the aliens are actual aliens. Not humans with enlarged earlobes.

Lyan

Spon Farmer wrote: »

He wasn’t dirty. Not one STI on the man.

When exactly was Riker unprofessional as a result of sex?

I don’t think the sex was intended to make him Kirk-like. Kirk often used sex to take advantage of a woman or situation. I don’t Riker ever did that - in fact take the above mentioned First Contact where he was coerced into sex in order to gain his freedom. Riker simply had sex because he enjoyed it not to advance his mission and it never affected his duty on the ship.

Nah I'm sure Riker is full of space AIDS by now.

I think Riker's sexiness/Casanova aspect is certainly intended to give him the appearance of a popular action hero. Basically a Kirk. He was meant to offset the high-culture/diplomat personality of Picard after all.
Off the top of my head there is the episode where he gets involved with the leader of that female supremecist planet where the men are oppressed. Sleeping with a head of state while on a mission to an alien planet and wearing the clothes of a gigolo was pretty questionable.

Evade

It wouldn't have to be big, sinister world ending scenarios every time. In fact that's probably one of the problems with the current iterations. More mundane problems like a planet of low level telepaths that require focus to not set off alien panic or uncommon body types that require a holographic shroud or something.

Evade

Lyan wrote: »

Nah I'm sure Riker is full of space AIDS by now.

When Doctor Crusher said "Will Riker brought it back from Risa" in the Game it sounded like she had said it more than a few times before.

Spon Farmer

Lyan wrote: »

Nah I'm sure Riker is full of space AIDS by now.

I think Riker's sexiness/Casanova aspect is certainly intended to give him the appearance of a popular action hero. Basically a Kirk. He was meant to offset the high-culture/diplomat personality of Picard after all.
Off the top of my head there is the episode where he gets involved with the leader of that female supremecist planet where the men are oppressed. Sleeping with a head of state while on a mission to an alien planet and wearing the clothes of a gigolo was pretty questionable.

Space Aids was cured decades before. How do you think Kirk lived so long?

Did Riker sleep with that bird? I’m sure he rode her (or she rode him or they rode each other) but sleep with her? I’m pretty sure Riker just takes off when he is done.

What was questionable about it all?

Spon Farmer

Evade wrote: »

It wouldn't have to be big, sinister world ending scenarios every time. In fact that's probably one of the problems with the current iterations. More mundane problems like a planet of low level telepaths that require focus to not set off alien panic or uncommon body types that require a holographic shroud or something.

No it doesn’t have to be sinister - perhaps the agents are discovered themselves or they try to prevent an environmental disaster without the aliens discovering the. or Starfleet becoming aware the my violates the Prime Directive.

Lyan

Spon Farmer wrote: »

Space Aids was cured decades before. How do you think Kirk lived so long?

Did Riker sleep with that bird? I’m sure he rode her (or she rode him or they rode each other) but sleep with her? I’m pretty sure Riker just takes off when he is done.

What was questionable about it all?

No doubt! I'm sure Dr Crusher had to keep a large stock of the cure at all times.

That promiscuous part of his character is part of what makes me lose respect for him. I mean fast and easy womanizers don't exactly make for role models.

It's very questionable. Do I really need to spell it out? Entering sexual relations with the leader of a tyrannical regime while on an away mission to enter diplomacy with said leader. It speaks for itself.

Spon Farmer

Lyan wrote: »

No doubt! I'm sure Dr Crusher had to keep a large stock of the cure at all times.

That promiscuous part of his character is part of what makes me lose respect for him. I mean fast and easy womanizers don't exactly make for role models.

It's very questionable. Do I really need to spell it out? Entering sexual relations with the leader of a tyrannical regime while on an away mission to enter diplomacy with said leader. It speaks for itself.

Fast and easy womaniser is actually a good role model for people who want to be like they too.

Did Riker know yer wan was a tyrant when he opened her up to for diplomatic relations?

Regardless Riker saved lives and had a positive impact on the society by mounting himself on the leader and softening her up for cheatgrass

How many birds did Riker pork in the series?

odyssey06

Riker with the beard is from mirror universe right? That explains the change in personality and metoo approach to female ensigns...

CIARAN_BOYLE

Lyan wrote: »

No doubt! I'm sure Dr Crusher had to keep a large stock of the cure at all times.

That promiscuous part of his character is part of what makes me lose respect for him. I mean fast and easy womanizers don't exactly make for role models.

It's very questionable. Do I really need to spell it out? Entering sexual relations with the leader of a tyrannical regime while on an away mission to enter diplomacy with said leader. It speaks for itself.

For me I dont care about the promiscuity but rather the fact that he had a background relationship that kept being referred to with troi.

They refer to their background through out the series calling each other by their betazoid beloved imzadi pet name.

She is an empath and can probably sense riker ****ing some girl but an episode or two later he is calling her beloved or she is calling him beloved.

That relationship always struck me as messed up and I was disappointed that they ended up tiring the knot.

Edit: I'm aware they are supposed to be exes for tng but I dont think I've ever called an ex beloved or similar. Also I'm pretty sure if I had an ex that could sense emotions or if I could sense emotions I definitely would not want to be on the same ship as an ex.

CIARAN_BOYLE

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

For me I dont care about the promiscuity but rather the fact that he had a background relationship that kept being referred to with troi.

They refer to their background through out the series calling each other by their betazoid beloved imzadi pet name.

She is an empath and can probably sense riker ****ing some girl but an episode or two later he is calling her beloved or she is calling him beloved.

That relationship always struck me as messed up and I was disappointed that they ended up tiring the knot.

The relationship was a lot more full on in the xxx parodies.

odyssey06

There was a TNG tie in novel, Imzadi, thought it did a great job imagining a back story for the romance.

Lyan

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

For me I dont care about the promiscuity but rather the fact that he had a background relationship that kept being referred to with troi.

They refer to their background through out the series calling each other by their betazoid beloved imzadi pet name.

She is an empath and can probably sense riker ****ing some girl but an episode or two later he is calling her beloved or she is calling him beloved.

That relationship always struck me as messed up and I was disappointed that they ended up tiring the knot.

Edit: I'm aware they are supposed to be exes for tng but I dont think I've ever called an ex beloved or similar. Also I'm pretty sure if I had an ex that could sense emotions or if I could sense emotions I definitely would not want to be on the same ship as an ex.

That seems to be a more general problem with TNG in that some episode writers appear to have never watched the show before.

the_syco

Riker tries to get Picard laid :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snbGOCdM1Ks

Bad music, but lists a few of his women;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHDYZjaqofs

Bobtheman

I always thought they didnt write the Troi/ Riker thing right .Actually they never really developed any real romantic relationships on the ship. All diasterous. They just seemed to throw in the word/ Troi thing at end.
Realistically somebody should have had a long term relationship on the bridge crew or an occasional friends with benefits. Though perhaps the holodeck took care of a lot of frustration?!
Picard / crusher went nowhere but in the novels they have a kid and then hey presto no mention of her in the Picard series.
I know canon vs non canon but I thought it worth preserving.
Especially given the 10 year gap between nemisis and Picard.
What did they expect the novel writers to do with him over a decade??

Evade

Data had a thing for security officers.