PCP ending. Skoda Octavia 1.6 diesel versus 1.0 TSI 115bhp petrol

Tom Mann Centuria

Bit of of advice if people wouldn't mind.

My PCP agreement is ending next month on my 1.6 Diesel Octavia. Now if I wanted the same spec (Ambition) and continue with diesel, I'd need too find 2 grand (give or take a few quid), but I was wondering if the 1.0 TSI 115bhp petrol, being around 2 and a half grand cheaper might be a decent option to keep me in an Octavia Ambition. I know little to nothing about cars, but 1.0 seems a bit small for a car like an Octavia, but all reviews have been relatively positive (never going to set the pulse racing, but my current diesel doesn't either).

My commute is 30km to work, so not huge, tax is virtually the same and fuel economy doesn't seem to be too bad either. I know in three years I'll probably have them same issue where I'd be needing to find a bit extra to keep a similar spec. but this seems like a decent idea? Happy to be shot down in flames if there's glaring problems in my plan.

Cheers.

bazz26

I'd say petrol would suit you fine.

BTW do you know there is a new model Octavia being launched this year?

Tom Mann Centuria

bazz26 wrote: »

Do you know there is a new model Octavia being launched this year?

I didn't know, but i really need to make a decision before end of next month, I'm happy enough with what the current model looks like, and I don't think it's going to be feasible to wait. This model will be new to me anyway! because I have the last shape before this current one


Thanks. Appreciate the reply

bazz26

Well if that doesn't bother you then work away. They have a run out edition called the Soleil which has a few extra toys thrown in so might be worth looking at that over the Ambition.

That 1.0 litre petrol engine has been around a few years now and there hasn't been any major issues reported with it. It's turbo charged so size isn't as important as it was years ago.

Tom Mann Centuria

bazz26 wrote: »

Well if that doesn't bother you then work away. That petrol engine has been around a few years now and there hasn't been any major issues reported with it.

Cheers, I'm not up to speed with modern engines etc, just knew my Fiat Uno in the the early 90s only had a 1.0 and was a bit bemused that a 1.0 can power much bigger cars these days!

Proves the point how little I know about cars!

bazz26

Have a look at the Soleil run out edition:

https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2453701&r=s.php%3Fm%3D80%26o%3D682%26r%3D2020%26g%3D0

Wildly Boaring

It will not be as efficient.
10 to 15% less efficient.
Petrol dearer than diesel.
You'll be spending 15% or so more on juice annually.
Hoe does this weigh against initial purchase price?

But it will not have risk of dpf issues

Not sure how big an issue both are to you.

CoBo55

Had one myself 172 DSG, I got a dud it was very thirsty, I rarely got it out of the thirties mpg. Lights are dreadful, I put osrams into it which made them barely tolerable but not a patch on the 09 car I had previously. They have a particulate filter.

teediddlyeye

Petrol all the way at that milage imo. The newer petrols seem to be very good haven't seen many if any major issues.

The fuel efficiency depends on if your 30km commute consists of motorway or not.

Have you priced the 1.5? Much better engine imo and likely feck all mpg difference and may even be better on a long run.

CoBo55

teediddlyeye wrote: »

Petrol all the way at that milage imo. The newer petrols seem to be very good haven't seen many if any major issues.

The fuel efficiency depends on if your 30km commute consists of motorway or not.

Have you priced the 1.5? Much better engine imo and likely feck all mpg difference and may even be better on a long run.

This. The 1.5 is a beauty, smooth as silk, very similar driving experience as the 1.4 it replaced.

Spook_ie

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

It will not be as efficient.
10 to 15% less efficient.
Petrol dearer than diesel.
You'll be spending 15% or so more on juice annually.
Hoe does this weigh against initial purchase price?

But it will not have risk of dpf issues

Not sure how big an issue both are to you.

15000 Km a year or thereabouts I wouldn't be arsed with a diesel

dotsflan

Having experienced both engines, the 1.0 litre is a fine engine, can be frugal when driven gently.
I switched back to the 1.6 diesel last year, mainly because circumstances changed, I was doing a lot more driving but also because when carrying 3 or more passengers the 1.0 litre really did struggle.
As suggested here, I would definitely aim for the 1.5 if that's within your budget, if I was going for a petrol model again, that's the one I'd be aiming for.

mr_edge_to_you

We're coming to the end of our PCP with the 1.0 TSI. Have to say it's been a joy over the last 3 years. Have driven the 1.6diesel when our own car was in the body shop after a crash and I have to say that the 1.0 litre petrol is so much nicer to drive.

Because we bought the petrol we were able to buy the Style which had all the trimmings and gadgets which we've gotten very accustomed to.

Our fuel consumption averages 44mpg. Most of the driving on this car is 25/30km a day doing school runs, trips to shops in nearby villages etc. We had a diesel prior to this and the DPF had our heart broke. Our mechanic advised that we weren't doing the driving for a diesel - fair comment!

We're a family of 4 and have gone to France twice on the ferry and it was very comfortable on the motorways with a full load.

The car has been a resounding success in our house.

Lantus

Did dealer not just advise on a slightly higher monthly??

I'd say with your monthly mileage petrol would be OK.

What's your fuel spend. Also is this a solei? You should get one as it has more in.

I'm keeping mine, also a 1.6 diesel. No need to change and I can save for the new octavia if I want to go down that route in a year or 2.

ForestFire

Check how soon the new Golf, Leon and Octavia will be available to collect.

When I ordered my Leon 1.5tsi, there was lots of issues around new wplt limits that delayed things.

I pretty sure the sales guy said you can extend pcp by up to 3 months before you need to settle one way or another.

WEZANGO

I have a 1.0 TFSI A3 and it is a delight. It's economy depends on a driver. When I bought the car, previous owner had 5.8l/100km average, but mine is around 8. It's quicker than 1.6 TDI that I had previously and it's not so noisy as diesel. So if you are a calm driver just go for it and if not, you might spend 20% more on fuel.

Tom Mann Centuria

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

It will not be as efficient.
10 to 15% less efficient.
Petrol dearer than diesel.
You'll be spending 15% or so more on juice annually.
Hoe does this weigh against initial purchase price?

But it will not have risk of dpf issues

Not sure how big an issue both are to you.

Yeah, it's a tricky one because I know we'll be spending more on fuel, but there is zero wiggle room with how much money we have, there's no way we can afford a diesel Octavia, the diesel Scala might work, which was our initial plan.

teediddlyeye wrote: »

Petrol all the way at that milage imo. The newer petrols seem to be very good haven't seen many if any major issues.

The fuel efficiency depends on if your 30km commute consists of motorway or not.

Have you priced the 1.5? Much better engine imo and likely feck all mpg difference and may even be better on a long run.

Haven't looked at the 1.5, will give it a look.
Edit: unfortunately that is the more or less same price bracket as the diesel.

Lantus wrote: »

Did dealer not just advise on a slightly higher monthly??

I'd say with your monthly mileage petrol would be OK.

What's your fuel spend. Also is this a solei? You should get one as it has more in.

I'm keeping mine, also a 1.6 diesel. No need to change and I can save for the new octavia if I want to go down that route in a year or 2.

We're pretty restricted with our monthly, so to be fair to the dealer he didn't suggest any great increase in the monthly, because we just can't afford to go any higher.

I think it'll probably end up an Ambition purely on the economics of it.


I also toyed with the idea of the petrol scala. Hmmmm. Anyway appreciate everyone taking the time to answer, thanks, plenty to think on, I'll bend the dealers ear tomorrow!

CoBo55

Is the configuration site still down?

Tom Mann Centuria

CoBo55 wrote: »

Is the configuration site still down?

The main site with pdf pricelist download is still working anyway.

Wildly Boaring

You are better off in the petrol.

Nothing wrong with the 1.0.

I'm just stating that it will be thirstier but the diesel is substantially dearer day 1.

Prob work out the same costs and the petrol is quieter and more responsive. Well to 120kph anyway. Does suffer a bit above that

ForestFire

Can't get into skoda configurator either.

I see Seat have a 2k discount voucher on the Leon (current model) 0% pcp and a service package discount.

Have you looked at the Leon? I biased as I have one (st
version 1.5 tsi) , but had the octavia prior to that (Estate 1.2tsi)

I will say the octavia is bigger and more spacious, but notting wrong with the Leon, it's just the octavia is bigger than everything.

Build quality is a tad better in octavia but not much in it, but I found the price of octavia has gone up a lot since I got it 4 years ago, and for me at least the Leon offered better value.

CoBo55

ForestFire wrote: »

Can't get into skoda configurator either.

I see Seat have a 2k discount voucher on the Leon (current model) 0% pcp and a service package discount.

Have you looked at the Leon? I biased as I have one (st
version 1.5 tsi) , but had the octavia prior to that (Estate 1.2tsi)

I will say the octavia is bigger and more spacious, but notting wrong with the Leon, it's just the octavia is bigger than everything.

Build quality is a tad better in octavia but not much in it, but I found the price of octavia has gone up a lot since I got it 4 years ago, and for me at least the Leon offered better value.

PCP can be tough in the Seat as they lose a lot more than the Octavia, something worth thinking about if you plan changing in 3 years.

ForestFire

CoBo55 wrote: »

PCP can be tough in the Seat as they lose a lot more than the Octavia, something worth thinking about if you plan changing in 3 years.

I have no doubt that is true, my skoda gmfv was 10k but got 5.5k equidity and also 2k off the Leon list price (there was a 4k scrappage deal at the time) so 7.5k total.

Funnily enough the Leon's gmfv is 11.5k, now it is a higher engine spec, plus auto and some extras, but not sure I'll have the same equidity by the end of this one, we will have to see....

Of course another reason to offer a higher gmfv is to lower the monthly payments, make if more attractive, as long as they cover themselves.

CoBo55

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Bit of of advice if people wouldn't mind.

My PCP agreement is ending next month on my 1.6 Diesel Octavia. Now if I wanted the same spec (Ambition) and continue with diesel, I'd need too find 2 grand (give or take a few quid), but I was wondering if the 1.0 TSI 115bhp petrol, being around 2 and a half grand cheaper might be a decent option to keep me in an Octavia Ambition. I know little to nothing about cars, but 1.0 seems a bit small for a car like an Octavia, but all reviews have been relatively positive (never going to set the pulse racing, but my current diesel doesn't either).

My commute is 30km to work, so not huge, tax is virtually the same and fuel economy doesn't seem to be too bad either. I know in three years I'll probably have them same issue where I'd be needing to find a bit extra to keep a similar spec. but this seems like a decent idea? Happy to be shot down in flames if there's glaring problems in my plan.

Cheers.

Would you consider refinancing the balloon payment and keeping the car?

Tom Mann Centuria

CoBo55 wrote: »

Would you consider refinancing the balloon payment and keeping the car?

Yeah, that was certainly what we first thought when we came away from the showroom last week. Vw Bank do decent rates, just under 6%.

It might still be the way we go, we owe just over ten grand.

The lure of a new car is quite high though

DaveyDave

The 1.0 TSI is a grand engine. More than enough power for daily driving and the Octavia isn't a heavy car, it's hardly a Yaris or Polo that struggles to get up to speed on a slip road. I've done 32,000km with that engine in my Golf.

Drove Dublin to Mayo with 2 passengers and heavy suitcases, no issues passing people on the dual carriageway or motorway. Don't have to work hard or rev for the lower which is nice.

It's a bit thirsty, 6.5-6.9L/100km on backroads, dual carriageway and regular trips to the city center.

I'd be looking for the 1.5 if possible, I think both the Golf and Leon had the 1.5 sold for 1.0 prices as they're near the end of that generation. If not try get a nice discount and stuff thrown in, do Skoda do service plans? See if you can get it for free or half price.

Tom Mann Centuria

Apologies to mods, I see the threads been moved to where I should have posted in the first place!

Casati

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Yeah, that was certainly what we first thought when we came away from the showroom last week. Vw Bank do decent rates, just under 6%.

It might still be the way we go, we owe just over ten grand.

The lure of a new car is quite high though

I’m v familiar with the 1.6 Octavia and it’s a super car. If yours is a 2017 with low miles and you owe only 10k on it you really should give strong consideration to keeping it and financing with VW. The depreciation on yours in year 3 and 4 will be about 2000 a year versus at least double that if you buy a new one now

I ended a PCP on a Superb in 2018 and bought another new one - massive mistake on my part as looking back the old car was still perfect and indeed still would be perfect now, while the new one has lost a small fortune in two years

Tom Mann Centuria

Casati wrote: »

I’m v familiar with the 1.6 Octavia and it’s a super car. If yours is a 2017 with low miles and you owe only 10k on it you really should give strong consideration to keeping it and financing with VW. The depreciation on yours in year 3 and 4 will be about 2000 a year versus at least double that if you buy a new one now

I ended a PCP on a Superb in 2018 and bought another new one - massive mistake on my part as looking back the old car was still perfect and indeed still would be perfect now, while the new one has lost a small fortune in two years

It's a good point, and entirely sensible, I suppose I'm in the less than sensible habit of new cars every few years.

Octavia since 2010, which I got with a loan, and trade in, then I've had two on pcp since then. The whole warranty thing is part of it, and reliability, not that I'm expecting my current car to have issues all of a sudden, but we only have the one car, living out in the country, and we'd be paying very similar amounts each month, with no recourse other than our own pocket if it breaks down. I don't doubt this isn't entirely rational by the way.

My other concerns would be the arse could have fallen out of the diesel market in 3 more years, by the time I've paid off the car and make it even more difficult to ever own a new /newish car again, without a significantly bigger loan or monthly repayment than we have now.

It's also clear I'm stuck in a rut with my car choice.

Gael23

Wouldn’t let the thought of Diesel cross my mind at that mileage. If you can afford it get the 1.5TSI but the 1.0 is adequate if you can’t

CoBo55

Had a gawk into a Scala in Aldi last week, they aren't a bad looking car in fairness certainly a massive improvement on the horrible rapid. What are the figures like on one of those?

Tom Mann Centuria

CoBo55 wrote: »

Had a gawk into a Scala in Aldi last week, they aren't a bad looking car in fairness certainly a massive improvement on the horrible rapid. What are the figures like on one of those?

22,725 for 1.0tsi 95bhp, 23,225 for the 115bhp which I was most interested in, cheapest diesel 25,950.

I quite like the look of them, missus isn't so keen. And the bells and whistles on the Scala ambition aren't as good as the Octavia.

Lantus

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

22,725 for 1.0tsi 95bhp, 23,225 for the 115bhp which I was most interested in, cheapest diesel 25,950.

I quite like the look of them, missus isn't so keen. And the bells and whistles on the Scala ambition aren't as good as the Octavia.

I'd agree, octavia is rock solid offering and great value compared to scala with incredible boot. I think it's slightly odd in the range but then so will be new octavia when they are 2 to 3k more expensive...

Rusky rusky

Have a 1.0tsi dsg golf estate for the last 2 years (Bought on the 30.01.18) - average on spiritmonitor is 5.86l/100km over 36k km (brimmed). 50km return drive to work on backroads and mixed driving in city and town. Get 5.3-5.5l/100km in summer. Starting from December had averaged 6-6.5l/100km. The best I ever got was 5.22l/100km over 568km in May. Manual hatchback will get a better economy.

Wildly Boaring

Rusky rusky wrote: »

Have a 1.0tsi dsg golf estate for the last 2 years (Bought on the 30.01.18) - average on spiritmonitor is 5.86l/100km over 36k km (brimmed). 50km return drive to work on backroads and mixed driving in city and town. Get 5.3-5.5l/100km in summer. Starting from December had averaged 6-6.5l/100km. The best I ever got was 5.22l/100km over 568km in May. Manual hatchback will get a better economy.

Wife's ateca about 6.5 to 7.0 litre per 100.
Low 40s mpg.
If I drive it often goes down to 38 mpg or 7.4l/100

Depends a lot on your driving style

Rusky rusky

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

Wife's ateca about 6.5 to 7.0 litre per 100.
Low 40s mpg.
If I drive it often goes down to 38 mpg or 7.4l/100

Depends a lot on your driving style

More the type of driving. If I’ll drive exclusively in start stop traffic I’ll easily get 8l. 3 cylinder also drinks fuel on idling @ 900rpm.