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Anyone using Revolut to trade shares?

  • 11-03-2020 10:28am
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    Registered Users Posts: 215 ✭✭ Coil Kilcrea


    Just wondering if anyone has used Revolut to trade shares and would be interested to learn how you find it or what approach you take?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭ garrettod


    Hi,

    No, but it's on my list of things to look into.

    I've yet to put the time in, but at first glance, it looks like there are very limited markets available - perhaps that is just on the free version of Revolut?

    Thanks,

    G.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,574 ✭✭✭ adam88


    Their prices are a rip off.


  • Registered Users Posts: 215 ✭✭ Coil Kilcrea


    adam88 wrote: »
    Their prices are a rip off.

    Can you share more?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,574 ✭✭✭ adam88


    Can you share more?

    One share last week. Regular stock exchange was 40 approx. REVOLUT was 43. Massive spreads


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,251 ✭✭✭✭ Ush1


    adam88 wrote: »
    One share last week. Regular stock exchange was 40 approx. REVOLUT was 43. Massive spreads

    Thanks for that, never noticed. I was delighted with the commission free trades.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,574 ✭✭✭ adam88


    Ush1 wrote: »
    Thanks for that, never noticed. I was delighted with the commission free trades.

    It’s like the post office doing commission free foreign exchange. They catch you anyway cause the exchange rates are so bad


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 7,836 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Jim2007


    adam88 wrote: »
    One share last week. Regular stock exchange was 40 approx. REVOLUT was 43. Massive spreads

    It is not a spread. It is simply that your order was directed to the market maker offering your broker the best commission for trade direction not the best price. The is how commission free trades work, it is well known and widely documented.

    The price of your free trade is that the market maker gets to bid for your trade and no one is particularly worried about the price you get. In most cases arbitrage keeps the prices within reason and unless you are watching the order book you will not notice that you did not get the best price. But every so often there is a FU... and some clients get to see a bit of reality.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15 ✭✭✭ rebelArt2018


    Guys,

    Does anybody hold shares with them and received notification about transfer to UK authority?

    thanks


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭ Anatom


    They sent an email a couple of weeks ago about moving to Lithuania, but nothing about any transfer to a UK authority. I am not a shareholder, but I am a customer.


    On 31st December, 2020 the Brexit transition period with the EU is due to end, so we’re taking action to make sure our Irish customers are not affected when the UK leaves the EU.

    In two months, we will be moving our European customers to the electronic money licence held by Revolut in Lithuania. This will ensure that your Revolut service will continue smoothly when the Brexit process is concluded. It means you’ll still be able to use all of the services and features that you love. You don’t need to do anything and we will contact you again when we have made the switch.


  • Registered Users Posts: 355 ✭✭ sean72


    What’s the situation in relation to tax on shares. For example if I put in a 1000 and made 300 and decided to cash out (or whatever the term is). What is the tax hit and is it made at source when cashing out or is it something I’d have to do. I’m PAYE.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭ ArthurG


    sean72 wrote: »
    What’s the situation in relation to tax on shares. For example if I put in a 1000 and made 300 and decided to cash out (or whatever the term is). What is the tax hit and is it made at source when cashing out or is it something I’d have to do. I’m PAYE.

    My knowledge of share dealing is limited to my employee share schemes, but in general (and please correct me experts if I’m wrong):

    - you’re liable for capital gains if you exceed your annual threshold (profit) of approx €1,200 euro. You must settle this with revenue yourself. This is ‘off the top’ by the way. In other words you cannot deduct other charges (see below) and calculate CGT on the reduced amount.

    - assuming this is a secondary source of income (and not a revenue approved scheme whereby you are not liable for PAYE), you’ll be obliged to pay tax at the relevant rate for you, USC and possibly PRSI. All of this must be self declared, there is no ‘deducted at source’ as far as I know.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 170 ✭✭ DilD


    I don't know anything about Revolut's system here but I imagine they are offering CFD's and not actually purchasing stocks?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭ Mickiemcfist


    I would prefer Degiro but it's handy for fractional shares for people starting out. I.e. Amazon stock is 3,300 but you can buy $100 worth of an amazon stock (c.1/33)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭ Mickiemcfist


    DilD wrote: »
    I don't know anything about Revolut's system here but I imagine they are offering CFD's and not actually purchasing stocks?

    No, it's share dealing


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 80 ✭✭ gadarnol


    Guys,

    Does anybody hold shares with them and received notification about transfer to UK authority?

    thanks

    Yes. I started to look at degiro a while back but I haven’t finished setting it up for various reasons. I used Revolut for experiment and got the notice too. I thought I’d hold out to see what progress they made getting EU license they mentioned but if I don’t hear about it by December I’ll close it down for now. I’ve never had anything to do with shares apart from the Mary O’Rourke Telecom debacle so it’s been interesting getting to know a little. The post here about the price you get when you buy is a good reminder that the middle men rarely lose!


  • Registered Users Posts: 43,748 ✭✭✭✭ 6


    sean72 wrote: »
    What’s the situation in relation to tax on shares. For example if I put in a 1000 and made 300 and decided to cash out (or whatever the term is). What is the tax hit and is it made at source when cashing out or is it something I’d have to do. I’m PAYE.

    Same as any shares. You need to pay CGT on profit, currently 33%.

    There's an exemption of 1270 a year.


  • Registered Users Posts: 41 ✭✭✭ tamova


    I use Revolut trading and have around 15k euro in there (investing most of my pay cheque every month since May). I have DeGiro but haven't used it and that's solely because I'm 1) lazy and 2) don't see the need for anything more advanced than Revolut for long-term trading. It doesn't bother me to buy at market value, as I'm holding these stocks for years. The only fees I pay with Revolut is the currency exchange, which isn't a massive amount.

    I am a little concerned about any tax implications for myself with them not having an EU entity yet.. Can anyone advise on this?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,652 ✭✭✭ allybhoy


    Also using Revolut started back in May or so and have been contributing monthly, Was going to go with De-Giro but seeing as though i already have metal card and there are no fees it didnt make much sense. Previously they only had Market Orders, however within the last two months or so they have introduced Limit and Stop Orders which is a handy function. You also get dividends automatically and they just get added to your USD account. The main issues i have with the app is you can only trade stocks on the NASDAQ and also it is over user friendly IMO and is rubbish for tracking prices and profits, i use other apps \ spreadsheets to record my trades and calculate gains and losses. If like me though you are a casual user and just using it infrequently it is more than sufficient.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,042 ✭✭✭✭ namloc1980


    tamova wrote: »
    I use Revolut trading and have around 15k euro in there (investing most of my pay cheque every month since May). I have DeGiro but haven't used it and that's solely because I'm 1) lazy and 2) don't see the need for anything more advanced than Revolut for long-term trading. It doesn't bother me to buy at market value, as I'm holding these stocks for years. The only fees I pay with Revolut is the currency exchange, which isn't a massive amount.

    I am a little concerned about any tax implications for myself with them not having an EU entity yet.. Can anyone advise on this?

    I'd be very mindful with such a large amount with Revolut as you have that they are currently not authorised in the EU from the 1st January next due to Brexit and you will have no access to protection from any investor compensation schemes. I closed out my positions with them over the last couple of months.

    https://www.revolut.com/en-IE/help/wealth/stocks/trading-and-brexit/how-will-brexit-affect-trading-with-revolut
    How will Brexit affect trading with Revolut?

    As you know, the UK will formally leave the EU after 31 December 2020. As a result, our trading company, Revolut Trading Limited (RTL) will no longer be able to passport its services across the EEA, from 1 January 2021, as an appointed representative of its UK principal firm which is authorised and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority.

    This means that RTL will no longer be authorised on behalf of its principal firm to advertise, promote or otherwise provide the trading service to you under EU law after this date. You can, however, choose to continue trading with RTL - see how to below.

    From early November you can download the latest version of the Revolut App and confirm via the Revolut App that from 1 January 2021:

    - You are trading with RTL at your own initiative
    - You are trading with RTL on the basis of an ongoing relationship
    - You have been made aware that the Trading service is not provided by an investment entity authorised in the EU
    - You are aware that you do not have the benefit of any EU regulatory protections or investor compensation schemes by Trading with RTL.


  • Registered Users Posts: 41 ✭✭✭ tamova


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    I'd be very mindful with such a large amount with Revolut as you have that they are currently not authorised in the EU from the 1st January next due to Brexit and you will have no access to protection from any investor compensation schemes. I closed out my positions with them over the last couple of months.

    https://www.revolut.com/en-IE/help/wealth/stocks/trading-and-brexit/how-will-brexit-affect-trading-with-revolut

    Thanks for this. Do you think this is actually of concern though? Surely the governing rules in UK would protect me?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,042 ✭✭✭✭ namloc1980


    tamova wrote: »
    Thanks for this. Do you think this is actually of concern though? Surely the governing rules in UK would protect me?

    UK will be outside the common market and outside the EU financial services passporting rules on the 1st January. Revolut does not have protection under the UK investor compensation scheme. If you want to check for yourself check out the UK Financial Services Compensation Scheme website and put in revolut in the search box. They aren't covered.

    https://www.fscs.org.uk/check-your-money-is-protected/


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 7,836 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Jim2007


    tamova wrote: »
    Thanks for this. Do you think this is actually of concern though? Surely the governing rules in UK would protect me?


    Why? We've never had this situation in the past....


    Beyond assumption, there is no evidence that a contract entered into outside the jurisdiction under passporting financial services will be covered by national law after the transition period ends.


    If there is a large sum of money involved, I would not be very comfortable relying on such assumptions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 80 ✭✭ gadarnol


    I cashed in my revolut shares a few days ago; I see today on the app that if you want continue trading you have to click on a UK governance acceptance button. Glad I got out for the moment. I'll wait for EU licence.


  • Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭ LeineGlas


    Are fractional shares on Revolut liable for Stamp Duty, and how is it paid?


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