Unwarranted infraction

GreeBo

Hey,

I received an infraction for https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112591148&postcount=2143
Post in the off topic thread of the golf forum.

The moderator in question has a history of singling me out and ignoring other, reported posts.

Discussion via pm has failed to achieve resolution.

The post was a light-hearted, tongue in cheek msg in a "lightly moderated" off topic thread.
Cheers.

Beasty

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Please note only the OP, relevant CMod, Admin ore posters invited to contribute are allowed to post in DRP threads

Greebo I will alert the Sports CMods to this

GreeBo

Beasty wrote: »

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Please note only the OP, relevant CMod, Admin ore posters invited to contribute are allowed to post in DRP threads

Greebo I will alert the Sports CMods to this

Cheers Beasty.

Steve

Hi GreeBo,

Can you forward to me or post here the pm's between yourself and the moderator please.

Also, please post why you believe "the moderator has a history of singling me out and ignoring other, reported posts" and links to any evidence of this.

Thanks.

GreeBo

Not sure how readable it is but below is the PM thread.

Keano wrote:

Dear GreeBo,

You have been infracted for Trolling.

This means you are posting in an intentionally provocative fashion in order to gain a reaction from other members. This is disruptive and causes stress to other members.
We don't want that here.

For more information please refer to the Boards.ie FAQ.

If you wish to appeal this infraction you can see details on how to do so here.

Keano

Your post:

GreeBo wrote: »

Can anyone recommend a good online thesaurus?

Hoping to post on the McIlroy thread later and want to try to impress everyone with my perspicacity and erudite use of the vernacular.

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From : GreeBo
To : Keano
Date : 2020-02-19 23:40
Title : Re: You have received an infraction

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Please explain to me the reasoning behind this infraction within the context of the lightly moderated, off topic thread?

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From : GreeBo
To : Keano
Date : 2020-02-20 13:12
Title : Re: You have received an infraction

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Keano wrote:

Pleas explain to me the purpose and the intent on the post?

It was a tongue in cheek, lighthearted comment in a lightly moderated, off-topic thread.

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From : GreeBo
To : Keano
Date : 2020-02-20 15:22
Title : Re: You have received an infraction

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Keano wrote:

It was poorly timed and not needed, if you agree with that then we can move on.

It was meant to lighten the mood.
If you agree with that and remove the warning we can move on.

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From : GreeBo
To : Keano
Date : 2020-02-20 16:57
Title : Re: You have received an infraction

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Keano wrote:

No I don't agree it was meant to lighten the mood. There was intent behind it.

What was the intent so?

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From : GreeBo
To : Keano
Date : 2020-02-20 19:09
Title : Re: You have received an infraction

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Keano wrote:

You know too well what your intent was. You can appeal the infraction via DRP

Oh I know I can, but the process is to discuss with the moderator in question before opening a drp.

GreeBo

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057038840&page=190
You can see numerous examples in this thread where consistent, targeted bullying towards me is either ignored or meet with a paltry yellow. No red cards or bans despite multiple warnings.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112606203&postcount=427
Then from post 427 onwards I'm again targeted by two posters, somehow referencing posts I reported.
This time not even a yellow is warranted but somehow my post in the off topic thread got a red.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110316938&postcount=10
Here I'm called out for no reason, promoting the idea that it's fine to continue to launch abuse my direction with impunity.

Beasty

GreeBo wrote: »

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057038840&page=190
You can see numerous examples in this thread where consistent, targeted bullying towards me is either ignored or meet with a paltry yellow. No red cards or bans despite multiple warnings.

Greebo

That links to a page number rather than specific post and therefore brings you to different posts depending on what your page settings are set to

Could you either link to specific posts or a range of post numbers from the thread

Thanks

GreeBo

Whoops, sorry.
Unless you are a glutton for punishment, start from the bottom!
FYI there are multiple on thread warnings between the below examples.
I also have a pm discussion with one of the other mods from 2018 about the same thing. I won't post it here but can FWD if desired.
It's constant goading, posting over the line and always ignored by moderator, despite many reports. All it does is encourage others to push it further and further resulting in car crash threads. All because of a difference of opinion.
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112381933&postcount=7305
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112381933&postcount=7306
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112382655&postcount=7309
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112382977&postcount=7318
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112383035&postcount=7322
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112456919&postcount=7386
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112456919&postcount=7392

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112559488&postcount=7415
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112456919&postcount=7520
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112589142&postcount=7554
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112589185&postcount=7556
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112589348&postcount=7558
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112456919&postcount=7568
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112456919&postcount=7579
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112456919&postcount=7580
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112456919&postcount=7595
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112456919&postcount=7580

Steve

GreeBo wrote: »

The moderator in question has a history of singling me out and ignoring other, reported posts.
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That is not a basis for a DRP on its own. I'm not going to go through a plethora of threads to find evidence on your behalf. Also, as you are no longer a mod, you do not know whether they were ignored or not. I'm not entertaining this part of your dispute.

Discussion via pm has failed to achieve resolution.

OK, so here we are.

The post was a light-hearted, tongue in cheek msg in a "lightly moderated" off topic thread.
Cheers.

So, removing your tongue from your cheek, please explain to me in plain English what you meant and intended by posting "Hoping to post on the McIlroy thread later and want to try to impress everyone with my perspicacity and erudite use of the vernacular."

GreeBo

Steve wrote: »

That is not a basis for a DRP on its own. I'm not going to go through a plethora of threads to find evidence on your behalf. Also, as you are no longer a mod, you do not know whether they were ignored or not. I'm not entertaining this part of your dispute.

Well you specifically asked me to elaborate and provide evidence. If you aren't gong to entertain it, why ask?
I've given links to posts in my reply to beasty.

They were ignored in so far as no cards were given out. You don't hsve to be a mod to see a post being carded.

So, removing your tongue from your cheek, please explain to me in plain English what you meant and intended by posting "Hoping to post on the McIlroy thread later and want to try to impress everyone with my perspicacity and erudite use of the vernacular."

It was a joke about how serious the Rory McIlroy thread had become, in the supposedly lightly moderated off topic thread.
If I'm being accused of trolling, then why am I judged under a higher standard than everyone else ? (as evidenced by my links above)

Steve

GreeBo wrote: »

Well you specifically asked me to elaborate and provide evidence. If you aren't gong to entertain it, why ask?
I've given links to posts in my reply to beasty.

They were ignored in so far as no cards were given out. You don't hsve to be a mod to see a post being carded.

Cards aren't the only means of moderation.

I've looked at the recent moderator log for the Golf forum, there is no evidence that you were being singled out or unfairly targeted.
I've redacted anything not relevant to this dispute obviously.

Time Action Moderator Notes
21/02/2020 09:31 Post Unapproved Keano **** ****
21/02/2020 09:23 Warning Keano **** ****
21/02/2020 09:23 Warning Keano **** ****
20/02/2020 16:07 Post Edited **** **** ****
20/02/2020 16:07 Post Unapproved **** **** ****
20/02/2020 16:07 Warning **** **** ****
20/02/2020 14:46 Warning **** **** ****
20/02/2020 14:39 Closed Thread Keano **** ****
20/02/2020 13:43 Warning Keano **** ****
19/02/2020 23:17 Infraction Keano User: GreeBo [View Post] Reason: Trolling
19/02/2020 23:02 Warning Keano **** ****
19/02/2020 23:01 Warning Keano User: GreeBo [View Post] Reason: Ignored Mod Instruction
19/02/2020 23:01 Warning Keano **** ****
19/02/2020 21:59 Post Deleted Keano **** ****
18/02/2020 11:24 Ban **** **** ****
18/02/2020 11:23 Unban **** **** ****
18/02/2020 09:47 Ban Keano **** ****
17/02/2020 16:34 Post Unapproved Keano **** ****
17/02/2020 15:19 Post Unapproved Keano **** ****
17/02/2020 15:19 Post Unapproved Keano **** ****
17/02/2020 15:19 Post Unapproved Keano **** ****
17/02/2020 09:38 Post Edited **** **** ****
17/02/2020 09:37 Post Edited **** **** ****
17/02/2020 09:36 Warning **** **** ****
16/02/2020 20:43 Ban Keano **** ****
16/02/2020 20:29 Post Deleted Keano **** ****
16/02/2020 20:28 Post Deleted Keano **** ****
16/02/2020 20:27 Post Deleted Keano **** ****
16/02/2020 20:26 Post Deleted Keano **** ****
14/02/2020 21:30 Post Deleted **** **** ****


Given the above, I am dismissing your claim that you were unfairly singled out.

It was a joke about how serious the Rory McIlroy thread had become, in the supposedly lightly moderated off topic thread.
If I'm being accused of trolling, then why am I judged under a higher standard than everyone else ? (as evidenced by my links above)

I'll need some more time to consider that part of your case.

GreeBo

Steve wrote: »

Cards aren't the only means of moderation.

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Indeed they are not, but cards are what other posters see and also what live on a persons profile record.
The obvious thing to me from your list is that I'm the only one receiving a red card _other than a single banned idiot), whereas others receive at most a yellow for clear and obvious personal attacks. ( typically directed at me)

Steve

GreeBo wrote: »

Indeed they are not, but cards are what other posters see and also what live on a persons profile record.
The obvious thing to me from your list is that I'm the only one receiving a red card _other than a single banned idiot), whereas others receive at most a yellow for clear and obvious personal attacks. ( typically directed at me)

What other posters see as regards moderator actions are none of their business, it has ever been thus. Yes it's unfortunate everyone (in your opinion) can't see bans or deleted posts or polite pms sent to people. This does not mean stuff is not being moderated.

I get that the card stays on your profile, and that can be a source of resentment, nobody other than you and mods+ can see it though. Feck, I have one , I know.

What I am getting at here is a decision on whether you appealed this out of a genuine sense that you were wronged or whether you are doing it vindictively because of the circumstances surrounding your 'retirement' as a golf mod.

GreeBo

Steve wrote: »

What other posters see as regards moderator actions are none of their business, it has ever been thus. Yes it's unfortunate everyone (in your opinion) can't see bans or deleted posts or polite pms sent to people. This does not mean stuff is not being moderated.

I get that the card stays on your profile, and that can be a source of resentment, nobody other than you and mods+ can see it though. Feck, I have one , I know.

What I am getting at here is a decision on whether you appealed this out of a genuine sense that you were wronged or whether you are doing it vindictively because of the circumstances surrounding your 'retirement' as a golf mod.

I'm appealing it on the grounds that out of the 30 moderator actions on thread that you so kindly provided, despite multiple "final warnings" only 1 person got a red card.

Can you explain what circumstances you are referring to here and how they are in an way relevant? Seems like a totally bizarre thing to bring up tbh.

I've yet to get an explanation as to who or how I was trolling, yet two clear examples, linked above, referencing me directly somehow failed to receive a red card.

GreeBo

If anyone should be explaining their actions it should be the moderator in question who sent me the unsolicited pm below.

<snip>

GreeBo

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112637104&postcount=7674

Another yellow to one of the regular trolling crew, long after the final, final, final warnings.

Beasty

I have deleted the PM you quoted as it was not in relation to this appeal. It remains against site rules to publish such PMs without the express permission of the sender

You have repeatedly had a go at the mod in this thread. I did not step in earlier as I wanted to see what was out there to understand why you were criticising the mod

It is quite clear to me based on what I have seen in this thread and in the forum itself since you returned to it. Your behaviour has been way beyond anything you would have accepted when you were a mod, and you seem to have a vendetta against the current mod, possibly as a result of some pain you continue to feel after you ceased to mod the forum

I'm not allowing this thread to go any further. Please stop trying to skirt the forum rules and in particular trying to extract some kind of "revenge" on the mod, despite that mod having done nothing to warrant such behaviour. You know exactly what you have been doing and if it continues you will find posting privileges removed altogether

When I saw claims from you of "bullying" I wanted to understand exactly why you made such claims. It is very clear to me there is no basis for any such claim, and it is simply part of you trying to express your dissatisfaction at the fact you are no longer able to rule the forum in the way you once did

Both cards upheld, and appeal is being marked as resolved