Is this a good price for the job advertised?

marieholmfan

https://www.irishjobs.ie/Jobs/Data-Analyst-8428846.aspx

Graham

Optimistic would be the polite way of describing the salary but looking at the employer that comes as no surprise.

At that salary I'd be surprised if they attracted people even capable of spelling the names of the underlying technologies.

Added: maybe the 'competitive bonus' is double the salary.

Manach

That is a low salary for the skills, so it could be an attempt to post the spec for visa form's sake.

dotsman

Manach wrote: »

That is a low salary for the skills, so it could be an attempt to post the spec for visa form's sake.

Offering a low graduate salary for a role requiring 5+ years specialist skills? Companies like this should be banned.

For those that don't know Wipro, it is an Indian company that doesn't hire Irish people and tries to peddle offshore development to dumb-ass senior management in badly run companies.

marieholmfan

dotsman wrote: »

Offering a low graduate salary for a role requiring 5+ years specialist skills? Companies like this should be banned.

For those that don't know Wipro, it is an Indian company that doesn't hire Irish people and tries to peddle offshore development to dumb-ass senior management in badly run companies.

Do you think this is likely to be an attempt to circumvent visa regulations ?

14ned

marieholmfan wrote: »

Do you think this is likely to be an attempt to circumvent visa regulations ?

Maybe, though perhaps maybe not.

If you look around the web for typical salaries in the Wipro Dublin office, they're paying 64k-113k for software developers, which I find competitive. Reviews of working there are either excellent or awful, though I note that most of the awful reviews are in non-software roles. I saw that for the software role reviews, pay ramps up very quickly in the first three years and then levels off. So it's possible that they have a strategy of hiring many bodies cheap, and then thinning out the ones they choose to retain.

Thinning the herd is an old fashioned recruitment strategy, but it does benefit self starters and those without top end or perfect qualifications who just want a chance, and are willing to work hard to get a foot into the industry. You'd do your few years at Wipro, get your CV nice and hot, and jump ship to better roles elsewhere. The industry could do with more of those kinds of places than everywhere being like Google and FB, and refusing anyone without a first class honours from Trinity or UCD etc.

I'll put this another way: in my opinion there is far worse out there than Wipro for software jobs. Some are well known banks in Dublin city centre, who pay very well, but wild horses wouldn't drag me in there.

Niall

dotsman

marieholmfan wrote: »

Do you think this is likely to be an attempt to circumvent visa regulations ?

Very much so.

14ned wrote: »

Maybe, though perhaps maybe not.

If you look around the web for typical salaries in the Wipro Dublin office, they're paying 64k-113k for software developers, which I find competitive. Reviews of working there are either excellent or awful, though I note that most of the awful reviews are in non-software roles. I saw that for the software role reviews, pay ramps up very quickly in the first three years and then levels off. So it's possible that they have a strategy of hiring many bodies cheap, and then thinning out the ones they choose to retain.

What website are you seeing that on? Looking at glassdoor and payscale, the salaries are pretty brutal (albeit from very few contributors).
Wipro - Glassdoor.ie
Wipro - Payscale.com

14ned wrote: »

Thinning the herd is an old fashioned recruitment strategy, but it does benefit self starters and those without top end or perfect qualifications who just want a chance, and are willing to work hard to get a foot into the industry. You'd do your few years at Wipro, get your CV nice and hot, and jump ship to better roles elsewhere. The industry could do with more of those kinds of places than everywhere being like Google and FB, and refusing anyone without a first class honours from Trinity or UCD etc.

While that is how consultant firm's sell themselves to potential employees, all too often, too much is down to chance. One person can be put in to an interesting role on a well-run project in a good client, with good co-workers they can learn from. Another could be put in to a role that is boring, doesn't help their career, or is one they will struggle in, on a disaster of a project, with a $hite client, surrounded by useless/hostile/political co-workers (or on their own). Another person can be left on the bench, then get a reputation for being useless (despite never getting a sound chance to develop/impress) and eventually be managed out, with nothing on their CV and totally frustrated/disillusioned.

14ned wrote: »

I'll put this another way: in my opinion there is far worse out there than Wipro for software jobs. Some are well known banks in Dublin city centre, who pay very well, but wild horses wouldn't drag me in there.

Niall

Are we talking about citi?

14ned

dotsman wrote: »

What website are you seeing that on? Looking at glassdoor and payscale, the salaries are pretty brutal (albeit from very few contributors).
Wipro - Glassdoor.ie
Wipro - Payscale.com

It was payscale. The glassdoor salaries paint a much worse picture. I agree those are brutally low. Unless they're way out into Dublin County, the only way anybody is still working there is because they're contractually tied into staying by coming in under a visa.

So, on that basis, I agree advertising those roles is 100% about demonstrating that "there are no EU citizens available to fill the role", and thus they can import more people from outside the EU.

dotsman wrote: »

While that is how consultant firm's sell themselves to potential employees, all too often, too much is down to chance. One person can be put in to an interesting role on a well-run project in a good client, with good co-workers they can learn from. Another could be put in to a role that is boring, doesn't help their career, or is one they will struggle in, on a disaster of a project, with a $hite client, surrounded by useless/hostile/political co-workers (or on their own). Another person can be left on the bench, then get a reputation for being useless (despite never getting a sound chance to develop/impress) and eventually be managed out, with nothing on their CV and totally frustrated/disillusioned.

I entirely agree with the above. However, for someone with poor qualifications and maybe a troubled background, any opportunity is better than no opportunity. I like to see places which will take a chance on someone normally excluded by HR and interviews. I think there should be more places happy to trial someone more in the bottom quartile, than the top, as measured by conventional HR and interview rankings.

Niall

DublinWriter

It's a joke. You'd earn more working in Mickey D's.

14ned

DublinWriter wrote: »

It's a joke. You'd earn more working in Mickey D's.

A minimum wage full time role in Ireland is now over €20k a year!

zom

14ned wrote: »

A minimum wage full time role in Ireland is now over €20k a year!

"in Ireland"

bpmurray

14ned wrote: »

A minimum wage full time role in Ireland is now over €20k a year!

From the minimum wage site:

"In 2020, the national minimum wage in Ireland remained fixed at 1,656.2 € per month, that is 19,874 euros per year, taking into account 12 payments per year."

Not quite €20K but let's not quibble over €126.