Making a RMZ250 road legal

username?!

Before I start, I know this isn't the most cost effective project to do and you'll be left with a bike with horrible oil change intervals but I've a mint RMZ250 sitting in the garage and i'd love to use it on the road.

I've searched and searched but can't find anything to that mentions what are the legal requirements to register a bike on the roads in Ireland. After I meet all requirements, how would I register the bike without a logbook?

Any info would be great.

con747

Start by getting a new Logbook, then just make it road legal. https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/64a874-application-for-replacement-documents/

username?!

con747 wrote: »

Start by getting a new Logbook, then just make it road legal. https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/64a874-application-for-replacement-documents/

It's an offroad bike, so it's never had a logbook or registration. I think the link you gave me is for a replacement logbook of an existing registered bike?

con747

Maybe give the likes of Dave Tutty M/C or Simon Cotter or CCM M/C a call and ask for advice.

galwaytt

username?! wrote: »

Before I start, I know this isn't the most cost effective project to do and you'll be left with a bike with horrible oil change intervals but I've a mint RMZ250 sitting in the garage and i'd love to use it on the road.

I've searched and searched but can't find anything to that mentions what are the legal requirements to register a bike on the roads in Ireland. After I meet all requirements, how would I register the bike without a logbook?

Any info would be great.

Unlikely you will get it reg'd tbh - btdt (with something else - enduro).

You're going to need a CoC from the manufacturer to show compliance with Type Approval - which doesn't exist for an RMZ.

Different story if you brought in one from the UK that had been 'daylight use' registered in the UK, which has different rules, but the usual things still needed:
Road lighting
Speedo & Odometer - no odometer means you can't reg it.
No plate

doctorchopper

Like galwaytt said the oly way to do this is to get it registered up north, then transfer it in the south. As stated its a off road motocross bike so there will be no Certificate of conformity. It would be a different story if it was a enduro bike but no go with a motocross.

cantdecide

What about re-framing and customising it? I might be wrong but I believe that many of these are similar enough that parts require a relatively moderate amount of customisation

Something like this absolute genius did. (Millyard is a master)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0AUYtRfdNk

Del2005

cantdecide wrote: »

What about re-framing and customising it? I might be wrong but I believe that many of these are similar enough that parts require a relatively moderate amount of customisation

Something like this absolute genius did. (Millyard is a master)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0AUYtRfdNk

Our insurance companies don't like putting an exhaust on a bike could you imagine the fun trying to insure a bike made from several different bikes.

username?!

doctorchopper wrote: »

Like galwaytt said the oly way to do this is to get it registered up north, then transfer it in the south. As stated its a off road motocross bike so there will be no Certificate of conformity. It would be a different story if it was a enduro bike but no go with a motocross.

I've seen that being the main way alright, with no address up north this looks pretty dead in the water already. Probably better off.

cantdecide

Del2005 wrote: »

Our insurance companies don't like putting an exhaust on a bike could you imagine the fun trying to insure a bike made from several different bikes.

I'm sure where there's a will there's a way. I'm sure there are many challenges but if the OP really really wants to get his bike on the road, I bet it's somehow possible. There are lots of heavily chopped bikes on the road here and professional bike builders too and we don't have a national inspection to contend with (yet, at least).

Del2005

cantdecide wrote: »

I'm sure where there's a will there's a way. I'm sure there are many challenges but if the OP really really wants to get his bike on the road, I bet it's somehow possible. There are lots of heavily chopped bikes on the road here and professional bike builders too and we don't have a national inspection to contend with (yet, at least).

There's always a way but I'd suspect that like a lot of riders when we had the 33bhp restrictions a lot of the chopped and heavily customised vehicles on our roads aren't insured correctly. We don't have a national vehicle test for bikes but you still need a roadworthy bike and how many heavily customised bikes have been inspected by an engineer to proof that they are roadworthy?

But the OP still has a bike which can't be registered as the engine is most likely not up to the Euro level required to get it registered and any swapping or customising will most likely result in a compromise and more work then just buying a road going trail bike.

cantdecide

Del2005 wrote: »

But the OP still has a bike which can't be registered as the engine is most likely not up to the Euro level required to get it registered and any swapping or customising will most likely result in a compromise and more work then just buying a road going trail bike.

Well that's all true, but as I said, where there's a will there's a way. If the OP is determined to make it happen, I bet he somehow could. Would I advise he go through all that ball-ache? Definitely not, unless he's in love with the bike or it has some special importance (and he's made of money).

I think it's one thing for the authorities to tell us we can't have certain things on environmental or safety grounds but I get sick of the capitulation we're all made accept because of private, profiteering insurance companies. They're supposed to work for us, not the other way round. There ARE ways of making insurance work properly in these scenarios if you're willing to go to the trouble and expense. I don't believe in flouting the laws or the rules but I hate to think about people being afraid to live their lives and make their dreams come true simply because the insurance company's computer says no. I often think people use the insurance company excuse as a means of talking big and copping out.

/rant

galwaytt

cantdecide wrote: »

Well that's all true, but as I said, where there's a will there's a way. If the OP is determined to make it happen, I bet he somehow could. Would I advise he go through all that ball-ache? Definitely not, unless he's in love with the bike or it has some special importance (and he's made of money).

I think it's one thing for the authorities to tell us we can't have certain things on environmental or safety grounds but I get sick of the capitulation we're all made accept because of private, profiteering insurance companies. They're supposed to work for us, not the other way round. There ARE ways of making insurance work properly in these scenarios if you're willing to go to the trouble and expense. I don't believe in flouting the laws or the rules but I hate to think about people being afraid to live their lives and make their dreams come true simply because the insurance company's computer says no. I often think people use the insurance company excuse as a means of talking big and copping out.

/rant

I'm not disagreeing with you at all bar one teeny, tiny thing..... "...profiteering insurance companies. They're supposed to work for us, not the other way round"

Er, no.

Their sole function is return to shareholders ('profit', as you say.... ) - it ain't the ESB or VHI, no 'community rating' or PSO there I'm afraid. You can argue that the State shouldn't allow a situation where they mandate one thing by law (RTA & Insurance) and then abdicate completely how that market is run.

galwaytt

cantdecide wrote: »

What about re-framing and customising it? I might be wrong but I believe that many of these are similar enough that parts require a relatively moderate amount of customisation

I'm a fan of Allen Millyard for.......well, forever. Over the lockdown he even inspired me back into the shed and got all manner of things worked on after watching him hand cut head gastets for his 6-cylinder Kawasaki.

That said, a classmate of mine from way back is an actual frame builder for all manner of things and he is, frankly, a genius.

But the UK is an entirely different animal. You can build stuff, SVA it, register it, use it. They have a history of it. Well they did start the Industrial Revolution, so you'd expect no different tbh.

Here otoh, we have zero competence to do so. If you do that here Revenue will treat is a 'brand new' bike, and you can't get a CoC for it so you can't register it. Even if you DID wangle that somehow it'd attract VAT on the hours you spent building it, at a rate they decide :eek::eek: Why do you think Kit Cars in the UK are popular, but here virtually unheard of ?

Whatwicklow

I reg'd two enduro bikes over the past 8 years.

You will need a Cert of conformity (no avoiding this)
Proof VAT was paid
Produce it at the nct (both times I didn't even have to take the bike or if the van)
reg documents few days later

I tried reg a yamaha yz250 without success, it had full road gear but nct wouldn't inspect without the COC..

cantdecide

galwaytt wrote: »

I'm not disagreeing with you at all bar one teeny, tiny thing..... "...profiteering insurance companies. They're supposed to work for us, not the other way round"

Er, no.

Their sole function is return to shareholders - it ain't the ESB or VHI, no 'community rating' or PSO there I'm afraid. You can argue that the State shouldn't allow a situation where they mandate one thing by law (RTA & Insurance) and then abdicate completely how that market is run.

Well we're not really disagreeing that much but the concept of the customer is central to capitalism. The state requires that the motorist engages the services of the private insurance industry to drive on the road; left to their own devices, in this country at least, they have been know to abuse this relationship. Personally, I paid the equivalent (adjusted for inflation and the change to Euro), of €7,500 as an 18 year old in a 1.4 Tipo that cost IR£800 ... I have little sympathy for the players in the market and I have little time for the privileges they take with their captive market (ie lambs to the slaughter).

When I was in New Zealand, basic insurance was included in the fuel and additional, generic insurance was beyond reasonably priced. It was nothing like the super-duper hyper modeled insurance regime we have here.

galwaytt wrote: »

Why do you think Kit Cars in the UK are popular, but here virtually unheard of ?

With the greatest of respect, my point is that if you dedicated your life to it, you could do it. There is no outright bans on doing that kind of thing here. As I said, there are million reasons to NOT do something like this but the [literal] last reason should be because the insurance companies are too apathetic to think about it for their customer. In the case of the OP, it would still be a relatively low powered bike compared to things that would regularly be parked on the side of the street.

galwaytt

cantdecide wrote: »

Well we're not really disagreeing that much but the concept of the customer is central to capitalism. The state requires that the motorist engages the services of the private insurance industry to drive on the road; left to their own devices, in this country at least, they have been know to abuse this relationship. Personally, I paid the equivalent (adjusted for inflation and the change to Euro), of €7,500 as an 18 year old in a 1.4 Tipo that cost IR£800 ... I have little sympathy for the players in the market and I have little time for the privileges they take with their captive market (ie lambs to the slaughter).

When I was in New Zealand, basic insurance was included in the fuel and additional, generic insurance was beyond reasonably priced. It was nothing like the super-duper hyper modeled insurance regime we have here.




With the greatest of respect, my point is that if you dedicated your life to it, you could do it. There is no outright bans on doing that kind of thing here. As I said, there are million reasons to NOT do something like this but the [literal] last reason should be because the insurance companies are too apathetic to think about it for their customer. In the case of the OP, it would still be a relatively low powered bike compared to things that would regularly be parked on the side of the street.

You're not wrong, and I do agree with you, but it is a risk/effort/reward calculation, and yes, some sacred cows do unfortunately get lost along the way.....which is sad, I agree.

I work for a business which does have to do the CoC thing for vehicles we build, and it is, frankly, a nightmare. Personally I'm not disappointed to not be the guy in house doing it

And I do have a favourite peev of my one in a not-dissimilar reqard on motortax for pre-2008 vehicles where we're shafted by the State directly, and there seems no logic for not fixing it. In fact, I wrote to Pascal on that very issue inside the last week: lockdown has cost me €420 in unused motortax by my calculation, and given he pressured IIF to get rebates/discount in place for non/reduced use in this period, I made the point of what's good for the goose is good for the gander.:rolleyes:

See, no short of projects there for - someone - to take on.