Safety inspection

dohc turbo2

300 were to start last Monday , anyone get a call

thefareast

Had one last year, he randomly rocked up on a Sunday. Wasn't too bad, first checked the safety statement which fortunately was up to date as it had its annual opening for the bord bia inspection the week before, checked the fuse board for the farm that the breakers were working, checked for sprays and looked to make sure everything had a PTO guard. My poor old tractor is a sorry looking ford 4000, he started getting upset about it missing doors and a couple of windows, I tried to argue around it but I think I was agitating him a bit so I gave up because he could have found more wrong with it if he looked hard enough. He gave me a month or something to fix it, I probably shouldn't admit it but all I did was borrow what was missing from someone with the same tractor for a day, took a picture and sent it off to the hsa lad which he was happy enough with. TBH if there was something very dangerous I would have fixed it but the only thing the windows and doors were protecting was from me getting a wet arse.


He did say they were trying to visit as many farms as possible just to check the basics and then in the future they would become a bit more stringent, so we have that to look forward to.

Iodine1

I think he is out of order on the tractor. Ford 4000 and suchlike of that era were only required to have a safety frame, to prevent the driver being killed in a roll over. Bodywork was tin and canvas and was a luxury. Ford cabs were basically the safety frame with a bit of glass hung on it.

blue5000

thefareast wrote: »

Had one last year, he randomly rocked up on a Sunday. Wasn't too bad, first checked the safety statement which fortunately was up to date as it had its annual opening for the bord bia inspection the week before, checked the fuse board for the farm that the breakers were working, checked for sprays and looked to make sure everything had a PTO guard. My poor old tractor is a sorry looking ford 4000, he started getting upset about it missing doors and a couple of windows, I tried to argue around it but I think I was agitating him a bit so I gave up because he could have found more wrong with it if he looked hard enough. He gave me a month or something to fix it, I probably shouldn't admit it but all I did was borrow what was missing from someone with the same tractor for a day, took a picture and sent it off to the hsa lad which he was happy enough with. TBH if there was something very dangerous I would have fixed it but the only thing the windows and doors were protecting was from me getting a wet arse.


He did say they were trying to visit as many farms as possible just to check the basics and then in the future they would become a bit more stringent, so we have that to look forward to.

Anything on cattle? There's been a lot of close shaves/deaths with bulls or calved cows in the last 3 months.

dohc turbo2

blue5000 wrote: »

Anything on cattle? There's been a lot of close shaves/deaths with bulls or calved cows in the last 3 months.

From what I read there checking the crush’s and he calving pens .

Lime Tree Farm

They would be doing us all a great favour if they checked underneath the slats as well. When they were installed, when they were inspected last.

thefareast

blue5000 wrote: »

Anything on cattle? There's been a lot of close shaves/deaths with bulls or calved cows in the last 3 months.

Now that I think of it he did look at the calving crush, we have decent handling facilities so he only really glanced at it.

I think he is out of order on the tractor. Ford 4000 and suchlike of that era were only required to have a safety frame, to prevent the driver being killed in a roll over. Bodywork was tin and canvas and was a luxury. Ford cabs were basically the safety frame with a bit of glass hung on it.

Bit harsh alright I thought too, it's the only tractor we have so he might have ignored it more if there was something newer to look at...maybe.

Annoying to hear he picked on the tractor so much. We have a good modern tractor but also an old Ferguson that is used for light work during the summer. It runs perfect but missing doors, floor, no lights, wipers, never had a U guard, hadn’t seen tax or insurance for many many years either as it never goes on the road. Wouldn’t be economic to fix it were it requested but no way would we get rid of it either been in the family for decades. We would just hide it if an inspection was announced.

whelan2

I had an inspection about this time last year..The u guard on the PTO guard of our case tractor was off at the time. That was a major flaw. No mirrors in digger. Other minor things

Panjandrums

thefareast wrote: »

TBH if there was something very dangerous I would have fixed it but the only thing the windows and doors were protecting was from me getting a wet arse.

We all have blinkers on when it comes to H&S. It's good to see the HSA trying to make farms safer. At the end of the day, we're only fooling ourselves if we take shortcuts.

Dakota Dan

thefareast wrote: »

Had one last year, he randomly rocked up on a Sunday. Wasn't too bad, first checked the safety statement which fortunately was up to date as it had its annual opening for the bord bia inspection the week before, checked the fuse board for the farm that the breakers were working, checked for sprays and looked to make sure everything had a PTO guard. My poor old tractor is a sorry looking ford 4000, he started getting upset about it missing doors and a couple of windows, I tried to argue around it but I think I was agitating him a bit so I gave up because he could have found more wrong with it if he looked hard enough. He gave me a month or something to fix it, I probably shouldn't admit it but all I did was borrow what was missing from someone with the same tractor for a day, took a picture and sent it off to the hsa lad which he was happy enough with. TBH if there was something very dangerous I would have fixed it but the only thing the windows and doors were protecting was from me getting a wet arse.


He did say they were trying to visit as many farms as possible just to check the basics and then in the future they would become a bit more stringent, so we have that to look forward to.

On a Sunday? I'd be kicking his arse out the gate.

dohc turbo2

Panjandrums wrote: »

We all have blinkers on when it comes to H&S. It's good to see the HSA trying to make farms safer. At the end of the day, we're only fooling ourselves if we take shortcuts.

Doing the green cert the lad over it said lads don’t be hiding from them , in fact open the gate and invite them in . Always stuck with me him saying that

Sacrolyte

Dakota Dan wrote: »

On a Sunday? I'd be kicking his arse out the gate.

Business hours. Mon-fri. 8-5

Buford T. Justice XIX

dohc turbo2 wrote: »

Doing the green cert the lad over it said lads don’t be hiding from them , in fact open the gate and invite them in . Always stuck with me him saying that

+1

I had a guy call in years ago and asked if he could check around the yard, no penalties. I said yes, work away. Like that, some of the stuff he suggested was obvious once he said it, like pointing the prongs of a loader down and letting the loader on the ground when not in use. Ladders stored flat instead of standing. Handbrake working, mirrors, lights, stuff we all know but ignore sometimes.

And PTO covers, never use a PTO shaft without a cover on it.

dohc turbo2

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

+1

I had a guy call in years ago and asked if he could check around the yard, no penalties. I said yes, work away. Like that, some of the stuff he suggested was obvious once he said it, like pointing the prongs of a loader down and letting the loader on the ground when not in use. Ladders stored flat instead of standing. Handbrake working, mirrors, lights, stuff we all know but ignore sometimes.

And PTO covers, never use a PTO shaft without a cover on it.

Yes, and look and the past farm scheme 2014 improving safety , grants for weighing scales etc , nothin on pto covers , in fairness they are very expensive if they were cheap , lads would replace , there is a lot of uncovered shafts around , u would even see adds on dd with covers missing

hopeso

What are the penalties for failing an inspection? Is it a cash fine, or is it part of the cross compliance too?

hopeso

dohc turbo2 wrote: »

Yes, and look and the past farm scheme 2014 improving safety , grants for weighing scales , nothin on pto covers , in fairness they are very expensive if they were cheap , lads would replace , there is a lot of uncovered shafts around , u would even see adds on dd with covers missing

It's crazy the amount of gear listed on done deal with no covers on shafts, as well as other safety defects, such as mowers with no skirts. It shows how ignorant/complacent that some people are regarding safety, and the regulations governing it, when they publicly post photos of their gear in that state. Sure all the HSA has to do is browse done deal, and phone up the seller claiming to be interested in buying. Get directions to his place to view the gear for sale, and take it from there.....

hopeso

hopeso wrote: »

It's crazy the amount of gear listed on done deal with no covers on shafts, as well as other safety defects, such as mowers with no skirts. It shows how ignorant/complacent that some people are regarding safety, and the regulations governing it, when they publicly post photos of their gear in that state. Sure all the HSA has to do is browse done deal, and phone up the seller claiming to be interested in buying. Get directions to his place to view the gear for sale, and take it from there.....

Easy to claim you are in the process of putting it back together etc. A pto shaft on a mower parked up for the winter or a skirt missing is not a safety issue. We would take bits off some machines when parked up, I’d argue what’s the safety issue on a machine not in use.

hopeso

Jayden Uptight Starch wrote: »

Easy to claim you are in the process of putting it back together etc. A pto shaft on a mower parked up for the winter or a skirt missing is not a safety issue. We would take bits off some machines when parked up, I’d argue what’s the safety issue on a machine not in use.

Perhaps, but if the machine listed in the ad is typical of their other machinery, a HSE inspector is the last thing they’d want showing up. All I’m saying is why post public pictures of what you have if it’s below standard, or downright dangerous...

dohc turbo2

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/24102650
Just one example ,

cjpm

There is usually a few drum mowers on DoneDeal not just missing the skirt, the entire cover would be gone too!!

whelan2

hopeso wrote: »

What are the penalties for failing an inspection? Is it a cash fine, or is it part of the cross compliance too?

These inspections are not to fine you they are to make you aware of potential hazards on your farm

blue5000

Bord bia lads looking for pto covers and checking electrics now too. I bought a bareco pto cover for the topper a few yrs back, it didn't last 6 months, the yellow ends fell off it. Very disappointed considering it cost almost €100 just for a cover. Anyone got other recommendations for pto covers?

dohc turbo2

blue5000 wrote: »

Bord bia lads looking for pto covers and checking electrics now too. I bought a bareco pto cover for the topper a few yrs back, it didn't last 6 months, the yellow ends fell off it. Very disappointed considering it cost almost €100 just for a cover. Anyone got other recommendations for pto covers?

Did u look at the ones homeland have , there all black not sure of the make , but u would nearly buy a full shaft for the price of the cover , they should be handing them out like they do with the hiviz jackets , not screwing u for them

blackbox

dohc turbo2 wrote: »

Did u look at the ones homeland have , there all black not sure of the make , but u would nearly buy a full shaft for the price of the cover , they should be handing them out like they do with the hiviz jackets , not screwing u for them

If the the NCT says the brakes are worn out on my car should the government buy me new ones?

Who suffers if you scrimp on safety?

dohc turbo2

blackbox wrote: »

If the the NCT says the brakes are worn out on my car should the government buy me new ones?

Who suffers if you scrimp on safety?

No u miss the point , what’s a weighing scales got to do with safety , when no guard on the grant , wouldn’t a lad be more inclined to change of they were cheap , not expensive like they are ,

Waffletraktor

blue5000 wrote: »

Bord bia lads looking for pto covers and checking electrics now too. I bought a bareco pto cover for the topper a few yrs back, it didn't last 6 months, the yellow ends fell off it. Very disappointed considering it cost almost €100 just for a cover. Anyone got other recommendations for pto covers?

I'd be more inclined to ask your local friendly ag engineer who knows their shyte about putting a nipple on the outside cap on one of the knuckles so a small hole is all that'd be needed in the cover and no finger gymnasticss in hope the end is on. Those bareco's go through the the white nylon collars aswell otherwise you'd chew out the holding ridges on the cover and write that off.
Kramp is good if you have a dealer as they dont like selling to peasants with their one time only orders.

blackbox

blackbox wrote: »

If the the NCT says the brakes are worn out on my car should the government buy me new ones?

Who suffers if you scrimp on safety?

There is safety and there is actual safety though. Not having indicators or lights on a tractor that never goes on a public road is not a safety issue though you can be sure it would be flagged as one. Similar for the op with no doors, many of these tractors never had doors originally so not a safety issue in reality.

No brakes, missing pto guards (on machines in use), dangerous tyres etc are really safety issues on the other hand.

emaherx

Jayden Uptight Starch wrote: »

There is safety and there is actual safety though. Not having indicators or lights on a tractor that never goes on a public road is not a safety issue though you can be sure it would be flagged as one. Similar for the op with no doors, many of these tractors never had doors originally so not a safety issue in reality.

No brakes, missing pto guards (on machines in use), dangerous tyres etc are really safety issues on the other hand.

Not having indicators or road lights on a yard tractor is neither a safety issue nor have I heard of safety inspector calling it out as such. Inadequate lighting in yard or work lighting on a tractor however is a safety issue.