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Irish parties with progressive/conservative wings

  • 10-05-2020 7:54pm
    #1
    spitonmedickie
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    Reading about the Democratic party (in the 1960s but could be said about today I'm sure) and it's progressive v conservative wings. Do Irish parties break down along those lines? FG had the Just Society/Garret alongside rural deputies but is it still relevant today or with the splintering of parties have they gotten more homogeneous do you think?


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  • #2
    L1011
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    Both FF and SF would have some internal division of that type.


  • #3
    spitonmedickie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭spitonmedickie


    L1011 wrote: »
    Both FF and SF would have some internal division of that type.
    Wonder what makes people join a party if there's a very different viewpoint there also tbh. Do you think FG doesn't anymore?


  • #4
    a very cool kid
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    L1011 wrote: »
    Both FF and SF would have some internal division of that type.

    SF don't allow division, dissent or debate from the party line handed down - it's why their stable is representatives are so poor. Any dissenting voices are bullied out


  • #5
    a very cool kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭a very cool kid


    spitonmedickie wrote: »
    Wonder what makes people join a party if there's a very different viewpoint there also tbh. Do you think FG doesn't anymore?

    FF and to a lesser extent FG are broad churches with lots of members. Politics and beliefs are not as black and white as is portrayed in our media, you don't and shouldn't have to fit in a political straitjacket. On the other hand, compromise is necessary to get anything done, you might feel your party does something important to you particularly well for example


  • #6
    L1011
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    a very cool kid wrote: »
    SF don't allow division, dissent or debate from the party line handed down - it's why their stable is representatives are so poor. Any dissenting voices are bullied out

    There's definitely a centre-to-right on certain issues wing within SF - remember not everyone who went PSF in the split went there over abstentionism; opposition to OSF as "Marxist" was a factor. They haven't gone away you know :pac:

    They just generally keep their mouth shut in public these days.


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  • #7
    blackwhite
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    The Greens would appear to have a fairly stark division between idealists and pragmatists - one which will likely mean that no matter what comes of the Govt negotiations, they won't get the grassroots vote to enter Govt to pass.


  • #8
    Eric Cartman
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    blackwhite wrote: »
    The Greens would appear to have a fairly stark division between idealists and pragmatists - one which will likely mean that no matter what comes of the Govt negotiations, they won't get the grassroots vote to enter Govt to pass.

    +1 , Eamonn just wants in to government, satires mchugh wants a socialist revolution , the greens live in a much broader church than they imagine, sadly, like most churches the centre has no seats in it.


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