Should the government be offering grants for people finding a job

feelthepower

I see a lot of posters on boards saying they can't get a job as they don't have a car or can't afford the first months rent or deposit which in my opinion is a complete and utter cop out.

The Social welfare would address how much they need for the first month until they are paid.
This payment would then be taken from their salary over the year.
If the job fails 30 euro would be taken from their social welfare until the debt is paid.
Tax free payment for car and insurance and 30 euro taken from their dole every week is paid off.

Seriously though I've heard so many excuses like they don't have a car or can't afford the first months rent and deposit and in my opinion its just a complete and utter cop out and they have no intention of getting work whatseover.

s7ryf3925pivug

Invest in public services and infrastructure. Regulate accommodation and insurance markets. Make it so it's not ludicrously expensive to pay for basic needs like transport and accommodation.

A software architect bailed in his first week in a place I worked because of the state of the housing market and school system here. Lots of people making lots of money here and finding it hard to cover their basic needs.

Capt'n Midnight

What do you call that thing that where employers gave you an advance on you first pay packet ?

s7ryf3925pivug

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

What do you call that thing that where employers gave you an advance on you first pay packet ?

Communism.

Guy:Incognito

Op thats a loan, not a grant.

Airyfairy12

feelthepower wrote: »

I see a lot of posters on boards saying they can't get a job as they don't have a car or can't afford the first months rent or deposit which in my opinion is a complete and utter cop out.

The Social welfare would address how much they need for the first month until they are paid.
This payment would then be taken from their salary over the year.
If the job fails 30 euro would be taken from their social welfare until the debt is paid.
Tax free payment for car and insurance and 30 euro taken from their dole every week is paid off.

Seriously though I've heard so many excuses like they don't have a car or can't afford the first months rent and deposit and in my opinion its just a complete and utter cop out and they have no intention of getting work whatseover.

As someone who spent 3 years as an unemployed graduate, applying to every job opening I could find and got turned down for every one of them. I even did extra courses and got an interview coach to go over my cv, I didnt get so much as an interview in 3 years. The only offer I got was a CE scheme, a charity wanted me to stand on the street for 4 hours a day collecting money for an extra 20 euro on top of my dole and when I refused, due to social anxiety and not having transport to get into town at the times they needed me, they contacted social welfare and my dole was stopped completely for 9 weeks.
One of the biggest blocks in my way of getting a job was not having a car and not living in town. Rent was crazy and still is and the cost of learning how to drive and getting a car is huge, you realise it costs 5,000 at the very least for new drivers to get on the road. No social welfare payment is going to cover that.
The minute I had the opportunity of moving to an area where id have better chance of getting a job, thats what I did but it took me 3 years of saving my dole to do so, those years included up skilling and volunteering to fill gaps on my cv.
Within a month of moving to a different area I got a job. There are still jobs that id love to apply to as the pay is better and they offer more secure employment but one of their conditions is that employees must have a full clean drivers licence - the job doesn't require driving but strangely enough, this is a requirement for lots of different types of jobs. If any employer can explain that one to me id appreciate it because it makes no sense to me.

As far as I know social welfare used to offer funding to people to get driving lessons but this was cut over the recession.

branie2

Sounds like a good idea

Gretas Gonna Get Ya!

Have a job, can't afford a house...

Have a house for life... can't afford a job!

Widdershins

What do you mean tax free payment for car insurance, OP?

BanditLuke

Wow a dole thread. Another first for Boards.ie

feelthepower

Widdershins wrote: »

What do you mean tax free payment for car insurance, OP?

Yea this would not work.

Just the payment to get them on their feet for the first month.

the_pen_turner

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

As someone who spent 3 years as an unemployed graduate, applying to every job opening I could find and got turned down for every one of them. I even did extra courses and got an interview coach to go over my cv, I didnt get so much as an interview in 3 years. The only offer I got was a CE scheme, a charity wanted me to stand on the street for 4 hours a day collecting money for an extra 20 euro on top of my dole and when I refused, due to social anxiety and not having transport to get into town at the times they needed me, they contacted social welfare and my dole was stopped completely for 9 weeks.
One of the biggest blocks in my way of getting a job was not having a car and not living in town. Rent was crazy and still is and the cost of learning how to drive and getting a car is huge, you realise it costs 5,000 at the very least for new drivers to get on the road. No social welfare payment is going to cover that.
The minute I had the opportunity of moving to an area where id have better chance of getting a job, thats what I did but it took me 3 years of saving my dole to do so, those years included up skilling and volunteering to fill gaps on my cv.
Within a month of moving to a different area I got a job. There are still jobs that id love to apply to as the pay is better and they offer more secure employment but one of their conditions is that employees must have a full clean drivers licence - the job doesn't require driving but strangely enough, this is a requirement for lots of different types of jobs. If any employer can explain that one to me id appreciate it because it makes no sense to me.

As far as I know social welfare used to offer funding to people to get driving lessons but this was cut over the recession.

thats nonscence . there courses out there where you are given lessons and a test along with some training for jobs. thee is one in thurles to be a delivery driver. im sure they would be all ove the country.

all you have there is a cop out and excuse.

pgj2015

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

As someone who spent 3 years as an unemployed graduate, applying to every job opening I could find and got turned down for every one of them. I even did extra courses and got an interview coach to go over my cv, I didnt get so much as an interview in 3 years. The only offer I got was a CE scheme, a charity wanted me to stand on the street for 4 hours a day collecting money for an extra 20 euro on top of my dole and when I refused, due to social anxiety and not having transport to get into town at the times they needed me, they contacted social welfare and my dole was stopped completely for 9 weeks.
One of the biggest blocks in my way of getting a job was not having a car and not living in town. Rent was crazy and still is and the cost of learning how to drive and getting a car is huge, you realise it costs 5,000 at the very least for new drivers to get on the road. No social welfare payment is going to cover that.
The minute I had the opportunity of moving to an area where id have better chance of getting a job, thats what I did but it took me 3 years of saving my dole to do so, those years included up skilling and volunteering to fill gaps on my cv.
Within a month of moving to a different area I got a job. There are still jobs that id love to apply to as the pay is better and they offer more secure employment but one of their conditions is that employees must have a full clean drivers licence - the job doesn't require driving but strangely enough, this is a requirement for lots of different types of jobs. If any employer can explain that one to me id appreciate it because it makes no sense to me.

As far as I know social welfare used to offer funding to people to get driving lessons but this was cut over the recession.

That would have been great for you when you think about it, getting out there talking to strangers in the street. its the kind of thing that would stand to you in your future working life.

feelthepower

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

As someone who spent 3 years as an unemployed graduate, applying to every job opening I could find and got turned down for every one of them. I even did extra courses and got an interview coach to go over my cv, I didnt get so much as an interview in 3 years. The only offer I got was a CE scheme, a charity wanted me to stand on the street for 4 hours a day collecting money for an extra 20 euro on top of my dole and when I refused, due to social anxiety and not having transport to get into town at the times they needed me, they contacted social welfare and my dole was stopped completely for 9 weeks.
One of the biggest blocks in my way of getting a job was not having a car and not living in town. Rent was crazy and still is and the cost of learning how to drive and getting a car is huge, you realise it costs 5,000 at the very least for new drivers to get on the road. No social welfare payment is going to cover that.
The minute I had the opportunity of moving to an area where id have better chance of getting a job, thats what I did but it took me 3 years of saving my dole to do so, those years included up skilling and volunteering to fill gaps on my cv.
Within a month of moving to a different area I got a job. There are still jobs that id love to apply to as the pay is better and they offer more secure employment but one of their conditions is that employees must have a full clean drivers licence - the job doesn't require driving but strangely enough, this is a requirement for lots of different types of jobs. If any employer can explain that one to me id appreciate it because it makes no sense to me.

As far as I know social welfare used to offer funding to people to get driving lessons but this was cut over the recession.

Yea a credit union will entertain that if you explain the situation. Did you even try? Setup the loan for 5K and pay off 30 euro a week for the 5 Grand over 4 years. Then when you get the job you increase the payments. Explain that you will increase the payments when you land a job.

Seriously like some people my mind is boggled how they want everything handed to them.

You could even stay in a hostel for a week in different towns around Ireland looking for work. Then save up for a room and a deposit and get a loan for a car then.

Seriously like not everything is handed to you on a plate.

Airyfairy12

the_pen_turner wrote: »

thats nonscence . there courses out there where you are given lessons and a test along with some training for jobs. thee is one in thurles to be a delivery driver. im sure they would be all ove the country.

all you have there is a cop out and excuse.

I dont live in Thurles so no use to me.
I wasnt offered any courses to learn and had asked about them in the intreo office after someone mentioned it to me, thats when I learned they wearnt offering them anymore since the recession.

Anyway its all moot now, im working in a job I enjoy and paying for my own driving lessons.

Regardless, it is difficult for allot people to get work, whether you believe it or not, it doesn't change that fact. Judging people and telling them theyre wrong wont change it either.

Airyfairy12

pgj2015 wrote: »

That would have been great for you when you think about it, getting out there talking to strangers in the street. its the kind of thing that would stand to you in your future working life.

My situation of living isolated and unable to get a job effected my mental health so much that I was depressed, anxious and taking panic attacks daily. I needed counselling, not to be forced to stand on the street all day.

Im in a much better place now and much more confident, I still wouldnt like to stand on the street collecting money.

Just to add, I have years of volunteer work, I am currently a volunteer and have been for over 10 years in various organisations. Not one time did any of my volunteering help me get a job. When I graduated college I had completed over 300 hours of unpaid work experience, I was told by a few employers that they didnt see that as 'real' experience. Most employers will only consider paid work as genuine work experience worth anything.

Thats the unfortunate reality that most graduates are faced with.

jaxxx

the_pen_turner wrote: »

thats nonscence . there courses out there where you are given lessons and a test along with some training for jobs. thee is one in thurles to be a delivery driver. im sure they would be all ove the country.

all you have there is a cop out and excuse.

What a load of bull, another dole bashing rant at its finest. Give actual examples of these courses that offer lessons for free?


Btw there's no 'c' in nonsense.

pgj2015

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

My situation of living isolated and unable to get a job effected my mental health so much that I was depressed, anxious and taking panic attacks daily. I needed counselling, not to be forced to stand on the street all day.

Im in a much better place now and much more confident, I still wouldnt like to stand on the street collecting money.

Just to add, I have years of volunteer work, I am currently a volunteer and have been for over 10 years in various organisations. Not one time did any of my volunteering help me get a job. When I graduated college I had completed over 300 hours of unpaid work experience, I was told by a few employers that they didnt see that as 'real' experience. Most employers will only consider paid work as genuine work experience worth anything.

Thats the unfortunate reality that most graduates are faced with.

I meant being out on the street talking to strangers would have been good for making it easier for you to deal with people, not for getting a job. if an employer told me unpaid work experience meant nothing, i would point out to them why it does.

LollipopJimmy

feelthepower wrote: »

I see a lot of posters on boards saying they can't get a job as they don't have a car or can't afford the first months rent or deposit which in my opinion is a complete and utter cop out.

The Social welfare would address how much they need for the first month until they are paid.
This payment would then be taken from their salary over the year.
If the job fails 30 euro would be taken from their social welfare until the debt is paid.
Tax free payment for car and insurance and 30 euro taken from their dole every week is paid off.

Seriously though I've heard so many excuses like they don't have a car or can't afford the first months rent and deposit and in my opinion its just a complete and utter cop out and they have no intention of getting work whatseover.

Its bollox, theres always an excuse for some people. A company I recruited for offered assistance to new employees around this and then some just found another excuse. Some people just dont want to work or want to make as little effort as possible to find work.

Others will stop at nothing to work, regularly have deliveroo riders using the services of our soup run now. Society is ****ed

Airyfairy12

feelthepower wrote: »

Yea a credit union will entertain that if you explain the situation. Did you even try? Setup the loan for 5K and pay off 30 euro a week for the 5 Grand over 4 years. Then when you get the job you increase the payments. Explain that you will increase the payments when you land a job.

Seriously like some people my mind is boggled how they want everything handed to them.

You could even stay in a hostel for a week in different towns around Ireland looking for work. Then save up for a room and a deposit and get a loan for a car then.

Seriously like not everything is handed to you on a plate.

To be quite honest, I was already scraping by, through paying for taxis when I did need to go anywhere, paying rent to my parents, buying food, I was left with very little at the end of the week, I wouldnt have been in a position to pay back a loan. With the stress I was feeling a loan hanging over me would have pushed me further into an anxious state. In highnsight im glad I didnt take out a loan, with the added interest id probably be still paying it back.

Travel Ireland, living in hostels week to week with what money? Do you even have any idea how much a week in a hostel would cost?
Also, You realise you can apply to jobs anywhere in the country online? Theres no need to actually travel the other side of the country just to apply for a job.

Always Tired

I see a lot of homeless people and when I ask them why they don't have a house they say they dont have the money to buy one. What a cop out.

I'm unemployed and am in the exact situation you describe OP. I think you have come up with a great idea. I'll do you one better actually.

Give me a year's dole up front. I'll leave this joke of a place and never come back, it will save ye money long term.

People who think like the OP have, in my experience, had plenty of help when they needed to get a car going, get relocated into a place for work, etc. They don't know it's like to be really stuck in a rut with no family to turn to for the dig out. Naw, we're just copping out, we actually have plenty of money left over after paying all rent and bills out of 200 a week but we usually would rather spend it on fags and booze and big flat screen tellys and playstation 5 games, right? I mean I know that's what you think.

the_pen_turner

jaxxx wrote: »

What a load of bull, another dole bashing rant at its finest. Give actual examples of these courses that offer lessons for free?


Btw there's no 'c' in nonsense.

its no bull. there are loads of courses out there.
http://tipperary.etb.ie/further-education/courses/?sfcw-courseId=285948
here is one. not the one the person i know did


as for my spelling. have you nothing better to do than insult me.

Airyfairy12

pgj2015 wrote: »

I meant being out on the street talking to strangers would have been good for making it easier for you to deal with people, not for getting a job. if an employer told me unpaid work experience meant nothing, i would point out to them why it does.

Would you? and tell me, how would that would go for you?

It wouldnt have, there was a point when I couldnt speak to family without stuttering and shaking. I went to my old work experience placement to get a reference, my legs nearly buckled and I couldnt get my words out.
It took a good amount of counselling to get me to a place where I could interact normally.
It wasnt so much the people I was scared of, it was my self esteem was so low. I felt like a waster, felt everyone was looking down on me, no one believed that I was trying and because I didnt have a job, I was treated like I was a drug addict or something, yet no one tried to help at all which only effected my self esteem further.
Felt like id worked so hard to get my qualifications in the hope id get work and it was all for nothing. Felt like my youth was being wasted away in an isolated house, felt like I had no life and no future. I felt like an absolute piece of sh!t.
No amount of interacting with strangers would have fixed that. I needed to get a job, earn my own money and have some normal independence that adults should have. No employer was willing to give me a job. It was the most desperate situation ive ever been in.

Sephiroth_dude

Mod

Closing this as it just another dole bashing thread.