"Cruelty on Irish farms" item on Newstalk

Melodeon

On the Pat Kenny Show, to start after this ad break (9:19am).

"May be upsetting to some listeners."

Melodeon

This is about the surplus male dairy calf issue.
The vet is quite level-headed and sympathetic to the predicament farmer find themselves in with this.

kevthegaff

I'm getting bored listening to media atm, alot more crueler practices involving animals in the wild or commercial farming like pigs, chickens. It's funny my missus is a pasquetarian(eats fish but not meat but cooks it no problem) I said to her some of her beauty products are probably tested with animals, also alot of beauty products use animal fat such as moisturisers:-)

K.G.

kevthegaff wrote: »

I'm getting bored listening to media atm, alot more crueler practices involving animals in the wild or commercial farming like pigs, chickens. It's funny my missus is a pasquetarian(eats fish but not meat but cooks it no problem) I said to her some of her beauty products are probably tested with animals, also alot of beauty products use animal fat such as moisturisers:-)

You're a brave man.i d say you ll be cooking your own tonight

djmc

kevthegaff wrote: »

I'm getting bored listening to media atm, alot more crueler practices involving animals in the wild or commercial farming like pigs, chickens. It's funny my missus is a pasquetarian(eats fish but not meat but cooks it no problem) I said to her some of her beauty products are probably tested with animals, also alot of beauty products use animal fat such as moisturisers:-)

Pigs or chicken farms are not any crueler than dairy it's just that the vegans are so good at propaganda that even the farmer's are believing them
https://blackfieldfarm.com/the-facts-of-pig-farming/

Still waters

kevthegaff wrote: »

I'm getting bored listening to media atm, alot more crueler practices involving animals in the wild or commercial farming like pigs, chickens. It's funny my missus is a pasquetarian(eats fish but not meat but cooks it no problem) I said to her some of her beauty products are probably tested with animals, also alot of beauty products use animal fat such as moisturisers:-)

What practices come to mind when you mention chicken and pigs

auspicious

djmc wrote: »

Pigs or chicken farms are not any crueler than dairy it's just that the vegans are so good at propaganda that even the farmer's are believing them

I'm sure the vet. wasn't vegan.

gozunda

auspicious wrote: »

I'm sure the vet. wasn't vegan.

Why should a vet be vegan? Being a vegan or learning about 'veganism' is not part of any veterinary qualification that I've ever come across.

Should doctors only be Christian or Solipsists perhaps?

Oddly most of the 'vegan' documentary stuff I've seen , highlighting various animal welfare issues has little or nothing to do with helping improve animal welfare of the animals they portray.

Such documentaries mainly seem to use footage either to promote veganism or raise money. YouTube is awash with that stuff.

auspicious

The point was the vet. was only conveying facts. It wasn't propaganda.

Panch18

The same vet who was making statements to "The Guardian" yesterday in this article

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/20/it-would-be-kinder-to-shoot-them-irelands-calves-set-for-live-export

whelan2

There's animal cruelty and animal welfare. Would welfare be a better word than cruelty?

djmc

All farms have vet and department inspections and vets also issue export cert's. No farmer's would want to shoot calves but if there's no export market nobody eating veal and the farmer's can't afford to raise them at a loss what would people suggest

auspicious

It's a problem that has been forced upon farmers with directives to expand the herd.
The government should and must pay imo. for vet to farm visits.

djmc

Farms get inspections from vets from the department of agriculture which the government pays for but if anything is found wrong on the farm the farmer pays through cuts to his SFP pig or chicken farmer's don't receive any payments so they can be prosecuted in court and inspected more regularly.

Say my name

Panch18 wrote: »

The same vet who was making statements to "The Guardian" yesterday in this article

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/20/it-would-be-kinder-to-shoot-them-irelands-calves-set-for-live-export

Might as well add in the vegan vineyard reporter from the south of France had that irish dairy farmers give their cows opium to ease the stress when their calves are snatched away at birth.

https://sentientmedia.org/calf-life-opioids-export-and-abuse/

It must have been Mr. Cashman told her that. :pac:

I tell you something though I've been dairy farming all my life and I hadn't a clue all this was occurring. Thank God for vegan reporters from foreign countries who know the stories from the front lines.
Me a big ignorant farmer wouldn't have had a clue otherwise..

auspicious

Much noise should be made about this.
Farmers can't afford to call the vets. The goverment/IFA isn't going to turn around and say shoot them in the head. That's not farming.
Live exports is not a solution for these weak animals vulnerable to sickness, stress and exposure and denied their basic evolutionary instincts.

gozunda

auspicious wrote: »

Much noise should be made about this.
Farmers can't afford to call the vets. The goverment/IFA isn't going to turn around and say shoot them in the head. That's not farming.
Live exports is not a solution for these weak animals vulnerable to sickness, stress and exposure and denied their basic evolutionary instincts.

Yesh the plant food advocates are already using it as another opportunity no doubt ...

But who says all farmers vacant 'afford to call the vets". Absolute feking twaddle.

whelan2

gozunda wrote: »

Who the says all farmers vacant 'afford to call the vets". Absolute feking twaddle.

If you can't afford to call the vet there must be something seriously wrong.

auspicious

gozunda wrote: »

Yesh the plant food advocates

No. Advocates against animal cruelty which includes farmers.

Who2

auspicious wrote: »

No. Advocates against animal cruelty which includes farmers.

What has avacados to do with it? Poor creatures thrown into boxes wrapped in plastic, up on to Smokey old truck dumped out a lonely old warehouse where it’ll be sold onto the highest bidder, probably end on a boat or plane and go through the same process again, then they get thorn apart and smothered across a bit of toast, if it’s lucky there might be some chicken with it when the current is finally drawn on its feeble little life. The really unlucky ones will be swallowed up by pretentious sheep who are just on whatever bandwagon they feel makes them seem knowledgeable and interesting.
As you can see avacados have enough to worry about and shouldn’t worry about things that they know nothing about.

Gawddawggonnit

Listened to the vet B. Cashman on playback there now...he told it as it is?
He called out Teagasc and the Dept. of Ag. and gave a concise summary of the state of play?
As far as journalism goes, it’s as good as it gets. No sensationalism, and telling it like it is. It’s refreshing to listen to someone calmly explain the situation without resorting to emotional veganisms etc.