Mazda 3 2014 2.2 diesel, issues

swanie29

Put a question to the group.
As you may know from.other threads I purchased a mazda 3 2014 2.2 diesel and being having nothing but trouble with it.
So before Christmas I get a error about the exhaust pressure so that was changed after Christmas but when they took it it apart they found a lot of carbon in the pipe leading to dpf filter said it was no way they could get it out so 400 euro down new oil and new sensor but car still not regenerate nor carbon gone .

Spoke to mazda they advise to bring in to a mazda dealership and get them to hook up to there system. So off I went to it and what they said the same only the mechanic could not say how long the carbon but best guess was 50000 miles know I only done 8000 miles since buying the car.

I asked at the time if buying the car was the dpf sorted and fine and was told it was fine cause the mileage was high on the car but came with. Good service history and one owner.
So mazda were not sure if the goodwill fro mazda would cover this but it would be at least 250 up and still no chance it fix full problem the car. So I asked for the report.

I sent report the garage and asked what is going to do to help me and basically said nothing car out slide of warranty. I said I asked about sales of good act he claims to protect him as much me.
I told that I only done 8000 miles and he replied telling me its the fuel I use I explained I only use topaz fuel week in week out. He went in the cause the petrol station or its suppliers being involved in fuel stretching i found that a load of bull. I went on to ask has the car been tested before it left his garage and he said yes.

I asked for a copy if this report and he said he not obliged to give it to me under my contact which is a standard contact. So this conversation went on for another full mins to the point where he said being the car down to hom and he give me a trade in for my car I explained I know money to put another car he said he down size the car. Now I spent 9000 on the car and another 1000 on parts and labour in six months on the car.

I asked would he not give me a price over the phone and he said no I need to bring the car down. I explained the car could blown up on the way to the country and he replied sure you could be involved in crash coming down.

What is your guys thoughts

colm_mcm

What sort of setup did you buy from?

swanie29

colm_mcm wrote: »

What sort of setup did you buy from?

Open garage

colm_mcm

Portakabin type ?

swanie29

colm_mcm wrote: »

Portakabin type ?

No geniue garage

colm_mcm

The garage clearly wants nothing to do with it. I can’t see him helping you out and I can see you wasting time/money visiting him.

Without wishing to stating the obvious, those Mazda diesels are a ball of a yoke, you were told that in your original thread before you bought it,
I don’t think sale of goods act will be of any use to you in this case given that DPF has a finite life cycle and is essentially a consumable.

The most logical thing to do here would be fix the car up and stay on top of preventive maintenance, or fix it and sell it off and buy something else.

swanie29

colm_mcm wrote: »

The garage clearly wants nothing to do with it. I can’t see him helping you out and I can see you wasting time/money visiting him.

Without wishing to stating the obvious, those Mazda diesels are a ball of a yoke, you were told that in your original thread before you bought it,
I don’t think sale of goods act will be of any use to you in this case given that DPF has a finite life cycle and is essentially a consumable.

The most logical thing to do here would be fix the car up and stay on top of preventive maintenance, or fix it and sell it off and buy something else.

It's more the fact he told me it had been done and wont give me the report of it. Sure enough I entitled that am I not

colm_mcm

He’s obviously a bit of a cowboy if he’s blaming the fuel straight off.
There’s no report.

swanie29

colm_mcm wrote: »

He’s obviously a bit of a cowboy if he’s blaming the fuel straight off.
There’s no report.

That what I think too

swanie29

So basically what is my way here or do I just have to write it off and name and shame the garage. But sure enough if they said they did it and didn't are they responsible when I have emails to say the car would be thoroughly checked

biko

Changed title from "motoring"

zilog_jones

swanie29 wrote: »

So basically what is my way here or do I just have to write it off and name and shame the garage. But sure enough if they said they did it and didn't are they responsible when I have emails to say the car would be thoroughly checked

If you want your money back, you're probably going to have to get a solicitor and take them to court - but you will need substantial and definitive evidence that the car is not fit for use (engineer's reports, etc.).

So you have to consider the cost/hassle of all that (and potential of losing in court), or the cost of fixing the car and or getting rid of it.

selectamatic

OP I really can't see you getting anywhere with a solicitor regarding the dpf. Especially if the dealership are set on refusing/denying.

As colm said the dpf is surely classed as a wear and tear item and 8000km of unsuitable driving could probably block one (I'm not saying your driving is unsuited to diesel op but they could argue it is and you'd be hard pressed prove it isn't)

2.2 Mazda engines are well known for dpf and oil dilution issues. So if I was you personally I'd get the dpf gutted and get it and the regen process mapped out of the ecu and be done with them. This should resolve the issue quickly and allow you to have an operational car.

Obviously this allows the dealer to "win" but fighting tooth and nail for a "win" of your own will be a long, difficult and time consuming process.

StonedRaider

selectamatic wrote: »

OP I really can't see you getting anywhere with a solicitor regarding the dpf. Especially if the dealership are set on refusing/denying.

As colm said the dpf is surely classed as a wear and tear item and 8000km of unsuitable driving could probably block one (I'm not saying your driving is unsuited to diesel op but they could argue it is and you'd be hard pressed prove it isn't)

2.2 Mazda engines are well known for dpf and oil dilution issues. So if I was you personally I'd get the dpf gutted and get it and the regen process mapped out of the ecu and be done with them. This should resolve the issue quickly and allow you to have an operational car.

Obviously this allows the dealer to "win" but fighting tooth and nail for a "win" of your own will be a long, difficult and time consuming process.

How will removing the DPF affect the NCT further down the line?

selectamatic

StonedRaider wrote: »

How will removing the DPF affect the NCT further down the line?

Gut it and refit.

The smoke test is easy pass and any additional test will only ever be a visual.

Obviously not great from a morality standpoint but if the op is doing proper diesel driving on mostly open country roads the health/environmental impacts will be minimal to non-existent.

swanie29

selectamatic wrote: »

Gut it and refit.

The smoke test is easy pass and any additional test will only ever be a visual.

Obviously not great from a morality standpoint but if the op is doing proper diesel driving on mostly open country roads the health/environmental impacts will be minimal to non-existent.

I already 400 euro on this sensor with labour I think I rather leave it in. Like ya would think that the dealer would of given me the so call report or been honest and say no I dont have one it was not done go get it done and I give it back to you. Oh if only the world was perfect.

swanie29

am i allowed to name and shame the garage

Whocare

swanie29 wrote: »

am i allowed to name and shame the garage

Will you ever take some self-responsibility you bought a Mazda with know dpf problem it all over the internet. You knowing got a 3 months warranty it broke down like 6 months on that your problem that life. Just thank your lucky stars the engine didn't blow up as well and just get dpf removed 200 to 300 euros and move on or get it fixed properly it your car your problem it out of warranty it as simple as that

swanie29

Whocare wrote: »

Will you ever take some self-responsibility you bought a Mazda with know dpf problem it all over the internet. You knowing got a 3 months warranty it broke down like 6 months on that your problem that life. Just thank your lucky stars the engine didn't blow up as well and just get dpf removed 200 to 300 euros and move on or get it fixed properly it your car your problem it out of warranty it as simple as that

I had been told the DPF was looked at and was fine I now problem talking " self responsibiltity" if I had not asked the question.

swanie29

swanie29 wrote: »

I had been told the DPF was looked at and was fine I now problem talking " self responsibiltity" if I had not asked the question.

Also this issuse has been proven to be in the car before I bought it. It didnt just happen in the six months since I bought the car. The DPF in any car can cause trouble just so happened to be this mazda this time.

Whocare

But what options have you from what I see very little
The garage told you to take a jump
It out of warranty
Get a solicitor involved maybe a options

swanie29

Whocare wrote: »

But what options have you from what I see very little
The garage told you to take a jump
It out of warranty
Get a solicitor involved maybe a options

there is other issuse with the car like I spent 1000 so far on a car that meant to be fine well looked after. The car is falling apart its not just the DPF the car itself is not right. I submitted a case with simi

Whocare

swanie29 wrote: »

there is other issuse with the car like I spent 1000 so far on a car that meant to be fine well looked after. The car is falling apart its not just the DPF the car itself is not right. I submitted a case with simi

Simi thinking your wasting your time there from what I hear. .If dpf was removed what problems would you have then
Like is your car off the road for weeks now madness?

swanie29

Whocare wrote: »

Simi thinking your wasting your time there from what I hear. .If dpf was removed what problems would you have then
Like is your car off the road for weeks now madness?

What is wrong with simi

colm_mcm

swanie29 wrote: »

What is wrong with simi

They’re a car dealers club, funded by annual subscriptions from car dealers.
Now they have an arbitration process and all that, but it’s weighted towards their members in my experience.

swanie29

colm_mcm wrote: »

They’re a car dealers club, funded by annual subscriptions from car dealers.
Now they have an arbitration process and all that, but it’s weighted towards their members in my experience.

What happened in your experience

punisher5112

Sell, sell or sell....

Seriously you have a dud get rid before it costs even more.

Get something else like a Toyota.

Move on don't look.back, Mazda diesel are the devil's durt

swanie29

punisher5112 wrote: »

Sell, sell or sell....

Seriously you have a dud get rid before it costs even more.

Get something else like a Toyota.

Move on don't look.back, Mazda diesel are the devil's durt

I use too much money on selling I paid 9 plus the 1000 I put in for repairs and another senor gone on the radar. I really think I should name and shame the garage

Whocare

swanie29 wrote: »

I use too much money on selling I paid 9 plus the 1000 I put in for repairs and another senor gone on the radar. I really think I should name and shame the garage

Name away.

Wildly Boaring

swanie29 wrote: »

I use too much money on selling I paid 9 plus the 1000 I put in for repairs and another senor gone on the radar. I really think I should name and shame the garage

What difference that make here. About 30 people will see it.
Those 30 know full well not to touch a mazda diesel and any that didn't do now.

Not sure what you were expecting him to have done to the dpf anyway.

selectamatic

Car is well out of warranty the dpf is pretty much a consumable part. The dealer or whoever saying it's fine before it has been sold doesn't make any difference imo. Technically it was when they were selling it.

As pointed out above simi will do sweet f#ck all. Court and solicitors will cost you money in the short term. And indeed the long term should you lose.

Getting the DPF gutted and having the ecu mapped to read 0% dpf soot level constantly will sort your problem. No more regens, no more blocked dpf, no more oil dilution problems and no more expenditure on the matter.

GustavoFring

swanie29 wrote: »

I use too much money on selling I paid 9 plus the 1000 I put in for repairs and another senor gone on the radar. I really think I should name and shame the garage

To be fair, and I'm only staying the obvious here, you bought the car (last May according to the original thread) with a 3 month warranty. You agreed to this and the warranty time frame has passed. The garage haven't done anything wrong. Naming them for something that was outside the agreement you had with them is pointless.

The issues were communicated to you originally, the car was at the lower end of the price bracket for one of them and you made the decision to take the risk. Just because it's unfortunately not paid off isn't anyones issue bar yours.

You have choices to make - fix it right, cut out the dpf or move onto something else. 8k miles since last May isn't exactly diesel mileage. M50 can be quite slow moving so I'd say your not finishing regens all the time. Look at a decent petrol or hybrids as it might be more suitable.

The Rape of Lucretia

On the DPF removal, its not for everyone. OP, weighup how many people you are prepared to kill before taking this route. If you prefer not to kill random strangers, then it isnt really an option. If OK with doing so, then estimate how many you would be happy to have die as a result of you action, and make you decision accordingly.

punisher5112

swanie29 wrote: »

I use too much money on selling I paid 9 plus the 1000 I put in for repairs and another senor gone on the radar. I really think I should name and shame the garage

Your going to be putting much more into it.....

Get rid now take the hit.

Mazda diesel are absolutely dirt.
You will be always wondering when will it blow up or another major breakdown etc.

You were advised strongly not to buy.

Whocare

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

On the DPF removal, its not for everyone. OP, weighup how many people you are prepared to kill before taking this route. If you prefer not to kill random strangers, then it isnt really an option. If OK with doing so, then estimate how many you would be happy to have die as a result of you action, and make you decision accordingly.

That just laughable

coolbeans

swanie29 wrote: »

I use too much money on selling I paid 9 plus the 1000 I put in for repairs and another senor gone on the radar. I really think I should name and shame the garage

Your warranty period is up so what's the issue? As a matter of interest why did you buy the Mazda diesel when advised by several not to? Ultimately I can't figure out why you think you're entitled to more from the dealer when you're outside the warranty period. Naming and shaming is a bit silly considering all that. I know you refer to a 'report' but you clearly didn't see it as it doesn't exist. The dealer probably lied to you in that respect but as with most things in life if it's not written in black and white in front of you then it's not worth the paper it's not written on.

The Rape of Lucretia

Whocare wrote: »

That just laughable

It is ? 10,000 people a year in Europe are killed by diesel fumes. Dont see it getting rolling news coverage like the coronavirus though do you. Too hard for some people acknowledge the death they are inflicting on those around them maybe.

Whocare

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

It is ? 10,000 people a year in Europe are killed by diesel fumes. Dont see it getting rolling news coverage like the coronavirus though do you. Too hard for some people acknowledge the death they are inflicting on those around them maybe.

Yeah but you need to realise very few people care . 1500 euros plus for dpf or 200 to 300 to gutted it simple decision for most people

Toyotafanboi

Whocare wrote: »

Name away.

Absolutely do not name the garage!

What have the garage actually done wrong here?

punisher5112

I actually can't understand why anyone would touch a diesel Mazda....

zilog_jones

Whocare wrote: »

Yeah but you need to realise very few people care . 1500 euros plus for dpf or 200 to 300 to gutted it simple decision for most people

How about making the responsible choice rather than taking the cheap scumbag way out? The air quality in urban areas of Ireland is deplorable on certain days because of attitudes like this.

If you can't afford to keep the emissions controls functioning in your car then maybe you shouldn't have bought it in the first place. Obviously, buying a Mazda diesel was a mistake...

Also: Do these "people" declare such modifications to their insurers? Because they love to find reasons to not pay out.

I can't wait for the NCT to test for DPF removal more thoroughly.

FixitFelix

zilog_jones wrote: »

How about making the responsible choice rather than taking the cheap scumbag way out? The air quality in urban areas of Ireland is deplorable on certain days because of attitudes like this.

If you can't afford to keep the emissions controls functioning in your car then maybe you shouldn't have bought it in the first place. Obviously, buying a Mazda diesel was a mistake...

Also: Do these "people" declare such modifications to their insurers? Because they love to find reasons to not pay out.

I can't wait for the NCT to test for DPF removal more thoroughly.

Greta is that you?

beauf

zilog_jones wrote: »

How about making the responsible choice rather than taking the cheap scumbag way out? The air quality in urban areas of Ireland is deplorable on certain days because of attitudes like this.

If you can't afford to keep the emissions controls functioning in your car then maybe you shouldn't have bought it in the first place. Obviously, buying a Mazda diesel was a mistake...

Also: Do these "people" declare such modifications to their insurers? Because they love to find reasons to not pay out.

I can't wait for the NCT to test for DPF removal more thoroughly.

We have created a price regime that eco friendliest motoring is the most expensive and the cheapest motoring are the most expensive. Old cars and usually diesel.

Whocare

Op any update on this

swanie29

Mazda in finglas sorted this out for me highly recommended them. The case is gone to Simi tribunal the dealer never bother coming back to simi which I believe is a no no

ba_barabus

swanie29 wrote: »

Mazda in finglas sorted this out for me highly recommended them.

What was the issue?