Johnny Rohan

Patrick2010

What’s the Indo such interest in him?? Has he shares in it? He’ On page 2 and 3 of it today and an exclusive interview tomorrow in the Sunday Indo

Eric Cartman

The bewleys thing is a storm in a teacup, the usual poe faced commentators are out in foce vilifying him for being a good businessman to try save a bad business from closure, despite having never attended it themselves.

Odhinn

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The bewleys thing is a storm in a teacup, the usual poe faced commentators are out in foce vilifying him for being a good businessman to try save a bad business from closure, despite having never attended it themselves.

You may not have heard of a thing called "lock down", in which business is closed because of a virus pandemic.

Eric Cartman

Odhinn wrote: »

You may not have heard of a thing called "lock down", in which business is closed because of a virus pandemic.

Wasnt profitable anyway, this was the straw that broke the camels back

One eyed Jack

Odhinn wrote: »

You may not have heard of a thing called "lock down", in which business is closed because of a virus pandemic.

Bewleys were struggling to sustain themselves long before any lockdown though.

shanec1928

Odhinn wrote: »

You may not have heard of a thing called "lock down", in which business is closed because of a virus pandemic.

They owned the building and then sold it and rented it back..hard to have any sympathy for them

Odhinn

shanec1928 wrote: »

They owned the building and then sold it and rented it back..hard to have any sympathy for them

Seems like a stupid thing to have done, certainly. Then again who could have forseen the situation we're in now.

One Eyed Jack wrote:

Bewleys were struggling to sustain themselves long before any lockdown though.

Possibly. Theres no doubt the lock down is what finished them though.

healy1835

You Don't Mess with the Rohan

One eyed Jack

Odhinn wrote: »

Possibly. Theres no doubt the lock down is what finished them though.

No possibly about it, they were maintaining trading on the good will of the Bewleys brand. They would eventually have run the business into the ground if current circumstances hadn’t forced them to accept the reality of their situation sooner rather than later.

Eric Cartman

One eyed Jack wrote: »

No possibly about it, they were maintaining trading on the good will of the Bewleys brand. They would eventually have run the business into the ground if current circumstances hadn’t forced them to accept the reality of their situation sooner rather than later.

They were barely covering their overheads anyway. Probably the lowest footfall building on the street. All Ireland final weekend was the only time it was ever busy

colm_mcm

shanec1928 wrote: »

They owned the building and then sold it and rented it back..hard to have any sympathy for them

They’ve been renting it since the early 80s

LeYouth

healy1835 wrote: »

You Don't Mess with the Rohan

Ronan surely? Unless he's from Middle Earth or something

Dravokivich

LeYouth wrote: »

Ronan surely? Unless he's from Middle Earth or something

The thread title says Rohan. Quite a few threads have said Rohan. Must be a predictive text thing.

lawred2

Eric Cartman wrote: »

They were barely covering their overheads anyway. Probably the lowest footfall building on the street. All Ireland final weekend was the only time it was ever busy

Well that's not true

But even with the foot fall they did have, it was never going to cover that rent.

salmocab

Wasn’t this ‘saved’ a few years back?
I don’t understand the nonsense been talked about. People obviously weren’t bothered enough about the place to spend their money there. It shouldn’t be kept open because people say meaningless things like old Dublin institution.

colm_mcm

lawred2 wrote: »

Well that's not true

But even with the foot fall they did have, it was never going to cover that rent.

Apparently they were turning over 4.5m in 2014.

Fann Linn

Was Jonny saved himself by this State the last time FF / Greens ran us over the cliff??

colm_mcm

Fann Linn wrote: »

Was Jonny saved himself by this State the last time FF / Greens ran us over the cliff??

Temporarily anyway.
To his credit, he paid off his debt to Nama.

nullzero

LeYouth wrote: »

Ronan surely? Unless he's from Middle Earth or something

Ha ha, Gondor calls for aid...

elperello

Johnny Rotten - total legend.

Patrick2010

Patrick2010 wrote: »

What’s the Indo such interest in him?? Has he shares in it? He’ On page 2 and 3 of it today and an exclusive interview tomorrow in the Sunday Indo

The sycophancy is disgusting. Another slobbering piece, "that's our Johnny living it large". Interviewed by Barry Egan's wig, the golden circle is alive and well like 2008 never happened.

Richard Hillman

A creepy individual

Melanchthon

A prick! And I don't get the more economically right wing people who defend him as he is a useless business man too.

My hope is that in the aftermath of this crisis when the rents issue raises it's ugly head whatever government is in when faced with the cries of unconstitutional nature of stopping upward only rent reviews and other practices promises a referendum which might shut people up.

Melanchthon

colm_mcm wrote: »

Temporarily anyway.
To his credit, he paid off his debt to Nama.

I don't think he paid it off himself he got financing from some US vulture funds I think

NIMAN

It's our new obsession with wealth.

Don't quite know when it started.
Journos seem to look up to the mega wealthy too.

Better Than Christ

Dravokivich wrote: »

The thread title says Rohan. Quite a few threads have said Rohan. Must be a predictive text thing.

What sort of aunt doesn't bother checking the thread title for errors before posting it?

If he's anything like Johnny Ronan, he's an absolute parasite.

colm_mcm

Melanchthon wrote: »

I don't think he paid it off himself he got financing from some US vulture funds I think

Either way, Nama actually made money on him.

Melanchthon

colm_mcm wrote: »

Either way, Nama actually made money on him.

Did they actually make money? I thought they sold the debts for less than their actual value (particularly Battersea) but not sure if that meant they lost money overall or just misjudged value of assets.
Either way Johnny Ronan isnt a great businessman it was the other dude he worked with that was the economist.

Darc19

Odhinn wrote: »

You may not have heard of a thing called "lock down", in which business is closed because of a virus pandemic.

Lock down started in March. Bewleys Cafe lost €1.5 million last year.

Basically, even if rent was €1, they'd have lost money

L1011

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The bewleys thing is a storm in a teacup, the usual poe faced commentators are out in foce vilifying him for being a good businessman to try save a bad business from closure, despite having never attended it themselves.

If you think he has a snowballs chance in hell of getting the passing rent from someone else when the unit is:

a: protected up the wazoo, exterior and interior
b: has a specific zoning restriction to cafe use only that can only be varied by the city council; who hate him

You really don't know what current retail rents are


It'll either lie empty or he'll cave in and give them a massive rent cut to get some money from it. Nobody else is going to pay for it.

Bewleys are willing to take a certain amount of loss on it as marketing for their retail products.

L1011

colm_mcm wrote: »

Either way, Nama actually made money on him.

NAMA making money nearly always still means the state lost money in total - the difference between what NAMA paid the banks and the banks book value was generally bailed out by the state.

PCeeeee

L1011 wrote: »

If you think he has a snowballs chance in hell of getting the passing rent from someone else when the unit is:

a: protected up the wazoo, exterior and interior
b: has a specific zoning restriction to cafe use only that can only be varied by the city council; who hate him

You really don't know what current retail rents are


It'll either lie empty or he'll cave in and give them a massive rent cut to get some money from it. Nobody else is going to pay for it.

Bewleys are willing to take a certain amount of loss on it as marketing for their retail products.

Yeah I did wonder about this. I think I heard 30k a week rent. What's the plan there?

LuasSimon

Patrick2010 wrote: »

What’s the Indo such interest in him?? Has he shares in it? He’ On page 2 and 3 of it today and an exclusive interview tomorrow in the Sunday Indo

Hes very friendly with the Indo's owner Denis O Brien , all these billionaires network a lot on how to get richer at cost of their employees or tenants and how to source their profits through foreign countries to avoid paying any tax in Ireland.

Carawaystick

<redacted> doesnt own INM anymore, Mediahuis do, for almost a year

goose2005

salmocab wrote: »

Wasn’t this ‘saved’ a few years back?
I don’t understand the nonsense been talked about. People obviously weren’t bothered enough about the place to spend their money there. It shouldn’t be kept open because people say meaningless things like old Dublin institution.

same goes for Clery's - when it closed, people were calling Joe Duffy saying that they hadn't been there in years and wasn't it awful that it was closing...

I don’t know the precise financial details of the company (does anyone here know?) that have brought them to this situation and I don’t also know to what degree JR had the power to prevent this from happening (rent is only one cost to a business, no matter how high that rent is) but I do know that the restaurant itself in its most recent metamorphosis was a far cry and a severe disappointment from what it was back in the 70s and 80s, which was a place for normal shoppers, after-debs breakfasts, a friends meeting house, that served nice coffee and sticky buns. It was one of the few coffee houses Ireland had- and we all loved it.

The Bewleys of March 2020 was not an inviting place at all.

Are posters here lamenting the loss of a that recent business or are they simply fearful that the building we’ve known as Bewleys for so long, could be turned into a Burger King or McDonalds?

I’d be hopeful Bewleys as a building could remain but what business occupies it, especially over the next 2 years while hopefully Covid19’s impact begins to subside, remains to be seen.

I don’t care much for Jonny Ronan but there’s a lot of uninformed bile directed his way on social media right now from mob sheep that I don’t believe is justified.

LuasSimon

The Sunday Independent has a big article saying how great Johny Rohan is by lapdog Brendan O Connor today .
Support the super rich agenda buy the Sunday Independent !!

ChikiChiki

LuasSimon wrote: »

The Sunday Independent has a big article saying how great Johny Rohan is by lapdog Brendan O Connor today .
Support the super rich agenda buy the Sunday Independent !!

This ****e sickens me.

Indo spreads of the past with Johnny Rohan, John Delaney, Gerald Keane, Flatleys ex-missus lapping them up as celebrities to aspire too.

Barry Egan the main culprit. Honestly do not know how writing them fawning articles he can call himself a journalist. His sole role seems to be to massage egos and keep these narcissists in the limelight.

Jizique

LuasSimon wrote: »

The Sunday Independent has a big article saying how great Johny Rohan is by lapdog Brendan O Connor today .
Support the super rich agenda buy the Sunday Independent !!

He was busy defending him on his radio show as well

Harry Palmr

If the Indo is friends with someone you know they are not the type for you to be a friend to.

Rohan looks like a second rate "dies in the third reel" character in one of those Costa gangster flicks that used to be the rage.

Hmmm, mangers of Bewley’s were going broke COVID 19 pushed them over the edge, tried for a rent pause from holding group own by Johnny Rohan didn't get anywhere, tried a different tactic put pressure on the property group via negative stories in the media about Johnny Rohan, did they use a PR company?

Pushy back by Johnny Rohan via an interview in the independent.

Bewley's should have stuck it out after all who is going to rent it at the moment, the value of the retail property will drop substantially anyway after the pandemic. The holding company could have sued for the rent but Nemo dat quod non habet,
They should have all been a bit more pragmatic.

As for the man himself, from a wealthy background and made himself more wealthy.

amdublin

Is his name not Ronan? Johnny Ronan.

What is with this calling him Rohan?

amdublin

amdublin wrote: »

Is his name not Ronan? Johnny Ronan.

What is with this calling him Rohan?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Ronan

You are correct.

LuasSimon

Jizique wrote: »

He was busy defending him on his radio show as well

All of these super rich and media heads seem to be trying to hoodwink the nation .

What will be in next weeks Sunday Independent? ... a 16 page pull out on Larry Goodman congratulating him on reaching a net worth of 5 Billion Euros ??

Still though, Hold me now was a good song..

ChikiChiki

ChikiChiki wrote: »

This ****e sickens me.

Indo spreads of the past with Johnny Rohan, John Delaney, Gerald Keane, Flatleys ex-missus lapping them up as celebrities to aspire too.

Barry Egan the main culprit. Honestly do not know how writing them fawning articles he can call himself a journalist. His sole role seems to be to massage egos and keep these narcissists in the limelight.

I stopped reading the Sunday Indo (and the regular Indo) about 5 years ago.
I just got totally sick of that "Living"section and Barry Egan fawning over the likes of Lisa (who used to go out with Michael Flatley) , whatever happened to her anyway? Also Gerald Keane, Miriam O Callaghan and her heading to Kerry for her holidays, ditto certain policitians and meaningless celebrities like Amy Huberman, Glenda Gilson, the Corrs, Bill Cullen and Jackie Lavin etc etc etc.
All the lovies living in some kind of gilded , incestuous inner circle of Irish life, not like the rest of us, something we had to aspire to on Sundays when we read about them yet again. It was sickening reading this stuff, the fawning from the talentless Egan, the same old tittle tattle, the same stories about holidays, Christmas, lunches. Its just became so irrelevant.

Recently in this lockdown I was washing my windows and I asked my neighbour if she had any newspapers. The oldest trick in the book is to dry windows off with newspaper , gives a great shine.
My kind neighbour gave me the Sunday Indo! I was surprised to see the same old Living section, with the same crap, same celebs, nothing fresh or new about it, Barry Egan still spouting out the same old rubbish! Some things never change.

They did a great job on my windows though :D

For Forks Sake

LuasSimon wrote: »

Hes very friendly with the Indo's owner Denis O Brien , all these billionaires network a lot on how to get richer at cost of their employees or tenants and how to source their profits through foreign countries to avoid paying any tax in Ireland.

That is going to come as a massive surprise to Mediahuis, who actually own the Sindo

https://www.mediahuis.be/en/media/republic-of-ireland-northern-ireland/

El Tarangu

For Forks Sake wrote: »

That is going to come as a massive surprise to Mediahuis, who actually own the Sindo

Dennis O'Brien is like the George Soros of Irish public discourse - people would blame him for the crappy weather if they could.