Speeding fine

Steelo90

If you got caught speeding in a company van with only a picture of the ref and that the fine has your name spelt incorrectly do you still have to pay it or is their a way around without paying it??? Speed was 109km in a 100km zone.

Salary Negotiator

No, you’ll have to pay it.

mikeecho

There is a way around paying it.

Just ignore it.

Eventually you'll get a summons for court.

Ignore that as well.

Eventually the Gardai will arrive at your door with a warrant for your arrest.

Simples.

bazz26

That loophole has been closed. They can amend the summons with the correct name if it goes to court afaik.

Bass Reeves

Unless the spelling is correct it is invalid. If a summons arrives incorrectly spelled it is invalid. It can however be issued again with correct spelling. It is obvious that somewhere from your name being given by your employer to the issue of the speeding fine an incorrect spelling happened.

However if you gave the spelling you are still libel

NewClareman

Steelo90 wrote: »

If you got caught speeding in a company van with only a picture of the ref and that the fine has your name spelt incorrectly do you still have to pay it or is their a way around without paying it??? Speed was 109km in a 100km zone.

The speeding ticket will be sent to the company, via the leasing company if the vehicle is leased. Many companies take a dim view of speeding as it is considered a health and safety issue. My advice would be to pay it as soon as you get the ticket, to avoid drawing further attention to yourself.

Steelo90

NewClareman wrote: »

The speeding ticket will be sent to the company, via the leasing company if the vehicle is leased. Many companies take a dim view of speeding as it is considered a health and safety issue. My advice would be to pay it as soon as you get the ticket, to avoid drawing further attention to yourself.

The company owns the van but it’s only a picture of the ref so no evidence it was me driving that day as all the employees drive different vans

Silent Running

They only send you the picture of the reg... they will have a picture of the whole car, including the driver, I would suspect.

gary550

Steelo90 wrote: »

If you got caught speeding in a company van with only a picture of the ref and that the fine has your name spelt incorrectly do you still have to pay it or is their a way around without paying it??? Speed was 109km in a 100km zone.

You`ll probably have to pay it.

Just out of curiosity does anyone know if there is a percentage buffer that they allow you to be over the speed limit by like say 4 - 5% to account for either a slight inaccuracy in a cars speedometer or a slight miscalibration in the speed camera?

mgbgt1978

Silent Running wrote: »

They only send you the picture of the reg... they will have a picture of the whole car, including the driver, I would suspect.

Assuming he was driving towards the GoSafe Camera .


Anyway I'd be fairly confident his company knows who was driving what van (and where) on a given day. And I can't imagine the Company Secretary is going to take the hit for this....which they will have to if they cannot produce a 'victim'.

TuringBot47

Steelo90 wrote: »

... is their a way around without paying it??? Speed was 109km in a 100km zone.

Yes, argue that the earth itself is rotating at 1,000kph around the equator.

Guy:Incognito

TuringBot47 wrote: »

Yes, argue that the earth itself is rotating at 1,000kph around the equator.

So they amend the ticket to 1,109 in a 100 zone?

Rubberchikken

If you can speed then suck up the punishment and be a man or woman or whatever just stop trying to wriggle out of it.

An Ri rua

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Unless the spelling is correct it is invalid. If a summons arrives incorrectly spelled it is invalid. It can however be issued again with correct spelling. It is obvious that somewhere from your name being given by your employer to the issue of the speeding fine an incorrect spelling happened.

However if you gave the spelling you are still libel

This is incorrect.

If you take a case to the WRC or Employment Appeals Tribunal, a misspelled entity makes it invalid. But a misspelled summons, no. Judges have ruled on that already. Google it.

I had a similar situation. The fine office in Thurles wouldn't accept payment over the phone as they said the names didn't match. She accepted that the Garda wrote my name down and didn't take it from my licence. Clearly! But she also accepted that I'd end up in court as she had no way to process this. I advised that when it got to court, the judge would dismiss my claims and throw the book at me. It's been done before, in this exact circumstance.

I rang the Garda and he was very fair about it all. He advised me to pay it over the counter in a post office and then let Thurles or whoever go and sh1te. I went in around closing, the woman at the till said she'd been caught holding s phone too, she took the payment, stamped a few bits and in the rush of things didn't cop it. Who would? Unless sat in front of a screen and the caller innocently queries it.

So, bottom line, pay the fine or you will end up in court and lose.

An Ri rua

Rubberchikken wrote: »

If you can speed then suck up the punishment and be a man or woman or whatever just stop trying to wriggle out of it.

I accept that principle when its someone doing big speed. Man up etc.
But if you've read 109kmh in a 100 and you're standing by that, I think you're doing the OP a disservice.

tcawley29

An Ri rua wrote: »

This is incorrect.

If you take a case to the WRC or Employment Appeals Tribunal, a misspelled entity makes it invalid. But a misspelled summons, no. Judges have ruled on that already. Google it.

I had a similar situation. The fine office in Thurles wouldn't accept payment over the phone as they said the names didn't match. She accepted that the Garda wrote my name down and didn't take it from my licence. Clearly! But she also accepted that I'd end up in court as she had no way to process this. I advised that when it got to court, the judge would dismiss my claims and throw the book at me. It's been done before, in this exact circumstance.

I rang the Garda and he was very fair about it all. He advised me to pay it over the counter in a post office and then let Thurles or whoever go and sh1te. I went in around closing, the woman at the till said she'd been caught holding s phone too, she took the payment, stamped a few bits and in the rush of things didn't cop it. Who would? Unless sat in front of a screen and the caller innocently queries it.

So, bottom line, pay the fine or you will end up in court and lose.

Did you still get points too?

Crock Rock

tcawley29 wrote: »

Did you still get points too?

Did you know the limit and choose to break it?

Or

Were you driving along oblivious to the speed limit?

magicbastarder

gary550 wrote: »

You`ll probably have to pay it.

Just out of curiosity does anyone know if there is a percentage buffer that they allow you to be over the speed limit by like say 4 - 5% to account for either a slight inaccuracy in a cars speedometer or a slight miscalibration in the speed camera?

Yes, speedos can be inaccurate within a certain range, but I'm the opposite direction to what you would be hoping. They can overestimate your speed but not underestimate it.

Del2005

An Ri rua wrote: »

I accept that principle when its someone doing big speed. Man up etc.
But if you've read 109kmh in a 100 and you're standing by that, I think you're doing the OP a disservice.

If they were caught doing 109 then their speedo would have been showing 115 and there's no excuse for drifting that far over. The difference for the OP is that if they don't except the points then their boss will get them and they won't be happy with that, they may be able to avoid the points but their job won't last much longer.

tcawley29

Crock Rock wrote: »

Did you know the limit and choose to break it?

Or

Were you driving along oblivious to the speed limit?

I don't really understand why you're quoting me in this. I'm not the OP and I have a clean license

Crock Rock

tcawley29 wrote: »

I don't really understand why you're quoting me in this. I'm not the OP and I have a clean license

Beg your pardon. My mistake

kirving

magicbastarder wrote: »

Yes, speedos can be inaccurate within a certain range, but I'm the opposite direction to what you would be hoping. They can overestimate your speed but not underestimate it.

Of course they can underestimate your speed. Incorrect tyres can easily cause that to happen.

Legally, the design and manufacturing tolerances must be such that at one end of the tolerance band, the speedometer still does not under read actual speed, that's all.

I've been recommended tyres by a large tyre chain that would have caused my speedo to under read by >3.5%. On the previous (correct) set of tyres, when new, the speedo matched GPS to 1km/h.

Del2005 wrote: »

If they were caught doing 109 then their speedo would have been showing 115 and there's no excuse for drifting that far over. The difference for the OP is that if they don't except the points then their boss will get them and they won't be happy with that, they may be able to avoid the points but their job won't last much longer.

Some speedos are very accurate, either by chance or by design. To within 1km/h easily.

Anyway, it's a red herring. Their speedo could be reading 50km/h and it wouldn't make the OP any less responsible.

As a side note, does the NCT check speedo accuracy? I knew my last car was accurate, and was passed by a Citroen with a big centre display going much fast than me (maybe +10km/h), showing 120km/h too.

OP, as harsh as it is, suck it up. No one will care, and will most likely sympathise, as most drivers do the same on a daily basis. You'll look far worse trying to get out of it.

magicbastarder

Kevin Irving wrote: »

Of course they can underestimate your speed. Incorrect tyres can easily cause that to happen.

Legally, the design and manufacturing tolerances must be such that at one end of the tolerance band, the speedometer still does not under read actual speed, that's all.

that's what i meant, that legally they cannot underestimate your speed.

zilog_jones

Kevin Irving wrote: »

As a side note, does the NCT check speedo accuracy?

Reasons for failure:
(a) Not in accordance with the requirments1. [there is no explanation of whatever "requirments1" is]
(b). Speedometer missing.
(c). Speedometer is not working correctly.
(d). Speedometer is not working at all.
(e). Speedometer cannot be seen from driver’s seat.
(f). Illumination of speedometer not working or defective.

Also the note: "The speedometer functions check is limited to the movement of the vehicle within the test area."

So they probably can't really check the accuracy the speedometer considering the speeds driven.

Isambard

gary550 wrote: »

You`ll probably have to pay it.

Just out of curiosity does anyone know if there is a percentage buffer that they allow you to be over the speed limit by like say 4 - 5% to account for either a slight inaccuracy in a cars speedometer or a slight miscalibration in the speed camera?

my speedo is 4% out, so if I got a ticket for doing 109 my speedo would be reading about 114/5. I think that would be fair warning that I was over the speed limit whatever the circumstances.

SVI40

gary550 wrote: »

Just out of curiosity does anyone know if there is a percentage buffer that they allow you to be over the speed limit by like say 4 - 5% to account for either a slight inaccuracy in a cars speedometer or a slight miscalibration in the speed camera?

Nope, none what so ever. You can be done for 1km/h over the limit.

An Ri rua

tcawley29 wrote: »

Did you still get points too?

Yes, I did. For 3 years

tcawley29

An Ri rua wrote: »

Yes, I did. For 3 years

Should have known he'd get the details right for that part I suppose :pac: