Vw Golf tdi mk7 wrong gearbox

Ryannn1435

Hi all, so I bought myself a mk7 TDi bluemotion Golf last Friday and was hoping that someone would be kind enough to shed some light on an issue I've been having. Basically, the gearbox illustrates 6 speeds, and when driving in 5th gear the dashboard prompts me to change to 6th gear (the car also sounds like it needs to change gear when in 5th). However, and my stupidity cannot be ruled out, there is no 6th gear? I've checked the log book and 6th gear should be directly below 5th but is not. No hidden trick to change to 6th or anything. Also, I performed an AA history check with revealed the car is a 6 speed car. Can anyone please let me know what is going on? Is it the case that a 5 speed gearbox is fitted? I have 3 months warranty on the car and the dealer is to look at the car today. Many thanks in advance

Pacifico

1.6 or 2.0L?

Ryannn1435

Pacifico wrote: »

1.6 or 2.0L?

It's a 1.6 l

Toyotafanboi

Are you sure? 1.6 and 2.0 would be visually almost identical.

Could it be either a 2.0 car with a 1.6 box or a 1.6 car with a 2.0 engine retrofit?

colm_mcm

Strange that the AA would say it’s 6 speed. Something not adding up.

Can you post the reg?

Ryannn1435

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Are you sure? 1.6 and 2.0 would be visually almost identical.

Could it be either a 2.0 car with a 1.6 box or a 1.6 car with a 2.0 engine retrofit?

Yeah I’m pretty sure it’s a 1.6L.. not powerful enough to be a 2 L... I’m gonna bring it to an independent mechanic for reassurance though

Ryannn1435

colm_mcm wrote: »

Strange that the AA would say it’s 6 speed. Something not adding up.

Can you post the reg?

Yeah it’s odd but it was definitely registered as a 6 speed... I can message you the reg if you think that will help? Thanks

Quick update: I brought it back to the dealer and explained the 6th gear is missing.. he argue that it’s strange and booked the car in with the mechanic... also said that whatever the issue is it will be fixed- thoughts?

colm_mcm

Send on the reg by PM please.

Henry Ford III

Ryannn1435 wrote: »

Yeah it’s odd but it was definitely registered as a 6 speed... I can message you the reg if you think that will help? Thanks

Quick update: I brought it back to the dealer and explained the 6th gear is missing.. he argue that it’s strange and booked the car in with the mechanic... also said that whatever the issue is it will be fixed- thoughts?

Sounds very odd. Gearbox/clutch/linkeage issue I'd guess.

Ryannn1435

Yeah it's quite strange. The car only has 44000 miles too which has checked out when I performed a history check

colm_mcm

From reg


Car is a UK import 142 Golf 1.6 TDI Bluemotion 110PS 5dr


That should be 5 speed to my knowledge.

There was a 6 speed 1.6 in some markets including the uk.


Here is a sample 6 speed uk one. WN64ESY.
CO2 is 85g/km

Can you check your tax disc and see what Co2 rating your car has.

Henry Ford III

Why didn't you try every gear on the test drive?

colm_mcm

Does the car have Bluemotion badges on the wings?

Ryannn1435

Not too sure but I know it's defo a bluemotion

Ryannn1435

So used to 5 gears it never crossed my mind plus though a warranty will cover it as he assured it would if I faced any problems

Ryannn1435

Thanks @Colm... yeah the tax disc has 85 printed on it

colm_mcm

Safe to say it’s supposed to be 6 speed then.

miece16

If the gearbox is changed, i'd say it could potentially be clocked too. Unless i'm totally wrong and the gearbox just blew up but after only 44k miles seems unlikely? I'm on the original box in an Octavia after 330,000km and its as smooth as butter

blackbox

colm_mcm wrote: »

From reg


Car is a UK import 142 Golf 1.6 TDI Bluemotion 110PS 5dr


That should be 5 speed to my knowledge.

There was a 6 speed 1.6 in some markets including the uk.


Here is a sample 6 speed uk one. WN64ESY.
CO2 is 85g/km

Can you check your tax disc and see what Co2 rating your car has.

If it was a 5-speed with original gearbox why would he be getting a prompt to change into sixth?

Ryannn1435

I thought that but the miles stated on NCT cert and history all seem to check out. Would be the case that the last driver was terrible and screwed the gearbox - your guess is as good as mine though

colm_mcm

blackbox wrote: »

If it was a 5-speed with original gearbox why would he be getting a prompt to change into sixth?

Please read the rest of the thread where it’s pretty clear that it’s supposed to be 6 speed.

Most of them aren’t 6 speed.

colm_mcm

Ryannn1435 wrote: »

I thought that but the miles stated on NCT cert and history all seem to check out. Would be the case that the last driver was terrible and screwed the gearbox - your guess is as good as mine though

Going on the reg number you gave me, you’re the 3rd owner (not including garages) in Ireland (the previous one being July 2019) as well as whoever owned it in the UK.

Did you do a check to verify the mileage or writeoff history in the uk for example? The likes of Cartell or Motorcheck

TheBoyConor

Gearbox could be just knackered in it.

cpoh1

Two potential causes:
1. Gearbox is knackered
2. Gearbox failed previously and they replaced it with the more readily available 5 speed from a scrap yard

Even if its a little late i would be getting the UK reg and doing a history search as others have mentioned to confirm mileage and write off history.

Its highly unlikely for a gearbox to fail at that mileage regardless of driving style.

Ryannn1435

colm_mcm wrote: »

Going on the reg number you gave me, you’re the 3rd owner (not including garages) in Ireland (the previous one being July 2019) as well as whoever owned it in the UK.

Did you do a check to verify the mileage or writeoff history in the uk for example? The likes of Cartell or Motorcheck

Yeah the AA history check provided me with the English ref and the UK history check came up clean

Ryannn1435

cpoh1 wrote: »

Two potential causes:
1. Gearbox is knackered
2. Gearbox failed previously and they replaced it with the more readily available 5 speed from a scrap yard

Even if its a little late i would be getting the UK reg and doing a history search as others have mentioned to confirm mileage and write off history.

Its highly unlikely for a gearbox to fail at that mileage regardless of driving style.

Good thinking I’d say they did just replace the gear with the common 5 speed gearbox. Now I wonder if the dealer knew that or if he was shafted by whoever sold him the car. He seemed genuine enough and honestly puzzled/shocked by the 6th gear

two wheels good

There might be a gearbox code stamped somewhere e.g. on the bell-housing (Based on past experience with Honda not VW)

[EDIT] Apparently it's on a sticker in the boot and on the service book. But is it on the gearbox?

selectamatic

two wheels good wrote: »

There might be a gearbox code stamped somewhere e.g. on the bell-housing (Based on past experience with Honda not VW)

Ya vw have gearbox codes too.

I don't know the six speed 1.6tdi mk7 code off hand though

L-M

There was a 1.6 TDI Bluemotion Golf which has a 6 speed gearbox. It would have a Closed intake front grill, Bluemotion badges on the wings, a slight body kit and also usually a slightly blue centre to the seats.

It sounds like the 6 speed box went and someone put a 5 speed gearbox in it. Because the 6 speed Bluemotion 1,6 was very very rare.

User1998

Spot on. I sold a base model Bluemotion 1.6 tdi just like that with 6 speed and sat nav and haven’t seen one since. Definitely a rare gearbox to find a replacement for

TheBoyConor

Best thing to do is see can you find a 5-speed gearknob and get one of them eastern european car software wizards to change the software to a 5 speed so the ^6 stops coming up on the dash.
Then Donedeal it and get rid asap.

un5byh7sqpd2x0

TheBoyConor wrote: »

Best thing to do is see can you find a 5-speed gearknob and get one of them eastern european car software wizards to change the software to a 5 speed so the ^6 stops coming up on the dash.
Then Donedeal it and get rid asap.

You missed the bit where the OP only bought the car 5 days ago from a dealer?

TheBoyConor

Then bring it back and say it is not as it should be and demand he take it back or else provide you with a hefty discount. Bring someone with you and put him under intense pressure and refuse to leave until you get some sort of satisfaction out of him. Go in during a busy time when a lot of potential customers are around. The more pressure you put him under the more likely he is to fold.

_Brian

Back to the dealer ASAP

Some shananigans going one here and OP has paid for something he didn’t get.

Henry Ford III

The old adage buy in haste and repent at leisure springs to mind.

How you didn't check out the car fully before purchasing is beyond me op. Checking all the gears is very basic stuff. Hopefully the dealer takes the car back, or assuming an inferior box has been fitted, gets the proper one.

L-M

TheBoyConor wrote: »

Then bring it back and say it is not as it should be and demand he take it back or else provide you with a hefty discount. Bring someone with you and put him under intense pressure and refuse to leave until you get some sort of satisfaction out of him. Go in during a busy time when a lot of potential customers are around. The more pressure you put him under the more likely he is to fold.

Christ I wouldn’t like to meet you.

The OP already said he was back to the dealer and he was as bemused as him (Which is understandable considering it’s a rare 6 speed) and he was willing to sort it.

Ryannn1435

TheBoyConor wrote: »

Then bring it back and say it is not as it should be and demand he take it back or else provide you with a hefty discount. Bring someone with you and put him under intense pressure and refuse to leave until you get some sort of satisfaction out of him. Go in during a busy time when a lot of potential customers are around. The more pressure you put him under the more likely he is to fold.

Henry Ford III wrote: »

The old adage buy in haste and repent at leisure springs to mind.

How you didn't check out the car fully before purchasing is beyond me op. Checking all the gears is very basic stuff. Hopefully the dealer takes the car back, or assuming an inferior box has been fitted, gets the proper one.

I don't believe this reasoning is applicable when buying from a trader/dealership. Like any other good purchased it should be of merchantable quality and match the description. The car was advertise as a 6 speed and it subsequently turn out not to be. The onus also lays on the seller to remain transparent and disclose all faults - regardless if he knew or not - he ought have known. They are car dealers after all... kind of his job to know.

Also, not everyone is well seasoned in auto-trading, and often the average joe who knows little about cars do miss things. However, that's the very reasoning for customer rights... to protect the customers. Not as if I purchased from a stranger in a car park...

Henry Ford III

Ryannn1435 wrote: »

I don't believe this reasoning is applicable when buying from a trader/dealership. Like any other good purchased it should be of merchantable quality and match the description. The car was advertise as a 6 speed and it subsequently turn out not to be. The onus also lays on the seller to remain transparent and disclose all faults - regardless if he knew or not - he ought have known. They are car dealers after all... kind of his job to know.

Also, not everyone is well seasoned in auto-trading, and often the average joe who knows little about cars do miss things. However, that's the very reasoning for customer rights... to protect the customers. Not as if I purchased from a stranger in a car park...

Yes but had you shuffled the gearstick the second you got into the car none of this would have happened.

Whatever about the benefits of buying a used car from a dealer that was a huge error on your part.

Let's see now how good or otherwise this dealer actually is. You do have consumer rights but it might take a lot of time and stress to get this resolved fully.

I'd be handing the car back and asking for a full refund personally. The fault with the car is a major one after all.

p.s. All of the above presupposes that the car was a 6 speed and now somehow isn't.

Ryannn1435

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Yes but had you shuffled the gearstick the second you got into the car none of this would have happened.

Whatever about the benefits of buying a used car from a dealer that was a huge error on your part.

Let's see now how good or otherwise this dealer actually is. You do have consumer rights but it might take a lot of time and stress to get this resolved fully.

I'd be handing the car back and asking for a full refund personally. The fault with the car is a major one after all.

p.s. All of the above presupposes that the car was a 6 speed and now somehow isn't.

Well there would be no reason for you to ever need to bring the car back... because you would have shuffled the gearstick, right?

Henry Ford III

Ryannn1435 wrote: »

Well there would be no reason for you to ever need to bring the car back... because you would have shuffled the gearstick, right?

You bought the dodgy car not me.

Had you checked you'd have discovered, before you even drove the car, that one of the gears couldn't be engaged.

That would have changed things a tad I'd suggest.

TheW1zard

Go get your money back mate

Ryannn1435

Henry Ford III wrote: »

You bought the dodgy car not me.

Had you checked you'd have discovered, before you even drove the car, that one of the gears couldn't be engaged.

That would have changed things a tad I'd suggest.

I know I must have yeah, sure you're not that stupid right?

I bought a car with a years warranty on the engine and gearbox, its being replaced now with an original new VW 6 speed gearbox. Excuse me if I relied upon a warranty for assurance that the gearbox was sound.

Henry Ford III

Ryannn1435 wrote: »

I know I must have yeah, sure you're not that stupid right?

I bought a car with a years warranty on the engine and gearbox, its being replaced now with an original new VW 6 speed gearbox. Excuse me if I relied upon a warranty for assurance that the gearbox was sound.

Correct I'm not that stupid.

You are excused.

p.s. Glad it's being sorted.

Ryannn1435

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Correct I'm not that stupid.

You are excused.

Good man, I hope you find solace in that

Henry Ford III

Ryannn1435 wrote: »

Good man, I hope you find solace in that

I didn't need any, but thanks for asking.

cpoh1

Ryannn1435 wrote: »

I know I must have yeah, sure you're not that stupid right?

I bought a car with a years warranty on the engine and gearbox, its being replaced now with an original new VW 6 speed gearbox. Excuse me if I relied upon a warranty for assurance that the gearbox was sound.

Thats a great outcome, fair play to the car dealer.

Is he replacing with a used 6 speed or a brand new VW unit? surely thats mega money?

Ryannn1435

cpoh1 wrote: »

Thats a great outcome, fair play to the car dealer.

Is he replacing with a used 6 speed or a brand new VW unit? surely thats mega money?

Yeah luckily he fixed it but there was a warranty on the gearbox so I don't think he had any other choice in the end.

He said the new VW gearbox and the service book will be stamped so yeah, I doubt he made much profit this time.

Also thanks all for your help, some really useful information was shared!

two wheels good

That's great news. An ideal outcome.
Who hasn't missed something buying second-hand.

L-M

two wheels good wrote: »

That's great news. An ideal outcome.
Who hasn't missed something buying second-hand.

Likewise for a Dealer when he could be buying multi cars a week. We probably but too much faith in the buyer.

colm_mcm

I got caught on a Bora years ago, the whole back end was really rough filler and it had broken glass on the back window ledge. It may have been hand painted even.
Looked at it in the dark and because it was a bit older I didn’t go into detail, and I desperately needed to sell the yoke he was buying which was in stock for around 6 months. I would normally be meticulous when appraising cars but for whatever reason I wasn’t that time and got rightly caught.

two wheels good

Many years ago, not in Ireland, I went to a "breakers" to buy a secondhand steering rack.
The guy I met was doing a cut and shut on a VW Jetta and he was filling the remaining creases in the boot floor with polyfiller.
Friendly chap, he was quite happy to show me around it telling me how solid the welds were at the B pillar.
(Only now in the remembering do I realise he couldn't even be bothered to get an intact rear half for the job.)