Chassis swap, changes the age?

swarlb

Simple question. If I swap a chassis from a 2001 to a 1999, does the 1999 one become a 2001 ? Both are exact same vehicles as regards road tax (commercial)

Esel

Reg stays with chassis, afaik.

newmember2

If you have a 2001 car/VIN/reg and you put everything on a 99 car/VIN/reg you're asking will it be a 2001 car??

Irish Steve

depends on where the stamped VIN is located, on a Nissan Terrano, a 4 x 4 with a separate chassis, the VIN is stamped in the chassis, so that determines the identity going forward. If the VIN is stamped in the bodywork, that will be the deciding factor.

swarlb

newmember? wrote: »

If you have a 2001 car/VIN/reg and you put everything on a 99 car/VIN/reg you're asking will it be a 2001 car??

It's a Land Rover. I'm taking the chassis from a 2001 Land Rover and fitting it to a 1999 Land Rover.

My question is...... Does my 1999 Land Rover now become a 2001 Land Rover, and will the registration number of the 2001 vehicle be transferred to the 1999 one.

biko

The VIN on the logbook for the 2001 chassis is the one to use.
The VIN for the 1999 chassis is gone, as you're throwing that chassis away.

zilog_jones

Registration is tied to the chassis, you should get a 1990 chassis so you can get the chape tax like all those dodgy Discoveries out there

swarlb

zilog_jones wrote: »

Registration is tied to the chassis, you should get a 1990 chassis so you can get the chape tax like all those dodgy Discoveries out there

Why on earth would I want to get a 1990 chassis ??? And what exactly would it come from ????

I have a perfectly good 2001 chassis that I removed from a 2001 vehicle. I also have a 1999 vehicle that I've had from new, with a service history from new. It seems daft that my 1999 body, seats, interior, axles, engine, gearbox, transferbox, braking and suspension system is now going to be 3 years NEWER, simply because I'm fitting a chassis.
Does this mean if I fitted a BRAND NEW chassis, which are available, that my car would get a 201 (or even a 202 number plate).

It's practically impossible to read the chassis number on these because of surface corrosion, I'm thinking of simply stamping the 1999 number on the replacement chassis and be done with it.

kdevitt

swarlb wrote: »

Why on earth would I want to get a 1990 chassis ??? And what exactly would it come from ????

I have a perfectly good 2001 chassis that I removed from a 2001 vehicle. I also have a 1999 vehicle that I've had from new, with a service history from new. It seems daft that my 1999 body, seats, interior, axles, engine, gearbox, transferbox, braking and suspension system is now going to be 3 years NEWER, simply because I'm fitting a chassis.
Does this mean if I fitted a BRAND NEW chassis, which are available, that my car would get a 201 (or even a 202 number plate).

It's practically impossible to read the chassis number on these because of surface corrosion, I'm thinking of simply stamping the 1999 number on the replacement chassis and be done with it.

A brand new chassis would be stamped to match the VIN of your existing vehicle by the supplying dealer.

The chassis IS the car as far as identity is concerned. You can stamp a new VIN on it if you want, but if any suspicions are raised during an NCT / DOE test you'll potentially have an expensive paper weight on your hands.

As suggested above, using a 1990 chassis would qualify for 58 a year road tax as it would be vintage.

zilog_jones

swarlb wrote: »

Why on earth would I want to get a 1990 chassis ??? And what exactly would it come from ????

It wasn't a serious suggestion
Cars of 30 years old or more are eligible for "vintage" motor tax of €56. It is not uncommon for owners of Series 1 Discoveries or late Range Rover Classics to fit older (Series III?) chassis on them to make these modern cars eligible for cheap tax - though it's suspected many are not legitimate chassis swaps at all and are in fact "ringers" (the chassis identity has been swapped illegitimately).

If you've ever seen a Discovery or Range Rover Classic (with obviously 1990s body) with ZV number plates, this is why.

Marcusm

swarlb wrote: »

It's a Land Rover. I'm taking the chassis from a 2001 Land Rover and fitting it to a 1999 Land Rover.

My question is...... Does my 1999 Land Rover now become a 2001 Land Rover, and will the registration number of the 2001 vehicle be transferred to the 1999 one.

I think you mean you are taking the body and everything else from 2001 vehicle and adding it to a 1999 vehicle; the registration remains that of a 1999 vehicle, it does not matter that the reg plate for public display is on the body rather than the chassis. You need to display the reg plate associated with the chassis.

swarlb

kdevitt wrote: »

A brand new chassis would be stamped to match the VIN of your existing vehicle by the supplying dealer.

The chassis IS the car as far as identity is concerned. You can stamp a new VIN on it if you want, but if any suspicions are raised during an NCT / DOE test you'll potentially have an expensive paper weight on your hands.

As suggested above, using a 1990 chassis would qualify for 58 a year road tax as it would be vintage.

I know exactly what was suggested by using a 1990 chassis, and as far as I'm aware, there is NO chassis from any other vehicle that will fit straight without modification.

My point is that is seems ludicrous that by fitting a 2001 chassis (3 years newer than the original will make my 1999 vehicle 'newer' all over, yet if I fit a brand new chassis (21 odd years newer than the original) I will end up with what I want in the first place... ie, my own 1999 vehicle, and with not having to 'change it's identity', which is what I wish to avoid.
I cannot contact my local DOE centre at the moment, by possibly things might change in the next few weeks.

swarlb

zilog_jones wrote: »

It wasn't a serious suggestion
Cars of 30 years old or more are eligible for "vintage" motor tax of €56. It is not uncommon for owners of Series 1 Discoveries or late Range Rover Classics to fit older (Series III?) chassis on them to make these modern cars eligible for cheap tax - though it's suspected many are not legitimate chassis swaps at all and are in fact "ringers" (the chassis identity has been swapped illegitimately).

If you've ever seen a Discovery or Range Rover Classic (with obviously 1990s body) with ZV number plates, this is why.

I know exactly what you mean, and yes, I have seen these, and have little interest in them. A neighbour of mine has a 2003 Disco 2 with a 73 xx plate. When ever we passed on the lane, I could clearly see the embarrassed look on his face. Oddly enough, he sold it not long afterwards.... seemingly there was a problem with the 'suspension' that he was unable to fix himself (or get fixed by anyone local)
I don't for one minute believe that anyone in their sane mind would actually physically take a 40 year old chassis, and 'magically' banish those 40 years of wear and tear, and make it fit, and work....

swarlb

Marcusm wrote: »

I think you mean you are taking the body and everything else from 2001 vehicle and adding it to a 1999 vehicle; the registration remains that of a 1999 vehicle, it does not matter that the reg plate for public display is on the body rather than the chassis. You need to display the reg plate associated with the chassis.

No....
I am fitting a chassis from a 2001 vehicle to a 1999 vehicle. The 1999 vehicle retains EVERYTHING, suspension, axles, engine, transmission.

Del2005

swarlb wrote: »

No....
I am fitting a chassis from a 2001 vehicle to a 1999 vehicle. The 1999 vehicle retains EVERYTHING, suspension, axles, engine, transmission.

The 1999 vehicle does not exist anymore if its riding on a 2001 chassis. The age of the vehicle is based on what chassis VIN is attached to.

The majority of "classic" Land Rover's had the VIN plate swapped not the chassis

kdevitt

swarlb wrote: »

No....
I am fitting a chassis from a 2001 vehicle to a 1999 vehicle. The 1999 vehicle retains EVERYTHING, suspension, axles, engine, transmission.

I'm not sure how you find this so difficult to understand, its the same everywhere in the world. You're not fitting anything to your 1999 car, you're removing parts from it and you're fitting them to a 2001 car.

Doesn't matter how much or how little you swap over, the car is identified by its chassis.

Marcusm

swarlb wrote: »

No....
I am fitting a chassis from a 2001 vehicle to a 1999 vehicle. The 1999 vehicle retains EVERYTHING, suspension, axles, engine, transmission.

As far as registration is concerned, the chassis is the vehicle. Until it is scrapped, anything else attached to it, if whatever age or provenance, becomes part of that vehicle.

mgbgt1978

The OP has already stated that he knows exactly what is going on when people 'use' an earlier chassis on a later Land rover.
It is safe to assume that he is aware that these people are simply using an earlier chassis( or just chassis number ) to avail of cheaper motor tax, sometimes an NCT exemption,and often a classic insurance policy.


If he is aware of this, then surely he must know that the year of a Land Rover is determined by the year of the bare chassis. So, why is he even asking the question .
It seems like he is just looking for somebody to agree with his (wrong) opinion that his Land rover should remain a 1999 one.