Identify this tree please

Linto

Lots planed in our estate recently.

mulbot

Looks like lime tree blossom, not very certain on it though.

magicbastarder

Too early for that I think. Limes flower after leaves come out, don't they?

mulbot

magicbastarder wrote: »

Too early for that I think. Limes flower after leaves come out, don't they?

Yea I think you are right, in middle of summer I think. I don't know much about them really, except been looking up lately about them as the neighbour has planted about 40 to make a hedge and I had an inkling it's a mistake because I thought they grow big-or am I wrong?

magicbastarder

I'm not familiar with lime being used as a hedge, but there's a few popular heading plants which are otherwise big trees, e.g. beech, so that wouldn't necessarily concern me.

mulbot

magicbastarder wrote: »

I'm not familiar with lime being used as a hedge, but there's a few popular heading plants which are otherwise big trees, e.g. beech, so that wouldn't necessarily concern me.

Oh OK. It's been a slight niggle for me for a while, I didn't want to bring it up with him, he's a nice guy, I thought he might have mixed up the name but he threw a few to me and the bag was labelled lime. Will thete any root issues?

jmreire

Slightly different question then identifying trees.. I have some japanese Apple Blossom growing, and at the moment, they are in flower, and while it will not last long, they are very beautiful while they do. The trees I have ( 5/6 years old) are growing straight up, and the height varies from 6' to 18'. But other ones I have seen have branched out like an umbrella, with big flower laden canopies. As you can see in the pics. My question is can I do something to make my ones branch out? Or are they maybe a type where all the branches only grow straight up?
Thanks for your help.

rje66

jmreire wrote: »

Slightly different question then identifying trees.. I have some japanese Apple Blossom growing, and at the moment, they are in flower, and while it will not last long, they are very beautiful while they do. The trees I have ( 5/6 years old) are growing straight up, and the height varies from 6' to 18'. But other ones I have seen have branched out like an umbrella, with big flower laden canopies. As you can see in the pics. My question is can I do something to make my ones branch out? Or are they maybe a type where all the branches only grow straight up?
Thanks for your help.

Your tree is prunus amanogawa. It will stay this shape. These shaped trees are very useful for tight spaces and where light is an issue. Also great for small gardens.

GinSoaked

Linto wrote: »

Lots planed in our estate recently.

My first thought was Pear? Really not that sure but Pear does flower early before the leaves come out and the twigs sort of look right.

There are a few varieties of Pears that are used in street/estate type planting schemes, some varieties have a good pyramid shape and excellent autumn colour.

Ideally need a picture of the flowers when fully out.

jmreire

rje66 wrote: »

Your tree is prunus amanogawa. It will stay this shape. These shaped trees are very useful for tight spaces and where light is an issue. Also great for small gardens.

Thank you !!! Space is not an issue for me, and I would like to plant the the wide spreading variety, can you tell me what type I should be looking for? At the moment, the 6 that I have are in their full glory, and one in particular is nearly 20' tall, while another is staying at the 6' mark. Absolutely beautiful trees.
Thank's again for your help.

GinSoaked

If you want a big one then you must get one with a bit of history.

The Great White Cherry Prunus 'Taihaku'.

https://www.ft.com/content/6570df0c-65e3-11e9-a79d-04f350474d62 .

jmreire

GinSoaked wrote: »

If you want a big one then you must get one with a bit of history.

The Great White Cherry Prunus 'Taihaku'.

https://www.ft.com/content/6570df0c-65e3-11e9-a79d-04f350474d62 .

Yes, I'll do that, and just for info, I went out to the garden and was tidying up the grass around the base of the tree, and uncovered the original label still on it. You were 100% correct !!!
Thank's again !!! :):)

standardg60

Linto wrote: »

Lots planed in our estate recently.

Looks like it could be Amelanchier.

standardg60

mulbot wrote: »

Oh OK. It's been a slight niggle for me for a while, I didn't want to bring it up with him, he's a nice guy, I thought he might have mixed up the name but he threw a few to me and the bag was labelled lime. Will thete any root issues?

There won't be any root issues if it's kept as a hedge.
Limes are usually seen as pleated hedges, but are fine as an ordinary one.

standardg60

jmreire wrote: »

Thank you !!! Space is not an issue for me, and I would like to plant the the wide spreading variety, can you tell me what type I should be looking for? At the moment, the 6 that I have are in their full glory, and one in particular is nearly 20' tall, while another is staying at the 6' mark. Absolutely beautiful trees.
Thank's again for your help.

The other cherry in your pic is 'kansan'.

jmreire

standardg60 wrote: »

The other cherry in your pic is 'kansan'.

Thanks for the information standard60. And that one is pink coloured, and along the same road, there are much bigger examples of pink flowering ones.

GinSoaked View recommended "The Great White Cherry Prunus 'Taihaku'. So I will go with a mix of the two, or is there another pink that you would recommend other than the "Kansan" ? Will have to wait now until next Nov it seem's before they will be available to plant,
That was an interesting snippet of information about the "Taihaku", it was extinct in Japan, and then a tree was discovered in Sussex, and it was brought back from the brink and survives today. Bright bit of new's.
Thanks again for your help.:):):)

GinSoaked

One other thing with The Great White Cherry is that it seems to get to its biggest if it can get its roots into water. I don't mean plant it in a boggy area but up on the bank of a river it does really well.

Possibly the biggest/tallest Cherry I've ever had was the double wild Cherry Prunus avium plena, if given space it develops a nice uniform branch structure and will make it to 50ft in good conditions.

Another I wouldn't be without if I was in a suitable location is the smaller Prunus Ukon with huge double flowers, to my eyes its a very Japanese looking cherry.

jmreire

GinSoaked wrote: »

One other thing with The Great White Cherry is that it seems to get to its biggest if it can get its roots into water. I don't mean plant it in a boggy area but up on the bank of a river it does really well.

Possibly the biggest/tallest Cherry I've ever had was the double wild Cherry Prunus avium plena, if given space it develops a nice uniform branch structure and will make it to 50ft in good conditions.

Another I wouldn't be without if I was in a suitable location is the smaller Prunus Ukon with huge double flowers, to my eyes its a very Japanese looking cherry.

The space is not an issue ( the banks of the river is though.... LOL ) And the existing Prunus Amanogawa. seem to be thriving. So assuming the conditions will suit your recommended tree's? I have presently 5 Prunus, and will plant another 5 or 6 in the autumn. Wish me luck, and any advice anytime is more than welcome. Thanks again :):)

GinSoaked

I've a Great White here in the garden and its doing brillantly by the river and I'm sure I read somewhere might have been "Hilliers" (a well know guide back about 50 years ago Hilliers Manual of Trees and Shrubs) saying that it does best near water. OK Hilliers still exists but back then it was the number one guide now we have hundreds.

The Prunus avium plena I planted a lot when I worked in landscaping. While I didn't plant them on one site that was 15 years old (from planting) the Prunus avium plena were higher than the 2 story houses nearby.

There are three things that are negatives for me with Cherries first off they can be short lived and should ideally never be pruned (except for light formative pruning) there roots are often close to the surface so in a lawn the mower catches them and finally the roots will always find water - If you have any slightly dodgy drains Cherry roots will find them and you need to plant them away from the percolation areas for septic tanks. But plenty of positives if you site them well.

jmreire

GinSoaked wrote: »

I've a Great White here in the garden and its doing brillantly by the river and I'm sure I read somewhere might have been "Hilliers" (a well know guide back about 50 years ago Hilliers Manual of Trees and Shrubs) saying that it does best near water. OK Hilliers still exists but back then it was the number one guide now we have hundreds.

The Prunus avium plena I planted a lot when I worked in landscaping. While I didn't plant them on one site that was 15 years old (from planting) the Prunus avium plena were higher than the 2 story houses nearby.

There are three things that are negatives for me with Cherries first off they can be short lived and should ideally never be pruned (except for light formative pruning) there roots are often close to the surface so in a lawn the mower catches them and finally the roots will always find water - If you have any slightly dodgy drains Cherry roots will find them and you need to plant them away from the percolation areas for septic tanks. But plenty of positives if you site them well.

Would their proximity to Silver Birch affect them in any way? Or to any other trees? on one side, I have 5 Silver birches, and the Prunus nearest to them has never passed the 5' mark...while one much further away, has easily reached the 20' mark? In terms of planting them ( I planted the existing ones about 5/6 years ago, pretty much willy-nilly ) are there any taboo's when selecting the area's to plant them in, especially with regard to their proximity to other tree's?

GinSoaked

Cherries vary greatly in size so I wouldn't worry if some aren't as big as others. Just keep planting, some things will thrive others won't. I had silver birch and cherry growing side by side in one big garden so can't think of any reason not to do it?

My advice would be to include a good few cheaper smaller potted trees in your planting scheme they often out perform larger bare root standards but need a lot more work weeding around then until they get to a decent size.

Planting willy-nilly is good provided you take the final size into consideration, I find it very hard to plant things in random natural way. But don't over space the trees, something I often do.

One other Cherry I always like to have and this time for the bark and Autumn colour Tibetan cherry Prunus serrula.

jmreire

GinSoaked wrote: »

Cherries vary greatly in size so I wouldn't worry if some aren't as big as others. Just keep planting, some things will thrive others won't. I had silver birch and cherry growing side by side in one big garden so can't think of any reason not to do it?

My advice would be to include a good few cheaper smaller potted trees in your planting scheme they often out perform larger bare root standards but need a lot more work weeding around then until they get to a decent size.

Planting willy-nilly is good provided you take the final size into consideration, I find it very hard to plant things in random natural way. But don't over space the trees, something I often do.

One other Cherry I always like to have and this time for the bark and Autumn colour Tibetan cherry Prunus serrula.

I'm not really worried about the size as such, just wondered why some were so high, and one or two so low,,,and coincidently these happened to be the ones nearest ones to the Silver Birch. I have a little more than 1 acre of a site, 1/3 of which I have divided with copper beech hedging, and within this division, every thing is returned to nature...aside from the tree's I have and am going to plant. There is even a fox's den there. The rest is lawn and trees, planted willy nilly, because I really dont have much gardening skills, but I really like these Prunus trees hence my interest in them. The other trees there are a mixture of apple and pear trees, and all different types..oddly enough, the pear trees are now producing fruit, despite being out in the open, so will be interesting to see what each tree produces this year.

New Home

I know this is a few posts past it, but lime tree flowers look like this



and smell divine.

GinSoaked

New Home wrote: »

I know this is a few posts past it, but lime tree flowers look like this

.

Will look like this sometime in June or July

New Home

What, this? https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=510593&d=1587595367

That's inconceivable!

GinSoaked

New Home wrote: »

What, this? https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=510593&d=1587595367

That's inconceivable!

No your lime won't look like that until June or July.

New Home

:rolleyes:

Well played.

jmreire

And the dreaded frost has struck again. Not everything in the garden has been affected, but quite a lot have been showing droopy lifeless looking leaves. The Rhus, which were showing promising growth, but all the new (2020) growth is discolored, Whats the prognosis, do you think? End of Story for this season, or end of story for good??

GinSoaked

Best thing that could have happened to the Rhus. It is a bit of a weed, actually the frost may actual be a bad thing and make the weed sucker a bit more.

jmreire

GinSoaked wrote: »

Best thing that could have happened to the Rhus. It is a bit of a weed, actually the frost may actual be a bad thing and make the weed sucker a bit more.

Rhus is considered a weed? I never knew that. ( but then again, my gardening / botanical knowledge is not great, to say the least !!! ) Basically, everything in the garden got it's new growth burned. So what's the prognosis now? Will they recover, do you think?
Thanks for your help.

standardg60

jmreire wrote: »

Rhus is considered a weed? I never knew that. ( but then again, my gardening / botanical knowledge is not great, to say the least !!! ) Basically, everything in the garden got it's new growth burned. So what's the prognosis now? Will they recover, do you think?
Thanks for your help.

It's not a weed, Gin was just using the term to convey his opinion of it.
It's very unlikely for any established plant to be killed by one late frost.
They'll be fine.

GinSoaked

jmreire wrote: »

Rhus is considered a weed? I never knew that. ( but then again, my gardening / botanical knowledge is not great, to say the least !!! ) Basically, everything in the garden got it's new growth burned. So what's the prognosis now? Will they recover, do you think?
Thanks for your help.

Sorry, we grow it here because my wife likes it but just have regard to the fact that new plants spring up some feet even yards from the original one due to its tendency to sucker. If you keep on top of it them thats not really a problem but if left it will spread. Also best kept away from fine lawns (so OK in Ireland because we don't know what a really good lawn looks like ) because the suckers in a lawn aren't great for cylinder mowers - rotary mowers not a bother.

jmreire

standardg60 wrote: »

It's not a weed, Gin was just using the term to convey his opinion of it.
It's very unlikely for any established plant to be killed by one late frost.
They'll be fine.

Thanks a lot !!! Both for the interpretation of Gin's opinion , and the welcome news that the plants will recover... I have 3 Rhus in the garden, and last year one of them showed the 1st signs of developing the red leaves and hanging cone's which give them a bit if color in the garden, and now the other 2 have started to show the same sign's ( until the frost ) I should mention that they were planted at different times, about a year apart. So, hopefully, I can look forward to a bit or red in te garden later on.
Thanks again for your help.

jmreire

GinSoaked wrote: »

Sorry, we grow it here because my wife likes it but just have regard to the fact that new plants spring up some feet even yards from the original one due to its tendency to sucker. If you keep on top of it them thats not really a problem but if left it will spread. Also best kept away from fine lawns (so OK in Ireland because we don't know what a really good lawn looks like ) because the suckers in a lawn aren't great for cylinder mowers - rotary mowers not a bother.

No problem Gin !!! In a previous house I lived in, we had a rhus..really majestic colorful tree, but like you have said, it does tend to sucker and spread. I even dug out a few of these suckers and gave them to a friend, thinking that he would be able to grow a Rhus from them...it did not work though. I have 2 mower's..a Honda 1724 ride on, and a 1984 Castlegarden push mower, which still starts on the first pull and still on it's original B&S engine, it can handle any kind of growth. I used it to tame a section of the lawn which had being running wild for a Nr of years, (had to use a brushcutter on it first ) and it handled it easily. I can now drive the rideon over that section, no problem. So I guess that Rhus suckers will not be too much of a problem.:)

standardg60

I once accidentally ran over a gate stay with my old Honda mower. Panic quickly turned to relief when i saw the mower had cut the stay clean off and simply carried on!
I 'forgot' to mention it to the clients, they never closed the gates anyway :-)

jmreire

standardg60 wrote: »

I once accidentally ran over a gate stay with my old Honda mower. Panic quickly turned to relief when i saw the mower had cut the stay clean off and simply carried on!
I 'forgot' to mention it to the clients, they never closed the gates anyway :-)

I had a call from my neighbour a few mths ago, he had a problem with his ride on ( Castlegarden) 1st cut of the season, and as the grass was a bit high, he did not notice one of those "coir" mats ( In case you have not met them before, heavy duty boot cleaning mats that are interlaced with wire and are placed outside door's in houses ) in the grass until it was picked up by the blades, and stopped the engine. I had a quick look and tried pulling the mat out by reversing the pulley's, but no good, I had to get a bolt cutters and snip away at the mat bit by bit before I could get it free again. Surprisingly, no damage was done, and off it drove,without a bother.