Would this be an NCT failure?

gooner99

Would this be an nct failure?

colm_mcm

Quite possibly could pose a risk to a pedestrian. If you could do the cable ties up from the inside maybe?

Only a visual retest anyway.

Toyotafanboi

Tough one, I'd say probably a fail as it's fairly scabby looking and the tester will need to have faith that the repair is sound.

Repairs dont have to be pretty but they do have to be sound, with no movement and no sharp edges, this has both IMO.

Skatedude

Almost certainly a fail, but you should have plenty of time to fix it while you wait for the nct centers to reopen

Isambard

probably would be more acceptable with strong tape rather than the ties.

greasepalm

Tape for a cosmetic look,but if fog lamp was insecure then yes it will fail.

Doctors room ghost

The ties would be classed as sharp edges and unsafe I’d say.

MrCostington

I think so, from the 2018 testing manual (latest I can find)

https://www.rsa.ie/Documents/NCT/New%202018/NCT%20Manual%202018.pdf

Page 67, bodywork section:

" A bumper/bull bar is loose/damaged or likely to cause injury when grazed or contacted" 'MaD' fail

Major defects (MaD);
defects that may prejudice
the safety of the vehicle, have an impact on the
environment, put other road users at risk or other more
significant non-compliances.

MrCostington

OP, hope you don't mind if I ask one while I'm here, rather than start a new post?

In my W123 coupe, the vacuum system should prevent the seat backs being tilted forward (as in when getting to the rear seats) while the engine is running. You have to push a button on the seat to release the back. Mine is not working, you can move the back without pushing the button.

In the seats section, page 23 there is no specific mention of this, but could be covered by "Seats in defective condition or insecure (main parts)" - anyone know if the NCT check this? Obviously I'll try to fix it beforehand, but just in case I can't....

kirving

IMO that should and would be a fail. If you crash, the seatbelt is designed to slow you, not you + seatback.

Anything loose in the rear could also hit the back of the seat, move it forward with force, and and could cause injury.

corks finest

gooner99 wrote: »

Would this be an nct failure?

100 percent

gooner99

Thanks for the replies.

So I guess remove the ties and tape like duck tape maybe?

I have touch up and spray in the body colour. Could probably spay over the tape to make it look tidier.

Then get an insert holder for the fog light.

Toyotafanboi

I'd say you'd get a silver bumper for an E12 Corolla on donedeal or adverts for around €20?

iamtony

I was failed on a broken rear reflector. Anything that leaves a sharp edge is a fail as far as I know.

gooner99

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I'd say you'd get a silver bumper for an E12 Corolla on donedeal or adverts for around €20?

Really, that could be an option.

Hard to replace?

newmember2

duct

TheBoyConor

I would say put in new cable ties with the heads on the inside of the bumper. If you can stitch in a square of some kind of flexible plastic to reinforce it all the better, and stick it on with Tec 7 or silicone.

If you can stick it well and securely with a patch on the rear, you might get away with taking out the cake ties again when the glue sets solid.

Then duct tape over the outside to smooth off the look.

If the light is loose, then silicone or Tec7 it into place.

Toyotafanboi

gooner99 wrote: »

Really, that could be an option.

Hard to replace?

Be easier than fluting around with cable ties and duct tape in all reality and the car wont look like a POS.

Few basic tools, 15 or 20 mins tops, there's surely a youtube guide. If you're capable of doing that weird repair you'd change a bumper.

TheBoyConor

Ya agreed. If u can get one cheap as that then go for it.

Don't worry about the colour, get whatever is available, as long as it's secure and no sharp edges it'll fly thru NCT.

You can always spray it over with an aerosol can later on if u want to.

Atlantic Dawn

gooner99 wrote: »

Really, that could be an option.

Hard to replace?

This is a very good site to see exactly each part involved on Toyota/Lexus models, will give you an idea of the bolts and points securing the bumper to the car...

https://www.toyodiy.com/parts/q.html

gooner99

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Be easier than fluting around with cable ties and duct tape in all reality and the car wont look like a POS.

Few basic tools, 15 or 20 mins tops, there's surely a youtube guide. If you're capable of doing that weird repair you'd change a bumper.

It was my son and a friend that did that weird repair. Tbh the car is 05, but going well otherwise. Test is due in May, but I'd guess that will likely not happen on time. Might be best to fire it through and see what else is wrong. 1.4 petrol with 175k miles, so there may be other unknowns. First year with it, so not sure how these Corolla's are on things like emissions.

s1ippy

gooner99 wrote: »

Would this be an nct failure?

I had the same and had to get the bumper replaced.

TheBoyConor

Ridiculous tbh. Bumper repaired like that is fine. I'm sure SIMI have had their part to play in lobbying to make the NCT as ridiculously strict as it is so itll send plenty business to their members garages.

And I would expect most of the board of Applus to probably have been or are players in the motor industry for much of their careers. All of them looking after eachother again as usual with the insurance crowd in on the act too. I see that most of them are all not even from Ireland. all outsiders. All the same, the whole thing is just a big motor industry love in at the expense of people who just want to get from a to be some way cheap.

Toyotafanboi

TheBoyConor wrote: »

Ridiculous tbh. Bumper repaired like that is fine. I'm sure SIMI have had their part to play in lobbying to make the NCT as ridiculously strict as it is so itll send plenty business to their members garages.

I know it's getting weary now but I'd have to disagree.

That "repair" is ****, it's pathetic. This isn't a third world country, we have to have some degree of standard of repair and the NCT is generally fairly minimal in it's requirements.

Stitching a severed bumper back together with cable ties is a joke. If you cannot afford or have no desire to fix your car to some kind of acceptable standard then it's better off off the road.

That repair poses dangers to pedestrians and other road users and that's the reality of it. It's unlikely, granted but the risk is there. We arent living in a third world country where anything flies, thankfully. If you're using the car in public, it should be in good order.

It would have been faster, easier and cheaper to fix that bumper with a fiberglass patch which would have been an acceptable repair by NCT standards or to replace it with a second hand bumper. Anyone who went to that kind of repair as their preferred option is doing it for the "drift fix" look or is an utter cowboy IMO.

TheBoyConor

I disagree that a cable tie stitch and tape repair is inadequate. Of course the OPs one has the tie knuckles out which would be a sharp edge, but if the knots are on the inside then the outer surface is neat and smooth when taped over.

The NCT is a safety test. We need to differentiate between safety and aesthetics. Just because it doesn't look pretty to those with a paraphilia for detailing doesn't mean it is not safe nor should it be any sort of factor in NCT testing.

What I have a big problem with in the NCT is that there is not facility to appeal or object to a test finding. There are inconsistencies in testing I have found, a slight crack in a light lense will fly through in one centre and a year later the same crack in the same light will be a fail. The minor crack light was no more of a safety issue than my eye and I suspect it was a tester who just didn't like the look of it. But there was nothing I could do nor appeal it or have another tester check it. I just had to go an spend money on overpriced lens tape in a motor factor to put on it.

colm_mcm

Bumpers absorb low speed impacts. One that’s broken doesn’t absorb ****.

TheBoyConor

I never heard of anyone being injured by a cable tie on a bumper.

A bumper going 50kph is going to hurt someone regardless of there being cable ties in it or not.

colm_mcm

You must be in cahoots with the cable tie lobby.

Toyotafanboi

TheBoyConor wrote: »

What I have a big problem with in the NCT is that there is not facility to appeal or object to a test finding.

Details on how to appeal an NCT result: https://www.ncts.ie/1172

TheBoyConor wrote: »

I never heard of anyone being injured by a cable tie on a bumper.

A bumper going 50kph is going to hurt someone regardless of there being cable ties in it or not.

Well if you haven't heard of it then it mustn't be possible?

If someone gets a belt of that at low speed it will split open again and the sharp edge will be exposed. I'm not a doctor but the sharp edge will undoubtedly do more damage than an intact bumper.

gooner99

Thanks guys. Never appreciated the risks. New bumper is the only solution.

corks finest

TheBoyConor wrote: »

I disagree that a cable tie stitch and tape repair is inadequate. Of course the OPs one has the tie knuckles out which would be a sharp edge, but if the knots are on the inside then the outer surface is neat and smooth when taped over.

The NCT is a safety test. We need to differentiate between safety and aesthetics. Just because it doesn't look pretty to those with a paraphilia for detailing doesn't mean it is not safe nor should it be any sort of factor in NCT testing.

What I have a big problem with in the NCT is that there is not facility to appeal or object to a test finding. There are inconsistencies in testing I have found, a slight crack in a light lense will fly through in one centre and a year later the same crack in the same light will be a fail. The minor crack light was no more of a safety issue than my eye and I suspect it was a tester who just didn't like the look of it. But there was nothing I could do nor appeal it or have another tester check it. I just had to go an spend money on overpriced lens tape in a motor factor to put on it.

Maybe it depends on the test centre,my buddies camper van 100 percent failed on similar