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Fixing Hole in Concrete Floor Following Leak Repair

  • 27-03-2020 11:22am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭


    Hi all,

    We had a leak under kitchen floor we have since got fixed. There is a hole approx 500mm x 200mm x 100mmdeep in the flooring want to fill. I was thinking a sand cement mix that could pour into the hole like a grout prior to tiling.

    Does anyone have any idea what I should use or is the grout option above acceptable or likely to cause more issues?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭Dats_rite


    Dats_rite wrote: »
    Hi all,

    We had a leak under kitchen floor we have since got fixed. There is a hole approx 500mm x 200mm x 100mmdeep in the flooring want to fill. I was thinking a sand cement mix that could pour into the hole like a grout prior to tiling.

    Does anyone have any idea what I should use or is the grout option above acceptable or likely to cause more issues?

    Pic attached


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭Dats_rite


    Dats_rite wrote: »
    Pic attached

    2nd pic


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭TheBoyConor


    You can buy bagged dry mix concrete that you can wet and mix up and it will be fine.

    Make sure you check the damp proof membrane and if it is badly damaged put down a patch of DMP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭Dats_rite


    You can buy bagged dry mix concrete that you can wet and mix up and it will be fine.

    Make sure you check the damp proof membrane and if it is badly damaged put down a patch of DMP

    So just put the DPM at the bottom and concrete above it? Might just do that anyway just incase the DPM is damaged.

    Thanks for the advice


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,173 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    dont patch that up for 2 weeks or so. Let the pipes settle in. If its heating system let it run hot and cold. if its too another supply make sure to use it.

    You need to be sure those pipes and the surrounding area are dry prior to cementing that up. If its not world of pain again.

    joints in cement are the worst :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭Dats_rite


    listermint wrote: »
    dont patch that up for 2 weeks or so. Let the pipes settle in. If its heating system let it run hot and cold. if its too another supply make sure to use it.

    You need to be sure those pipes and the surrounding area are dry prior to cementing that up. If its not world of pain again.

    joints in cement are the worst :(

    Agreed, I've had the hole open for about 6 weeks now so there is no leak. With the new kitchen we need after the leak, those pipes are not going to be used so will be capped off


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭jack of all


    Those exposed pipes need to be lagged before concreting in- for two reasons- to allow for thermal movement without restriction and secondly to isolate the copper pipework and brass fittings from contact with cement which will cause pin hole leaks/ porosity over time. So, patch up DPM as best you can, lag pipes as best you can and cover all exposed copper and brass to prevent direct contact with cement. When patching in with sand/ cement or concrete I'd prime the edge of the hole with a bit of PVA brushed in first.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,465 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Dats_rite wrote: »
    Agreed, I've had the hole open for about 6 weeks now so there is no leak. With the new kitchen we need after the leak, those pipes are not going to be used so will be capped off

    6 weeks?

    From your second pic I still see damp in the substrate to the left and possibly on the joint to the right....

    What floor finish are you going for?

    I'd roughly fill with a smix as suggested above and then top off with a self levelling compound to match floor height.


  • Posts: 7,497 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nobody going to ask why that earth cable is concreted into the floor ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,173 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Nobody going to ask why that earth cable is concreted into the floor ?

    Super common practice in the 80s


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭Dats_rite


    listermint wrote: »
    Super common practice in the 80s

    House built in 2007...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭Dats_rite


    GreeBo wrote: »
    6 weeks?

    From your second pic I still see damp in the substrate to the left and possibly on the joint to the right....

    What floor finish are you going for?

    I'd roughly fill with a smix as suggested above and then top off with a self levelling compound to match floor height.

    The photo was taken after the leak. Also there is a bit of condensation on the cold supply.....but the leak is fixed, I've been checking every day.

    Going for a tile finish. Would you think that filling the hole to finish level.with a sand and cement mix would work?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,223 ✭✭✭✭dodzy


    Dats_rite wrote: »
    The photo was taken after the leak. Also there is a bit of condensation on the cold supply.....but the leak is fixed, I've been checking every day.

    Going for a tile finish. Would you think that filling the hole to finish level.with a sand and cement mix would work?

    DPM, toss in hardcore to a few inches below ground level and finish off with concrete mix


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,173 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Dats_rite wrote: »
    House built in 2007...

    I'd assume then it was lasy Celtic throw it up construction therefore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭Dats_rite


    listermint wrote: »
    I'd assume then it was lasy Celtic throw it up construction therefore.

    No dont think so. It was built by the previous owner and he project managed it by getting each trade in, so I dont think it was thrown up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,173 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Dats_rite wrote: »
    No dont think so. It was built by the previous owner and he project managed it by getting each trade in, so I dont think it was thrown up.

    Self build project managed personally I rest my case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭Dats_rite


    listermint wrote: »
    Self build project managed personally I rest my case.

    You rest your case.....without knowing the previous owners experience?

    He's a project manager for a construction company road building, windfarm construction and importantly a large house building company. He has managed a few large house build projects.

    So probably not a bad self builder if you ask me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,173 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Dats_rite wrote: »
    You rest your case.....without knowing the previous owners experience?

    He's a project manager for a construction company road building, windfarm construction and importantly a large house building company. He has managed a few large house build projects.

    So probably not a bad self builder if you ask me

    Project managers aren't self builders. He has no conduit under his floor for wiring back to his CU.

    Project managers are project managers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,465 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Dats_rite wrote: »
    You rest your case.....without knowing the previous owners experience?

    He's a project manager for a construction company road building, windfarm construction and importantly a large house building company. He has managed a few large house build projects.

    So probably not a bad self builder if you ask me

    The problem is that, for example, the guy putting in the concrete floor wasnt told to put in conduit and the electrician didnt tell anyone to put in conduit, so now you have no conduit. If you need to run another cable its a total PITA now.

    But at least your leak is fixed!


  • Posts: 7,497 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Where is that earth even going ?
    I've wired more than my fair share of houses and never wired one before the floor was poured !!


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