[HELP!] Did I break this Omega when replacing battery?

Landoflemon

Hi all, looking for some help here.

I told my girlfriend I could replace the battery in her Omega Deville for her which stopped ticking a few months back. I've changed batteries before without problems in other watches and assumed this would be the same. However, now it seems to 'stall' as shown in the first video or, in the second video you see it moves for about 20 seconds then stops.

Did I break something? Any advice on how to resolve this would be appreciated and might save my relationship.

Stalling

Stopping

Lorddrakul

Can't get those vids to play.

Do you know what the calibre is?

Might help in terms of battery change procedure, as to whether anything is required beyond the mere cell change, such as button press, points short etc.

Landoflemon

Just updated the video links there.

Can't find anything to indicate the calibre. There are a few numbers on the back of the movement, but not sure if any of them are what I'm looking for or just individual components:

S11
AZ2N
UJ12B
Japan
No of Jewels 2

With a Renata 364 battery.

Lorddrakul

OK, this looks like a Seiko Hattori VJ12 movement.

Very simple quartz, no jewels.

It probably cost less than the Renata battery.

Would not be serviceable, generally, would just be replaced.

No special instructions for battery change, I can find.

So good news is, it could be changed out by any competent watch maker/servicer.

Bad news is, the movement may be borked.

Landoflemon

Wow, thanks for Identifying that! Amazing work. Would it be unusual for a Ladies Omega Deville to use such a cheap movement?

Normally are faces glued to movements, or how are they attached. Thanks already for all the help.

Lorddrakul

Landoflemon wrote: »

Wow, thanks for Identifying that! Amazing work. Would it be unusual for a Ladies Omega Deville to use such a cheap movement?

Normally are faces glued to movements, or how are they attached. Thanks already for all the help.

No, not unusual.

Usually, for such a specific use like this, there would be a very tight quality control regime to ensure they are as good as they can be, but no, not an unusual application.

Normally dials would not be glued, they would have locating legs that would have a friction fit that just press on. Again, it is an disassembly/reassembly job. The tricky bit is pressing the hands on the right way and to the right pressure.

It would take a qualified person minutes.

The only other consideration would be if it were a fake.

Usually Omega and the likes will do some sort of dressing on a cheaper movement to make it their own.

Post a pic of the dial and someone will be able to tell you whether it is real or not.

ID'ing fake Omegas is above my pay grade.

Wibbs

Landoflemon wrote: »

Wow, thanks for Identifying that! Amazing work. Would it be unusual for a Ladies Omega Deville to use such a cheap movement?

Yep. Women never really got into the whole "mechanical movements are more authentic" belief/marketing that men did. They generally prefer the practicalities of quartz movements that you can leave in a drawer for months and it'll still be running. These days with a few exceptions like Seiko and Longines high end quartz movements are rare, because not long after quartz watches became the fashion good enough accuracy was well, good enough and way higher than most mechanical movements. So cheap movements are most produced. The lack of jewelling is no great issue because the torque on a quartz movement is significantly lower than on a mechanical and they only tick once per second(with rare exceptions) so wear is much less too. Even high end Cartier and Patek women's watches often have quartz movements, sometimes dressed up to look nicer than they are.

Normally are faces glued to movements, or how are they attached. Thanks already for all the help.

In watches like this they're usually press fit, on fancier stuff they're press fit and screwed. Makes little difference in practice as the case and crystal hold things together anyway.

T-Maxx

It is possible that the replacement battery is bad. Perhaps try another to eliminate this possibility.

Landoflemon

Thanks for the suggestion. I put a different battery in, same thing, only about 20 seconds and it stopped again.

893bet

Where did you get the watch?

Landoflemon

893bet wrote: »

Where did you get the watch?

She got it as a gift from her Dad (They live in Turkey)

Lorddrakul

Landoflemon wrote: »

She got it as a gift from her Dad (They live in Turkey)

Ah.

Landoflemon

Awkward conversation incoming

893bet

Landoflemon wrote: »

She got it as a gift from her Dad (They live in Turkey)

Is he the type of dad to drop 2000 euro on a watch......

The watch in the video looks fake to me. I could be wrong, some genuine ladies watches have a fake look to them. But that looks awful cheaply made to my eye.

Maybe post a clear photo and see if you can get the model # so we can compare

Ryath

Unless the movement was replaced at some point it's surely fake. As wibbs said even though they use cheap quartz movements they would be dressed up. And it would be at least a sellita and not Japanese.

Movement in the current De ville

Time

Deleted User wrote: »

The watch in the video looks fake to me. I could be wrong, some genuine ladies watches have a fake look to them. But that looks awful cheaply made to my eye.

Maybe post a clear photo and see if you can get the model # so we can compare

Have to agree, thats definitely a fake. Where the bracelet attaches to the lugs is all wrong for a De Ville, the lugs are also too slim. The dial would say De Ville and Quartz, or just De Ville but not quartz on its own. The Omega logo on the dial is also off.

Landoflemon

893bet wrote: »

Is he the type of dad to drop 2000 euro on a watch......

In this particular case, yes.

Landoflemon

Time wrote: »

Have to agree, thats definitely a fake. Where the bracelet attaches to the lugs is all wrong for a De Ville, the lugs are also too slim. The dial would say De Ville and Quartz, or just De Ville but not quartz on its own. The Omega logo on the dial is also off.

She has the original box and warranty card back home. Normally it had been taken to an authorized dealer of some kind to get the battery replaced, and apparently in 2017 she gave it to a friend who brought it to a different watch repair place. I wonder if it's possible at that point that either the movement was replaced or the whole watch was swapped for something almost identical?

Griselda

awful nice watch to be breaking. eeeeek

893bet

Landoflemon wrote: »

She has the original box and warranty card back home. Normally it had been taken to an authorized dealer of some kind to get the battery replaced, and apparently in 2017 she gave it to a friend who brought it to a different watch repair place. I wonder if it's possible at that point that either the movement was replaced or the whole watch was swapped for something almost identical?

Box and papers means little. How ever if it has been to an AD at least once for a change of battery it can be assumed to be real or was real at some point.

It’s looks suspect now though.

Landoflemon

Anyway, thanks for the insight on this everyone who has commented. I think it's case closed on this one. Breaking the news was unpleasant. A wiser man probably would have just got it working again for €10 and said nothing!

Landoflemon

Landoflemon wrote: »

Anyway, thanks for the insight on this everyone who has commented. I think it's case closed on this one. Breaking the news was unpleasant. A wiser man probably would have just got it working again for €10 and said nothing!

To clarify - I don't know for sure that it's fake. I'm not familiar with these models and don't have pics of a genuine one to compare. I was just saying that in that youtube video and photo it reeks of cheap fake.

If you can determine exact model/reference number it would be helpful, so we can google how it should look. Otherwise i'd be all day scrolling through photos looking for a model match.

893bet

you are a definate watch nerd!

https://youtu.be/qn6KqlvE-Dg

Landoflemon

893bet wrote: »

you are a definate watch nerd!

https://youtu.be/qn6KqlvE-Dg

Haha, just a nerd in general

user1842

Are you taking the batteries from the same pack? If so try it with a newly bought branded battery.

crubbeens

Hi, From looking at the videos; It looks like you have dislodged the seconds hand, as the problem only occurs when the hands align, If you release the winding stem the movement and dial should come out of the case. Use magnification and look across the dial to check for clearance, A sharpened toothpick would help in adjusting the hand position, wear gloves so as not leave prints on the dial or crystal.