Algerian exports

Masifxx

Just reading this stuff about the boat going back to Algeria with no cattle. Surely this can’t be allowed to happen? What is going on?

richie123

Masifxx wrote: »

Just reading this stuff about the boat going back to Algeria with no cattle. Surely this can’t be allowed to happen? What is going on?

Something to do with cattle not being dosed in time ? Sounds absolutely ludicrous either wats

mahoney_j

Masifxx wrote: »

Just reading this stuff about the boat going back to Algeria with no cattle. Surely this can’t be allowed to happen? What is going on?

This stinks from the high heavens cattle supplies starting to tighten a cynic would say Larry had something to do with it ......

richie123

mahoney_j wrote: »

This stinks from the high heavens cattle supplies starting to tighten a cynic would say Larry had something to do with it ......

Wouldn't suit the factories seeing good fit cattle leaving the country ...can't understand why we can't send a load every week out of this country like it's only a few thousand a year which is peanuts

grassroot1

Why would a plastic surgeon go into the cattle export business though seems hard earned money compared to his usual work?

richie123

grassroot1 wrote: »

Why would a plastic surgeon go into the cattle export business though seems hard earned money compared to his usual work?

What do u mean plastic surgeon?

richie123

Jjameson wrote: »

The volume of cattle would make little difference to the cartel. And for all their ills at least they’d get a humane dispatch.

That's one serious downfall with expecting to these third world countries..boltguns aren't too plentiful

memorystick

Mod Snip . Not the type of comment we want here. GC

GNWoodd

richie123 wrote: »

That's one serious downfall with expecting to these third world countries..boltguns aren't too plentiful

Could our Dept not supervise the slaughter ?
Why were they insisting on the cattle being dosed if they were to be killed on arrival ?

kk.man

Think they had sourced 350 horned cattle too but these were not allowed.
TBH you wouldn't know whats going on behind the scenes.

Bass Reeves

richie123 wrote: »

Something to do with cattle not being dosed in time ? Sounds absolutely ludicrous either wats

The exporter wanted to use a pour on at weighting and loading. The withdrawal date would not be up at unloading which is supposed to be on either the dispatch doc, or the export contract. But the department is insusting on dosing at loading and will not allow dosing at mart which would fulfill the withdrawal period.

Ship is on it way to France now

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/creed-urged-to-intervene-on-algerian-live-export-issue/

Jjameson wrote: »

The volume of cattle would make little difference to the cartel. And for all their ills at least they’d get a humane dispatch.

1000 prime underage cattle underage on each about 28 day turnaround. Might not seem much 10-12K/year. But export markets are started on less. With the way processors act every animal going out on the hoof counts. But more importantly with this price seemed to be good. They were taking a lot of bulls and paying up on 2/kg for them.

farawaygrass

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The exporter wanted to use a pour on at weighting and loading. The withdrawal date would not be up at unloading which is supposed to be on either the dispatch doc, or the export contract. But the department is insusting on dosing at loading and will not allow dosing at mart which would fulfill the withdrawal period.

Ship is on it way to France now

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/creed-urged-to-intervene-on-algerian-live-export-issue/



1000 prime underage cattle underage on each about 28 day turnaround. Might not seem much 10-12K/year. But export markets are started on less. With the way processors act every animal going out on the hoof counts. But more importantly with this price seemed to be good. They were taking a lot of bulls and paying up on 2/kg for them.

How do other exporters manage pour ons for their cattle? Do they keep them in quarantine a bit longer? Sounds like as this is a new guy exporting cattle that they are making things difficult for him or he’s on a serious learning curve

richie123

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The exporter wanted to use a pour on at weighting and loading. The withdrawal date would not be up at unloading which is supposed to be on either the dispatch doc, or the export contract. But the department is insusting on dosing at loading and will not allow dosing at mart which would fulfill the withdrawal period.

Ship is on it way to France now

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/creed-urged-to-intervene-on-algerian-live-export-issue/



1000 prime underage cattle underage on each about 28 day turnaround. Might not seem much 10-12K/year. But export markets are started on less. With the way processors act every animal going out on the hoof counts. But more importantly with this price seemed to be good. They were taking a lot of bulls and paying up on 2/kg for them.

True they were taking a lot of fit out of spec cattle at a much better price..
Why is department insisting on pouron treatment on fit cattle due to be killed in just a few days ?and insisting they be dosed on loading ?

Bass Reeves

farawaygrass wrote: »

How do other exporters manage pour ons for their cattle? Do they keep them in quarantine a bit longer? Sounds like as this is a new guy exporting cattle that they are making things difficult for him or he’s on a serious learning curve

Either boat journey is longer or cattle being exported are bot for immediate slaughter on disembarking.

Bass Reeves

richie123 wrote: »

True they were taking a lot of fit out of spec cattle at a much better price..
Why is department insisting on pouron treatment on fit cattle due to be killed in just a few days ?and insisting they be dosed on loading ?

They use a pour on to clear cattle of lice mainly more so than worms I imagine. Withdrawal would be 10 days- weeks so it is very marginal.

bogman_bass

GNWoodd wrote: »

Could our Dept not supervise the slaughter ?
Why were they insisting on the cattle being dosed if they were to be killed on arrival ?

No. We aren’t buying the meat from them. You can be sure France and Brazil are t telling them how to run their factories

richie123

Stupid question here.you would imagine it would be better to kill the animals here and transport via chilled artic's to algeria.why is this not the case you could transport almost 3 times the amount because your minus the offal /hide?anyone any theories on why this isn't the case ?

Bass Reeves

richie123 wrote: »

Stupid question here.you would imagine it would be better to kill the animals here and transport via chilled artic's to algeria.why is this not the case you could transport almost 3 times the amount because your minus the offal /hide?anyone any theories on why this isn't the case ?

Hadal slaughter in Moslem countries.

blue5000

richie123 wrote: »

Stupid question here.you would imagine it would be better to kill the animals here and transport via chilled artic's to algeria.why is this not the case you could transport almost 3 times the amount because your minus the offal /hide?anyone any theories on why this isn't the case ?

Not a stupid question at all, the simple answer is they like to see what they're getting. Meat in a box could be anything......

_Brian

blue5000 wrote: »

Not a stupid question at all, the simple answer is they like to see what they're getting. Meat in a box could be anything......

Seems they know Larry’s reputation better then our own government

_Brian

richie123 wrote: »

Stupid question here.you would imagine it would be better to kill the animals here and transport via chilled artic's to algeria.why is this not the case you could transport almost 3 times the amount because your minus the offal /hide?anyone any theories on why this isn't the case ?

It also provides an essential alternative to bringing cattle to the factory. Alternatives create a need for factories to price against them and pay more.

If there was nothing but factories they would have no incentive to increase prices, a real take it or piss off sotuation.

That said I’m not keen on live export at all. Just for the moment there is a need for it.

richie123

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Hadal slaughter in Moslem countries.

Halal slaughter is the only reason I would not sell cattle for export to these godforsaken countries. it's horrific to think a bull gets dragged up by one chain and stuck with a knife whilst frantically struggling.in this day and age it's ****ing shocking.

memorystick

richie123 wrote: »

Halal slaughter is the only reason I would not sell cattle for export to these godforsaken countries. it's horrific to think a bull gets dragged up by one chain and stuck with a knife whilst frantically struggling.in this day and age it's ****ing shocking.

It’s as primitive as it gets. All in the name of Islam,

davidk1394

richie123 wrote: »

Halal slaughter is the only reason I would not sell cattle for export to these godforsaken countries. it's horrific to think a bull gets dragged up by one chain and stuck with a knife whilst frantically struggling.in this day and age it's ****ing shocking.

It's a brutal and horrible religious tradition. I'd hate to see any of my animals die that way. I'd much prefer to see all animals slaughtered in Ireland and the beef shipped out, however with Goodman and his previous dealings with Libya. I couldn't blame them for looking for live animals.

Base price

memorystick wrote: »

It’s as primitive as it gets. All in the name of Islam,

Your forgetting about Judaism/kosher.

memorystick

Base price wrote: »

Your forgetting about Judaism/kosher.

I know what you mean but I don’t think Algeria is overflowing with Jews.

Say my name

It's more likely this was a solo run by some vegan high up dept officials using the non government to their advantage than influence by Goodman.
Although...

Rosahane

Base price wrote: »

Your forgetting about Judaism/kosher.

Two Billion Muslims - the great majority Halal
14 Million Jews - <20% Kosher.

Jews responsible for 0.1% of slaughtered animals!

Buford T. Justice XIX

richie123 wrote: »

Stupid question here.you would imagine it would be better to kill the animals here and transport via chilled artic's to algeria.why is this not the case you could transport almost 3 times the amount because your minus the offal /hide?anyone any theories on why this isn't the case ?

We're used to a refrigerated supply chain for meat which would be almost absent in a lot of third world countries. The animals are unloaded and transported to where they will be consumed before being killed there.

And the 5th quarter would also be consumed there, there is virtually no waste and turning up their noses at any part of the animal that can be consumed, unlike here.

Killing here and transporting to these countries sounds great until you realise the meat has about 1 day to reach where it's going to be eaten before it starts to go off.

tabby aspreme

Do any of the factories here, kill for the Halal market, they used to in the past

Base price

tabby aspreme wrote: »

Do any of the factories here, kill for the Halal market, they used to in the past

Yes there are a number that are certified Halal.
Edit: they may not slaughter all animals in this method but are certified when they do, iykwim

memorystick

Base price wrote: »

Yes there are a number that are certified Halal.
Edit: they may not slaughter all animals in this method but are certified when they do, iykwim

The Muslims have to face Mecca or Munich, I forget which. The Jews just have to have a beard and black jocks and they can work away.

grassroot1

Masifxx wrote: »

Just reading this stuff about the boat going back to Algeria with no cattle. Surely this can’t be allowed to happen? What is going on?

See the Sarah M livestock boat is still anchored off the coast of Waterford.
Must have forgotten the way to France

GNWoodd

Jjameson wrote: »

I doubt the great prices are anywhere close to the cost of production. If sending cattle raised in first world welfare standards there’s no way that should be slaughtered in humanely by flip flop wearing savages in a 3rd world village square.
Sarah can Sail on as far as I care anyway.

A third world square ? One of their abbatoirs was only built in 2019 .!
As I have already asked why can’t we get our Dept personnel to go out and oversee their slaughter ? And have this as a condition of contract ? If a shipment can be cancelled because of a pour on withdrawal date surely we can insist on humane slaughter.
EU supervision would take the wind out of the sails of the likes of PETA and CIWF etc

Castlekeeper

Base price wrote: »

Yes there are a number that are certified Halal.
Edit: they may not slaughter all animals in this method but are certified when they do, iykwim

They are most all halal killed andstunned pre slaughter afaik, saves having to sort the meat after.

Castlekeeper

richie123 wrote: »

Halal slaughter is the only reason I would not sell cattle for export to these godforsaken countries. it's horrific to think a bull gets dragged up by one chain and stuck with a knife whilst frantically struggling.in this day and age it's ****ing shocking.

Far from godforsaken, if anything today too much god talk with them, it's all over in a minute anyway, death is death.

Castlekeeper

Jjameson wrote: »

If cattle aren’t halal slaughter in descant facilities it wouldn’t be over in a minute.

Cuts are pretty painless anyway, you wouldn't even feel.a clean cut with a sharp blade.
As the old story goes the winner in a knife fight dies in the ambulance.

richie123

Castlekeeper wrote: »

Far from godforsaken, if anything today too much god talk with them, it's all over in a minute anyway, death is death.

Even from the point of view of safety for meat factory workers, I'd sooner slit the throat of an animal prestunned than not.the thoughts of trying to knife a raving mad bull being hung from one leg doesn't sound too safe.maddness.

Castlekeeper

richie123 wrote: »

Even from the point of view of safety for meat factory workers, I'd sooner slit the throat of an animal prestunned than not.the thoughts of trying to knife a raving mad bull being hung from one leg doesn't sound too safe.maddness.

You're over-thinking it, cattle and most species go passive when hung upside down, no raving, no madness.

memorystick

Castlekeeper wrote: »

You're over-thinking it, cattle and most species go passive when hung upside down, no raving, no madness.

Like bats.