Murder-Suicide in Nevada

dublinman1990

I was watching this on RTÉ News a short while ago. An Irish woman from Kerry has been killed in a murder-suicide in Nevada. A husband & wife in their 50's & 2 teenagers who attend the local high school were found dead in their home by police in Reno.

They have been officially named by police in Reno.

The woman who died is known as 53 year-old Jane Huber.

Her husband 50 year old Adam Huber with their 2 sons 17-year-old Adam and 16-year-old Michael were also found dead.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0306/1120533-death-nevada-named/

I have to admit this story is grim. I don't know what else to say over it only to say that I'm speechless. R.I.P.

Granadino

An American family , mother was Irish ?

Jim_Hodge

It's not an Irish family from Kerry. It's a woman from Kerry who has been in the US for 30 years.

refusetolose

UPDATE: Reno Police say Joan Huber shot her husband, children before taking her own life

https://eu.rgj.com/story/news/2020/03/06/reno-police-more-details-south-reno-murder-suicide-expected-friday/4977095002/

tritium

refusetolose wrote: »

UPDATE: Reno Police say Joan Huber shot her husband, children before taking her own life

https://eu.rgj.com/story/news/2020/03/06/reno-police-more-details-south-reno-murder-suicide-expected-friday/4977095002/

Christ, I know a few things are still before the courts so can’t be directly commented on but there seems to be a mini spate of stories in this vein recently

Assetbacked

Death is too good for her. Selfish, psycho murderer. Rot in hell. The poor family.

Wanderer78

Assetbacked wrote:

Death is too good for her. Selfish, psycho murderer. Rot in hell. The poor family.

Maybe she was having some serious psychological issues, maybe

Assetbacked

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Maybe she was having some serious psychological issues, maybe

Even if, she murdered her two young sons and husband. That still justifies the term psycho murderer. It reminds me of that other shocking murder by Deirdre Morley a few weeks ago, who killed her three children and is trying to get out of culpability currently due to claims of mental impairment.

Wanderer78

Assetbacked wrote:

Even if, she murdered her two young sons and husband. That still justifies the term psycho murderer.

I disagree, I suspect there was some serious psychological issues going on there, and probably for some time, this woman was probably showing signs of severe distress for some time, what a tragedy

Assetbacked

Assetbacked wrote: »

Even if, she murdered her two young sons and husband. That still justifies the term psycho murderer. It reminds me of that other shocking murder by Deirdre Morley a few weeks ago, who killed her three children and is trying to get out of culpability currently due to claims of mental impairment.

Are you a psychiatrist by profession?

Assetbacked

Dav010 wrote: »

Are you a psychiatrist by profession?

Sticking up for the mother? Classy.

Wanderer78

Assetbacked wrote:

Death is too good for her. Selfish, psycho murderer. Rot in hell. The poor family.

Assetbacked wrote:

Sticking up for the mother? Classy.

Classy!

LillySV

Hope they all rip

ThewhiteJesus

She shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die.

Assetbacked

Assetbacked wrote: »

Sticking up for the mother? Classy.

Not rushing to judgement until facts are established. Wise.

Assetbacked

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Classy!

Wow. Genuinely. You are protecting her and ignoring her horrendous act. Nice one.

Wanderer78

Assetbacked wrote:

Wow. Genuinely. You are protecting her and ignoring her horrendous act. Nice one.

Fcuking hell, how ignorant can a person be, I guess we re just about to find out!

osarusan

'Murica....no, wait...eh...'Erry.

MonsterCookie

Jesus that’s very sad. RIP.

An Ri rua

Assetbacked wrote: »

Even if, she murdered her two young sons and husband. That still justifies the term psycho murderer. It reminds me of that other shocking murder by Deirdre Morley a few weeks ago, who killed her three children and is trying to get out of culpability currently due to claims of mental impairment.

I agree with Assetbacked's general viewpoint, I think. Ive noticed almost no discussion in my (majority female) office workplace of either heinous crimes. Yet where a man does similar, like the teacher in Meath, we never hear the end of it. Rightly so. But the relative silence (of condemnation) tends to be deafening when it's a woman. A woman, a mother, is filled with only love so she must have been unhinged to act in such an unnatural way. Such narratives are indirectly insidious towards men.
God rest all concerned. But on Planet Earth she stands guilty (allegedly, you pedants) of a truly heinous act.

Granadino

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Maybe she was having some serious psychological issues, maybe

you reckon?

Wanderer78

Granadino wrote:

you reckon?

Ah I'm unsure now, after reading some informed comments on here

Fritzbox

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Maybe she was having some serious psychological issues, maybe

Is the first suggestion/explanation you always make everytime there is a murder or violent rape reported in the media?

Wanderer78

Fritzbox wrote:

Is the first suggestion/explanation you always make everytime there is a murder or violent rape reported in the media?

More or less, yup, most perpetrators such as, would have serious underlying psychological disorders

Fritzbox

Wanderer78 wrote: »

More or less, yup, most perpetrators such as, would have serious underlying psychological disorders

There is a lot of truth in that, yes. A lot of people convicted of rape against women and children had themselves suffered abusive and violent childhoods.

But most people would not rush to defend the perpetrator of a such crimes when they first learn about them in the media - it's usually the opposite reaction surely?

BENDYBINN

Wanderer78 wrote: »

More or less, yup, most perpetrators such as, would have serious underlying psychological disorders

Exactly, it’s time we got rid of the courts and prisons and just send these people off to see a doctor........

santana75

Something dark is going on in suburbs the world over it seems. These Murder suicide cases are becoming more and more frequent. And every time the same comments are made by people who knew them "She/he was the last person you'd suspect of doing something like this". This phenomenon needs to be studied and understood in order to finally get to the root cause. Its not a new thing either, been going on as far back as I can remember, only difference now it seems to be happening way more often. People living in domestic quiet desperation, cracking up and turning violent. It needs to end.

Talisman

santana75 wrote: »

Something dark is going on in suburbs the world over it seems. These Murder suicide cases are becoming more and more frequent. And every time the same comments are made by people who knew them "She/he was the last person you'd suspect of doing something like this". This phenomenon needs to be studied and understood in order to finally get to the root cause. Its not a new thing either, been going on as far back as I can remember, only difference now it seems to be happening way more often. People living in domestic quiet desperation, cracking up and turning violent. It needs to end.

It's common to find the people have a personality disorder - think Jekyll and Hyde. Stress brings the irrational facet of the person to the fore, afterwards it recedes and the person behaves like 'normal'.

Casey78

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Maybe she was having some serious psychological issues, maybe

Oh ffs will you shut up. Mental issues always brought up when it's a woman doing the killing.
Anyone that kills their own flesh and blood is evil end of story.

Talisman

Casey78 wrote: »

Oh ffs will you shut up. Mental issues always brought up when it's a woman doing the killing.
Anyone that kills their own flesh and blood is evil end of story.

It really isn't that simple.

Casey78

Talisman wrote: »

It really isn't that simple.

Yes it is.

Casey78

Funny when everyone thought it was the husband who did it there was no mention of mental health or any of that. Suddenly now we know it was the Mother who committed these heinous evil crimes it's all oh God love her sure she must have been suffering the poor woman.
Evil cow is what she was.

spurious

Has anyone mentioned 'if she was a man we would all hate her' yet?


**edit**Oh LOL just as I posted....

Casey78

spurious wrote: »

Has anyone mentioned 'if she was a man we would all hate her' yet?


**edit**Oh LOL just as I posted....

Yeah lol indeed. Let's cover up the fact the evil crime will be both reported and commented on differently because it was the mother and not the father. But you keep your head stuck in the sand and post your lol's

spurious

You don't really get it, do you?
Hang around for a while, you will.

Casey78

Oh I get it alright, mental health is used as an excuse for everything nowadays and anyone that questions it doesn't "get it"

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

An Ri rua wrote: »

I agree with Assetbacked's general viewpoint, I think. Ive noticed almost no discussion in my (majority female) office workplace of either heinous crimes. Yet where a man does similar, like the teacher in Meath, we never hear the end of it. Rightly so. But the relative silence (of condemnation) tends to be deafening when it's a woman. A woman, a mother, is filled with only love so she must have been unhinged to act in such an unnatural way. Such narratives are indirectly insidious towards men.
God rest all concerned. But on Planet Earth she stands guilty (allegedly, you pedants) of a truly heinous act.

I don’t know about you, but I heard a lot about the Deirdre Morley case. And the reason there was such a furore around Alan Hawe was because he was almost praised in the media. The focus was on his pillar of the community status. Deirdre Morley didn’t get that treatment.

Casey78

Casey78 wrote: »

Oh I get it alright, mental health is used as an excuse for everything nowadays and anyone that questions it doesn't "get it"

You don’t think there could be a mental health issue here?

Talisman

Alan Hawe was also suffering from a mental illness.

Alan Hawe was not facing disciplinary threat, school says (Irish Times, March 2019)

Prof Harry Kennedy, clinical director at the Central Mental Hospital who reviewed Hawe’s suicide notes and reports from his therapist and GP, told the inquest that Hawe was suffering from a severe mental illness and had “catastrophised” a number of incidents as a consequence of psychotic symptoms.

He said his psychotic episodes had left his judgment “severely impaired” and that he might have believed that some catastrophe or terrible event was about to befall him.

CageWager

Usual story, a man kills his family he was evil, domineering, controlling, toxic masculinity, etc. When a women does the killing she had mental health issues and should be pitied.

chicorytip

CageWager wrote: »

Usual story, a man kills his family he was evil, domineering, controlling, toxic masculinity, etc. When a women does the killing she had mental health issues and should be pitied.

The bigger story is US gun laws and how easy it is to simply go out and purchase lethal firearms in that jurisdiction. The state of Nevada, where these deaths occurred, is among the least regulated in this regard. Nothing more than proof of residence is required of a potential purchaser. Indeed, many of the major supermarket chains now stock guns -displayed in locked glass cases - on their aisles throughout the country.
Could this event have occurred anywhere else in the world?

BENDYBINN

chicorytip wrote: »

The bigger story is US gun laws and how easy it is to simply go out and purchase lethal firearms in that jurisdiction. The state of Nevada, where these deaths occurred, is among the least regulated in this regard. Nothing more than proof of residence is required of a potential purchaser. Indeed, many of the major supermarket chains now stock guns -displayed in locked glass cases - on their aisles throughout the country.
Could this event have occurred anywhere else in the world?

It occurred in Dublin just a few weeks ago......just by a different method.

the_pen_turner

chicorytip wrote: »

The bigger story is US gun laws and how easy it is to simply go out and purchase lethal firearms in that jurisdiction. The state of Nevada, where these deaths occurred, is among the least regulated in this regard. Nothing more than proof of residence is required of a potential purchaser. Indeed, many of the major supermarket chains now stock guns -displayed in locked glass cases - on their aisles throughout the country.
Could this event have occurred anywhere else in the world?

thats nonscience. it is very true that it is stupidly easy to get guns in the us. but the point is that these people have serious mental issues . they are going to find a way to kill. they just used the easiest method to them. if there were no guns they would have used some other way.

ceadaoin.

chicorytip wrote: »

The bigger story is US gun laws and how easy it is to simply go out and purchase lethal firearms in that jurisdiction. The state of Nevada, where these deaths occurred, is among the least regulated in this regard. Nothing more than proof of residence is required of a potential purchaser. Indeed, many of the major supermarket chains now stock guns -displayed in locked glass cases - on their aisles throughout the country.
Could this event have occurred anywhere else in the world?

I live in nevada and no supermarkets have guns for sale that I've ever seen. That's nonsense.

chicorytip

the_pen_turner wrote: »

thats nonscience. it is very true that it is stupidly easy to get guns in the us. but the point is that these people have serious mental issues . they are going to find a way to kill. they just used the easiest method to them. if there were no guns they would have used some other way.

Would she have been capable of carrying out the killings without the use of a firearm and by some other method or without the assistance of another individual? I think not. She acted alone (we presume, at this stage) so required the capability to overpower an adult male and two teenaged boys. This could not be accomplished using a baseball bat. So, I think my original point is valid and not fanciful. Could you imagine such an incident occurring here in Ireland, for example, given our very strict gun licencing laws?

the_pen_turner

chicorytip wrote: »

Would she have been capable of carrying out the killings without the use of a firearm and by some other method or without the assistance of another individual? I think not. She acted alone (we presume, at this stage) so required the capability to overpower an adult male and two teenaged boys. This could not be accomplished using a baseball bat. So, I think my original point is valid and not fanciful. Could you imagine such an incident occurring here in Ireland, for example, given our very strict gun licencing laws?

your poit is not valid and is completely fancyfull.
you cannot blame this on guns and how stupidly easy they are to get.

it would be dificult to kill 3 people with a baseball bat if they were all in a room at the same time. but one by one with suprise on your side it would be esy enough.

lots of way to kill people like with your car, poisoning, stabbing etc. a killer will always find a away to kill. blame the killer not the weapon

while our gun laws a very strick , it is fairly easy to get a gun on the black market or by breaking into a farmers house etc.

Kidchameleon

Assetbacked wrote: »

Death is too good for her. Selfish, psycho murderer. Rot in hell. The poor family.

How can you say that about a poor woman? If it was the husband then fair enough but women cannot be spoken about like that.

May they Rest In Peace

chicorytip

BENDYBINN wrote: »

It occurred in Dublin just a few weeks ago......just by a different method.

The circumstances of both cases are not comparable at all.

Dravokivich

chicorytip wrote: »

The circumstances of both cases are not comparable at all.

Becuase of a gun?

IAMAMORON

santana75 wrote: »

Something dark is going on in suburbs the world over it seems. These Murder suicide cases are becoming more and more frequent. And every time the same comments are made by people who knew them "She/he was the last person you'd suspect of doing something like this". This phenomenon needs to be studied and understood in order to finally get to the root cause. Its not a new thing either, been going on as far back as I can remember, only difference now it seems to be happening way more often. People living in domestic quiet desperation, cracking up and turning violent. It needs to end.

It is common enough. RIP to all concerned, what a tragedy.

The perpetrator develops a mental psychosis where they decide to kill themselves. As part of that psychosis they bizarrely decide to kill all their loved ones to "protect" them from harm after they have died. The psychosis deludes the perpetrator into thinking that they are "saving" their family from further harm. Sometimes even protecting them from the grief after the action. It is paradoxically a survival mechanism, strange I know, but true.

We don't know the exact cause of the psychosis in this instance, it could have been she decided to murder her husband and then once this decision was processed the psychosis decided that her sons could not live or handle the grief. Or more sinisterly she may have killed one of her sons and then chosen to kill her husband and his brother etc.

These crimes are extremely difficult to prevent as the psychosis can occur at any time and under any circumstance. It sadly could happen to anyone, in a lot of cases there is no history of mental illness. This is partly to do with the mental narcissism of the perpetrator, they never believe they are sick.

This is tragically a mental health issue rather than that woman being a murderer. Who in their right mind would ever harm their family in such a way?