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Intersection between astronomy and Earth sciences

  • 15-02-2020 2:34pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭


    The intersection is, of course, the daily and orbital motions of the Earth in terms of cause and effect.

    In revisiting Wikipedia for the leap day correction, I understand how things are modified today without attribution but while not entirely acceptable, it does present a problem when accurately reflecting the original modification so the less competent who shout loudest are inclined to be less careful and physical considerate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Plate_tectonics&diff=27382703&oldid=27378333

    That plate tectonic article within the Earth science of geology was devoid of any reference to the Earth's rotation 15 years ago while I was demonstrating the use of a familiar astronomical principle of differential rotation across latitudes in rotating viscous celestial objects as a means to connect the 26 mile spherical deviation between Equatorial and Polar diameters with crustal evolution/motion (plate tectonics).

    Within a year they were throwing the kitchen sink at rotation but because there was no discipline nor technical linkage between astronomy and Earth sciences, such things as making planetary comparisons in terms of geology between the Earth and our sister planet Venus remain ignored or worse.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics


    Wikipedia is an evolving project when it comes to different topics, however, the danger is always that less considerate people modify topics for the sake of priority or some other type of grandstanding. In short, what should be a creative and productive area falls victim to contrived or pseudo-intellectual agendas.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭ps200306




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭oriel36


    The more considerate should understand by now that experimental theorists don't do cause and effect or are only capable of arranging things to suit experimentation when no such point of departure is possible in a number of topics like plate tectonics. Paying closer attention to the rotational and orbital motions of the Earth and their effects on surface Earth sciences pays so many satisfying dividends so what appears new is really something that began 500 years ago.

    Differential rotation across latitudes with the fluid in contact with the evolving crust is arranged around the Earth's daily rotational geometry thereby leaves many signatures on the fractured crust notwithstanding the ability to make planetary comparisons with our sister planet Venus.

    https://www.the-science-site.com/images/oc3-mid-atlantic-ridge.jpg

    The Mid Atlantic Ridge, its elegant 'S' shape and symmetrical generation of crust either side of the Ridge is perhaps the most visible clue to the rotational dynamic of the fluid interior. As all rotating celestial objects display differential rotation across latitudes, including the Sun's plasma, there is no reason to exempt the Earth's molten liquid from the same principle, after all, it shows its viscosity in volcanic eruptions and at crustal boundaries -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWVmI6EzVWE&t=425s


    There is no comparable experimental condition for planetary differential rotation whether in the atmosphere or beneath the fractured crust so obviously it will hold no interest to academics even though it is there -

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zonal_and_meridional_flow

    The internal dynamics meshes neatly with the 26 mile spherical deviation of the Earth from a perfect sphere with special attention given to comparisons with Venus and its surface traits as a means to introduce differential rotation across latitudes as the main driver of our active surface in making life on Earth possible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭Popoutman


    <headdesk>

    No, no, just no.

    Oriel36, Please, stop. For your own sake.

    This flavour of ****e that you're peddling is wonderful whackery, but it really has no place in this forum. There's not even a decent kernel of a scientific truth to begin a sane conversation about.

    You're just plainly wrong, completely and absolutely wrong in your (apparent?) assertion in this thread.

    I'd suggest to the normal responders to this person, to leave this particular thread alone and not perpetuate Oriel36's dilution of the signal to noise ratio that this forum usually enjoys.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭oriel36


    Astronomers are supposed to know about differential rotation across latitudes where a viscous material is present in all rotating celestial objects -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUk2otvVoVA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFIWWM0Iv-U

    The zonal bands in the rotating fluid beneath the fractured crust leaves clues on the evolving oceanic crust as a lag/advance mechanism where crust is generated either side of the Mid Atlantic Ridge as the faster flow in one zone creates crust Eastwards while a slower moving zonal flow creates crust in the opposite Westward direction with this mechanism operating continuously across latitudes depending on how many zonal bands are present -

    https://www.scirp.org/html/2-2800611/8a33c1d9-ae6b-4dbb-80c6-6dd139724c1a.jpg

    It is a neater fit between plate tectonics and the 26 mile spherical deviation of the planet using a proven astronomical principle of differential rotation across latitudes, at least known to those who consider themselves to be astronomers.

    The links between the motions of the planet (astronomy) and Earth sciences doesn't invite desperate pleas from attention seekers - it does invite participation from those who are being introduced to wider perspectives.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭Popoutman


    Oriel36 wrote:
    This message is hidden because oriel36 is on your ignore list.

    I am so glad this feature exists.

    Maybe some users should have their posts set to be ignored by default by the rest of us..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭oriel36


    There are many points to consider when making comparisons with our sister planet Venus which is roughly the same size -

    https://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/venus_earth_comparison.png

    With only residual rotation, no plate tectonics and basically a perfect sphere, Venus has the most dynamic volcanic activity in the solar system.

    This contrasts with the Earth which rotates at a rapid clip (1037.5 mph at the Equator) , has a dynamic surface crust with volcanic activity mostly occurring at the crustal boundaries apart from Hawaii and a sizable spherical deviation between equatorial and polar diameters.


    https://www.gohawaii.com/experiences/sightseeing/Volcanoes


    These things were considered for the last 15 years and long before rotation surfaced as a mechanism within the Wikipedia article yet even then, whoever created that sub-section simply dumped voodoo at the mechanism instead of the careful correlations between dynamics and geological clues on the surface and the shape of the Earth.

    Describing the Earth as a 'rocky planet' is like describing the human body as a 'bag of bones' but then again people are so unaccustomed to considering the links between astronomy and Earth sciences, such descriptions were inevitable. As I see it, because a stationary Earth notion like 'convection cells' is only recognised by experimentalists while differential rotation across latitudes has no comparable experimental equivalent, few can handle the material like adults or genuine researchers.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 1,426 Mod ✭✭✭✭slade_x


    Is there supposed to be a discussion here that I am missing or is this a blog?

    oriel36 wrote: »


    For future reference when citing a piece of material or snippets from an article / published work under a creative commons license here I suggest citing the article as the publisher/ author requires


    Seismic and Tectonic Correspondence of Major Earthquake Regions in Southern Ghana with Mid-Atlantic Transform-Fracture Zones*


    Copyright © 2013 Jacob M. Kutu. This is an open access article distributed under the Creative Commons Attribution License, which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited. In accordance of the Creative Commons Attribution License all Copyrights © 2013 are reserved for SCIRP and the owner of the intellectual property Jacob M. Kutu. All Copyright © 2013 are guarded by law and by SCIRP as a guardian.

    Received September 14, 2013; revised October 15, 2013; accepted November 12, 2013


    How to Cite this Article

    J. Kutu, "Seismic and Tectonic Correspondence of Major Earthquake Regions in Southern Ghana with Mid-Atlantic Transform-Fracture Zones," International Journal of Geosciences, Vol. 4 No. 10, 2013, pp. 1326-1332. doi: 10.4236/ijg.2013.410128.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭oriel36


    Yuk !.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 1,426 Mod ✭✭✭✭slade_x


    oriel36 wrote: »
    Yuk !.

    What is this kind of a response in reference to? copyrighted material or your blog style of discussion?


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