Water pump leaks

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If a water pump leaks where does the water go? It is a 06 ford fiesta sloshing noise when rev. This link https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2003-apr-09-hy-wheels9-story.html says air and air means leak.there is no water on the ground or the pipes. No white smoke from exhaust a la head gasket and no gunk on oil/coolant cap. I wonder if it is the water pump, but do not see any water on ground or under the bonnet

biko

If there is a leak then coolant level will drop.
Has it dropped?

A sloshing noise could be air trapped in the coolant system somewhere.

chicorytip

Kelly Clean Grape wrote: »

If a water pump leaks where does the water go? It is a 06 ford fiesta sloshing noise when rev. This link https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2003-apr-09-hy-wheels9-story.html says air and air means leak.there is no water on the ground or the pipes. No white smoke from exhaust a la head gasket and no gunk on oil/coolant cap. I wonder if it is the water pump, but do not see any water on ground or under the bonnet

It can leak on to the drive belt which can lead to the belt falling off the pulleys. Have you heard any squealing noises or does the power steering feel heavier than normal at low speed?

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chicorytip wrote: »

It can leak on to the drive belt which can lead to the belt falling off the pulleys. Have you heard any squealing noises or does the power steering feel heavier than normal at low speed?

nothing like that

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biko wrote: »

If there is a leak then coolant level will drop.
Has it dropped?

A sloshing noise could be air trapped in the coolant system somewhere.

it goes down a little but comes up if the top left off coolant reservoir and engine running.


the link i gave said if there is air there is a leak

Bunkernumber1

Kelly Clean Grape wrote: »

it goes down a little but comes up if the top left off coolant reservoir and engine running.


the link i gave said if there is air there is a leak

If your water pump was leaking you would know. Because you would be adding coolent to it ever so often. Also now I'm not a Ford mechanic but the last time I was at one the water pump was run off the fan belt so would be easy change. Have you looked around the pump to see if there are any indication that theres water leaking

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Bunkernumber1 wrote: »

If your water pump was leaking you would know. Because you would be adding coolent to it ever so often. Also now I'm not a Ford mechanic but the last time I was at one the water pump was run off the fan belt so would be easy change. Have you looked around the pump to see if there are any indication that theres water leaking

no sign of water leaking anywhere

greasepalm

Main culprits for leakage are
Plastic thermostat housing complete.
Expansion bottle and cap
Water pump and timing belt replaced at same time 8years.
When car is on ramp its easy to see bottom of sump with red stains = dried coolant.

Bunkernumber1

Kelly Clean Grape wrote: »

no sign of water leaking anywhere

So what makes u think ur water pump is leaking

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Bunkernumber1 wrote: »

So what makes u think ur water pump is leaking

i dont think it is the pump necessarily but see OP

greasepalm

Leaving the cap loose can and will force water out of bottle as well known.Leakage under bonnet on engine will give off a sweet smell and taste on your mouth.Forgot to add radiator weeping at bottom or with a crust of previous leak that has dried up.

biko

Burp the car, top up with coolant and keep an eye on the fluid level.

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Unless I'm mistaken we gave the OP the possibilities with this problem before. Maybe it's time to have it checked by a mechanic.
One thing though I've seen many cars with the head gasket gone that wasn't overheating or have oil in the water. So my advice is get a mechanic to check it out.

greasepalm

I am looking at it by virtual means as done loads on fiesta and focus models.If he looks under the car nearly below the alternator it should have plenty of stains.

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greasepalm wrote: »

Leaving the cap loose can and will force water out of bottle as well known.Leakage under bonnet on engine will give off a sweet smell and taste on your mouth.Forgot to add radiator weeping at bottom or with a crust of previous leak that has dried up.

No sweet smell. I'm not sure what you mean by "Leaving the cap loose can and will force water out of bottle as well known." You mean if i left the cap loose on the coolant reservoir? No I didn't.


The coolant reservoir was changed and it just occured to me they might have put on the old cap as it is dirty. Wouldn't be surprised, the morons that did it

greasepalm

Caps are known to fail and not seal if under pressure hence we change both as cap is easier to screw on and off.
Some times we see cap loose as they are not tight enough because of seal is dry.

If coolant still goes down check thermostat housing.

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I saw some water this eveing. It is up over the fan belt

chicorytip

Kelly Clean Grape wrote: »

I saw some water this eveing. It is up over the fan belt

I think the water pump is leaking and will need to be replaced. I had a similar issue with my own car recently. The water was leaking on to the belt eventually causing it to fall off completely. It's difficult to detect.

greasepalm

Has your timing belt been replaced?

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chicorytip wrote: »

I think the water pump is leaking and will need to be replaced. I had a similar issue with my own car recently. The water was leaking on to the belt eventually causing it to fall off completely. It's difficult to detect.

the water is way above the fan belt

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greasepalm wrote: »

Has your timing belt been replaced?

not recently

greasepalm

1.4 and 1.6 as memory goes is 8yrs or 80th.Double check under your new expansion bottle it is dry and not wet underneath.

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greasepalm wrote: »

1.4 and 1.6 as memory goes is 8yrs or 80th.Double check under your new expansion bottle it is dry and not wet underneath.

I made a mistake. The water i saw was only some spilled and resting in crevice. I dried it up with a q tip and no water reappeared. I will check expansion bottle tomorrow. The coolant goes down a bit but not much. It does not keep reducing. It goes down a bit and stops. Thanks for the help. Stay safe.

greasepalm

Lie down on ground and look at sump under altenator as you might see stains indicating stat housing issue.

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greasepalm wrote: »

Lie down on ground and look at sump under altenator as you might see stains indicating stat housing issue.

I will try tomorrow.

greasepalm

Well have you seen the leak or stain?

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greasepalm wrote: »

Well have you seen the leak or stain?

sorry for delay. No no signof a leak or any stain. and the water level did go down a little but did not continue to go down. But i still hear the sloshing noise behind the dash. When i rev it sloshes nmore


Thanks for coming back about it

biko

Two weeks ago I suggested to burp the car, did you do that?

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biko wrote: »

Two weeks ago I suggested to burp the car, did you do that?

Yes .the coolant level always goes down about an inch below the line. it does not go lower. Just goes down and stays about an inch below a point halfway between the min and the max line. I fill the coolant reservoir not the radiator as at https://www.doityourself.com/stry/how-to-burp-a-vehicles-coolant-system

greasepalm

Kelly Clean Grape wrote: »

sorry for delay. No no signof a leak or any stain. and the water level did go down a little but did not continue to go down. But i still hear the sloshing noise behind the dash. When i rev it sloshes nmore


Thanks for coming back about it

I would ask how long a drive does the car get and is temp gauge at 1/2 way and have heat on in car.Does it blow hot air through it.


I presume your power steering fluid is ok also as that can give flushing noise.

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greasepalm wrote: »

I would ask how long a drive does the car get and is temp gauge at 1/2 way and have heat on in car.Does it blow hot air through it.


I presume your power steering fluid is ok also as that can give flushing noise.

The temp guage is always 1/2 way and the heater works fine and blows hot air. The car would be driven every day locally and pre covid restrictions would be regulary driven round trips 80 miles and more. It never overheats,temp guage is always 1/2 way. I will look at the power steering fluid in daylight tomorrow but I imagine its OK as the steering is fine

chicorytip

Kelly Clean Grape wrote: »

Yes .the coolant level always goes down about an inch below the line. it does not go lower. Just goes down and stays about an inch below a point halfway between the min and the max line. I fill the coolant reservoir not the radiator as at https://www.doityourself.com/stry/how-to-burp-a-vehicles-coolant-system

Mmmm...still sounds like the water pump is leaking to me. It's difficult to diagnose exactly without putting the car up on a ramp but usually, if there is a leak, the coolant level will keep reducing below normal but not completely empty and everything else will appear normal which seems to be what you have been describing.

greasepalm

When waterpump leaks on these a stain is on fanbelt side of sump.
Any damp marks/stains on rad support base.
No strange multicolour streaks on windscreen.
Any stains on top of gearbox as from running down from a water housing.
Any sweet smell/taste when you lift the bonnet with hot engine.

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greasepalm wrote: »

When waterpump leaks on these a stain is on fanbelt side of sump.
Any damp marks/stains on rad support base.
No strange multicolour streaks on windscreen.
Any stains on top of gearbox as from running down from a water housing.
Any sweet smell/taste when you lift the bonnet with hot engine.

no stains. no taste/smell. no marks on windscreen

Blueshoe

Buy yourself a coolant system pressure tester. Put some air pressure into the system and newspaper under the engine. Come back in the morning and see if the pressure has dropped and if the paper is wet.

Someone else might have an idea of the adequate amount of pressure that can be added to the system

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Blueshoe wrote: »

Buy yourself a coolant system pressure tester. Put some air pressure into the system and newspaper under the engine. Come back in the morning and see if the pressure has dropped and if the paper is wet.

Someone else might have an idea of the adequate amount of pressure that can be added to the system

posted in wrong place was not meant to be a reply was meant to be stand alone comment

Blueshoe

Kelly Clean Grape wrote: »

i burped it again today. the sloshing stopped for a while then started again. I am getting rid of it life is too short. Thanks everyone especially greasepalm

I'm not suggesting burping it. Burn it seems like the next solution.

greasepalm

Does car start with a miss from cold as wondering if head gasket query and engine is hot the water pressure can pump/bleed into the combustion chamber which gives a partial miss in the morning.

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I posted this as a reply by mistake it was meant to be stand alone comment



"i burped it again today. the sloshing stopped for a while then started again. I am getting rid of it life is too short. Thanks everyone especially greasepalm"

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greasepalm wrote: »

Does car start with a miss from cold as wondering if head gasket query and engine is hot the water pressure can pump/bleed into the combustion chamber which gives a partial miss in the morning.

it starts straight away