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Bob Flavin drives the Enyaq in 60 minutes, 9am today.

  • 07-05-2020 8:00am
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    Registered Users Posts: 27,467 ✭✭✭✭ drunkmonkey




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  • Registered Users Posts: 30,510 ✭✭✭✭ Lumen


    Oddly Autocar just published a first drive of a prototype which appears to have been done near Dublin in February, judging by reference to Storm Ciara. Embargoed?

    https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/first-drive-2021-skoda-enyaq-80-prototype-review

    Doesn't seem like a very compelling offering. 50kW charging unless you pay extra.

    Shame the Model Y is nowhere in sight.


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,467 ✭✭✭✭ drunkmonkey


    I won't click on that link just yet, would like to hear Bob's opinion first, will he finally say it's time to buy an EV, he was very positive about the e-soul but held off saying time to buy. I've a feeling he'll wait for the id3 before going all in.


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,467 ✭✭✭✭ drunkmonkey


    Starting now...woo were at a premier : )


  • Moderators Posts: 11,978 ✭✭✭✭ Black_Knight


    All sounds good, now hit us with the ludicrous price...

    I can only assume it'll be up at 40k after grants.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,199 ✭✭✭✭ KCross


    Lumen wrote: »
    Doesn't seem like a very compelling offering. 50kW charging unless you pay extra.

    This is going to be the VAG way. The ID.3 is also 50kW standard unless you pay extra for 100kW+.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,377 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    According to the Irish Times.

    When it arrives on the Irish market early next year, the Enyaq will come with three sizes of battery. The entry-level rear-wheel drive model will have a 55kWh battery pack, powering a 150kW rear electric motor and offering a maximum range of up to 340km. Next up is a version with a 62 kWh battery with a range of 500km in the WLTP cycle. Finally there is the 82-kWh battery with a range of 460km but adding a second 75kW electric motor to the front axle, thereby giving you all-wheel drive capabilities. A sporty RS version of this version will be offered as well, able to get from 0 to 100 km/h in 6.2 seconds and with a top speed of 180 km/h.

    If, as strongly hinted, the Enyaq comes in just slightly above the Kodiaq, that means prices will be in the region of €50,000 after grants. That’s probably okay for an electric car of this size, but big-budget money for your average Skoda buyer.

    50 K Euro's for a Skoda ? same platform as the id.3 so apart from larger boot it doesn't look that big at all.

    50 K for 55 Kwh and only 200 Hp ? not a hope.

    That's model 3 territory and probably including Autopilot from looking at the tesla site last night.

    Much faster model 3 with Autopilot vs 50 K skoda with no autopilot and much slower ? that's a very difficult decision, NOT !

    I guess the car manufacturers know that there's no plan to ban ICE for another 10-20 years if that happens at all so they are dragging their heals big time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭ 0lddog


    Another VAG effort to prove that there is no demand for ( their ) EVs ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,377 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    0lddog wrote: »
    Another VAG effort to prove that there is no demand for ( their ) EVs ?

    Probably priced high enough to ensure People buy the more profitable diesels.

    They got until 2030 or a bit more before there's a ban or talks of a ban so you can be sure they will continue to produce highly toxic emitting diesels until the last possible moment.

    It's all about profit and there's no signs of proper strict emissions like in the USA where diesels would never pass as we've already seen but it's ok for E.U legislators to allow this dirt on our roads. They should be ashamed.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,858 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    Mad_Lad wrote: »
    50 K Euro's for a Skoda ? same platform as the id.3 so apart from larger boot it doesn't look that big at all.

    50k is too much. That said, the cross over is a very popular segment and the 40k Hyundai Kona (more range but smaller and probably inferior to this car in every other way) was the best selling EV in Ireland last year. So VAG is not a million miles out either.

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,377 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    unkel wrote: »
    50k is too much. That said, the cross over is a very popular segment and the 40k Hyundai Kona (more range but smaller and probably inferior to this car in every other way) was the best selling EV in Ireland last year. So VAG is not a million miles out either.

    Still, at 50 K it's not that good.

    If it was 50 K for the max battery and dual motors I'd say fair enough. :D


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  • Registered Users Posts: 72,647 ✭✭✭✭ colm_mcm


    Yeah but if it’s worth €20k extra to people to have an electric Kona, surely it’s in the ballpark?


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 6,084 Mod ✭✭✭✭ liamog


    Can't see this starting at 50k after grants. VAG also have the ID.4 and Q4 e-tron due in the near future.

    Given that VW are pricing the ID.3 starting at €30k why do we think they'll go nuts and price a Skoda Crossover so high.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,028 ✭✭✭ Lantus


    Vw profit for 2017, 18 and 19 was 14,14 and 17 billion euros respectively.

    I'm still at a loss as to why and how tax payers should be funding grants for these companies given the grotesque profits they make. Grants don't make anything cheaper for the consumer because as we see in construction the price goes up by the grant value anyway.

    Its just free money for the manufacturer.

    Coupled with that they are expensive anyway.


    We have already seen how to reduce carbon and energy use over the last month through working at home. We need a radical redesign of our cities to capitalise and embed that culture, not batteries in our cars. This


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,377 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    Lantus wrote: »
    Vw profit for 2017, 18 and 19 was 14,14 and 17 billion euros respectively.

    I'm still at a loss as to why and how tax payers should be funding grants for these companies given the grotesque profits they make. Grants don't make anything cheaper for the consumer because as we see in construction the price goes up by the grant value anyway.

    Its just free money for the manufacturer.

    Coupled with that they are expensive anyway.


    We have already seen how to reduce carbon and energy use over the last month through working at home. We need a radical redesign of our cities to capitalise and embed that culture, not batteries in our cars. This


    You are 100% correct, however, the car manufacturers are loosing money on electrics as it stands right now and it will probably be years before they make the same profits they make on ICE cars, but, cutting grants will give them the excuse to keep the car costs high while being 10,000 more, at least for Ireland, and nobody will buy a single electric car at that point and the car manufacturers couldn't care less because they'd rather continue to make vehicles that cause serious health issues in the public rather than sell the cars at a loss.

    It's as simple as that really, until the costs of batteries come down the car companies are not going to make a loss.

    Even Elon Musk can't make a car at the right cost for Europeans and you can be sure he couldn't care less.

    The VAT and VRT are real issues in Europe, VRT for Ireland because some electric cars are subject to some VRT, the Model 3 for instance has 3500 extra charge for VRT, it's ridiculous.

    A 35 K USD model 3 in the USA costs 50K Euro's in Ireland, this is because we continue to allow out Government to fleece us with VAT, VRT and not to mention income tax and USC, it's a shocking country which is badly managed, what happens to bad managers ? yes they get fired and so too should the Government with no pension!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,028 ✭✭✭ Lantus


    There are numerous ice cars that lost money. The phaeton, 1007, x type and a2 but to name a few cost their manufacturers between 1 and 2 billion euros for their trouble.

    It's called risk and reward. There is no incentive to cut costs (or offer such cuts to the consumer even if they do exist) when there is a free money bag being dolled out.

    A 5k grant is 400,000 cars for 2 billion. E golf sold 100,000 cars so vw can easily afford to bankroll its electric project if it wants to and its id3 range to get mass production and economy of scale. So can other manufacturers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 846 ✭✭✭ regedit


    Uploading two sketches of the front and red of the Škoda Enyaq iV. Official unveiling just under 2 weeks. Looks very nice in my view.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,289 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_maxx


    unkel wrote: »
    50k is too much. That said, the cross over is a very popular segment and the 40k Hyundai Kona (more range but smaller and probably inferior to this car in every other way) was the best selling EV in Ireland last year. So VAG is not a million miles out either.

    The kia niro is nearly 41k ,the enyaq will be a good bit bigger and skoda always have a much nicer finish than Kia ,more desirable badge full stop ( in this country anyway)

    The 50k price tag won't stop it selling


  • Registered Users Posts: 846 ✭✭✭ regedit


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    The kia niro is nearly 41k ,the enyaq will be a good bit bigger and skoda always have a much nicer finish than Kia ,more desirable badge full stop ( in this country anyway)

    The 50k price tag won't stop it selling

    I asked one of the salesmen in a dealership what way is it going to be priced and he said while they don't know for sure yet, they were told it will be similar to a well spec Kodiaq


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,289 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_maxx


    regedit wrote: »
    I asked one of the salesmen in a dealership what way is it going to be priced and he said while they don't know for sure yet, they were told it will be similar to a well spec Kodiaq

    And it's not that much smaller than a kodiaq, add in the fact that electric vehicles are more expensive and 50k is about right


  • Registered Users Posts: 846 ✭✭✭ regedit


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    And it's not that much smaller than a kodiaq, add in the fact that electric vehicles are more expensive and 50k is about right

    50K will bring it out of reach for me but many can afford that money. As people said, Kona is +40K and it's a smaller car and likely not in the same class when it comes to the quality


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