Range on LEAF 100K+ miles on clock

ChadHogan

Hi all,

I'd be interested in hearing how other owners have found the driving range as they go up to 100-150k miles on the clock.

I'm in the market for a second hand leaf, at the moment.

My current budget is leaving me looking at 24kwh models with 50-60k miles on the clock. Most seem to have lost 1 if not 2 bars of health.

I've been back and forth on buying a leaf for a couple of years but haven't bit the bullet yet, I think I am just about sold on the idea but just want to figure out If I was to buy one now, would I need to offload it in a couple of years.

My annual mileage is about 18k -20k miles, so if I bought 1 of the models I've been looking at I could have 100k miles on it within 2 years or so.

My daily commute is 35km each way with the m50 toll thrown in. So my travel costs would be significantly reduced by switching.

The models I've seen 2013/2014 seem to be quoting 130-140km range. We would retain a second car with ICE in the house so not concerned about longer trips.

Any insight would be much appreciated.

Thanks

Round Cable

ChadHogan wrote: »

The models I've seen 2013/2014 seem to be quoting 130-140km range. We would retain a second car with ICE in the house so not concerned about longer trips.

Just on this, that quoted range is extremely optimistic. Particularly on 2013 gen 1 Leafs that had much worse battery degradation. I'd say a 2013 with a bar or 2 gone would be lucky to do 90km in winter conditions. It should just be OK for 70km round trip on the M50, so long as you don't stray over 100km/h indicated on the speedometer.

If you have the money, it would be worth getting a gen 1.5 for better battery durability. The gen 1 has a white interior, while a gen 1.5 has a dark interior. These came about in 2014, although some 2014s will still be gen 1.

ChadHogan

Thanks for the info on the gen 1 vs gen 1.5, thats very helpful.

I have been looking at a 2014 model, with about 60k on the clock, sounds like a good idea to limit myself to gen 1.5s.

Just wondering if there is anyone out there who has held onto their leaf, for over 100k miles and what the real world range was at that stage

rolion

ChadHogan wrote: »

Thanks for the info on the gen 1 vs gen 1.5, thats very helpful.

I have been looking at a 2014 model, with about 60k on the clock, sounds like a good idea to limit myself to gen 1.5s.

Just wondering if there is anyone out there who has held onto their leaf, for over 100k miles and what the real world range was at that stage

My L24, 2014,over 125K Km, 10 bars,SOH around 80ish.
Battery range 1% =1 Km on this weather.
Doing just fine for her needs.

Soarer

2011 L24, 194k kms, 8 bars, around 62% SOH (I think).

Probably getting between 60-70km pottering around with a light enough foot.

unkel

Soarer wrote: »

2011 L24, 194k kms, 8 bars, around 62% SOH (I think).

Is yours the blue one that's for sale on DD? Also 2011 and 194k km

ChadHogan

Thanks for the responses, those figures sound reasonable to me.

I'd like to be able to get a 4 or 5 years out been of this car for the daily commute. Seems to be doable based on those couple of examples

Soarer

unkel wrote: »

Is yours the blue one that's for sale on DD? Also 2011 and 194k km

Nope.
Mine is black.

ChadHogan

Hey Everyone, I think I've managed to trackdown a leaf i'm happy with from a mileage and battery point view. its a 2014 acenta model. Mileage is 110km

I borrowed a friends OBD and ran the leaf spy App. Battery was showing SOH of 82%. AHr was 53.7% . Seems maybe similiar to Rolion's battery stats quoted above.

One item i noticed was there was ~430 quick charges, this seemed high to me. Was just wondering if this is something to be concerned about? Or does the battery stats tell me all i need to know.

One other thing I'm a little concerned about is there is no service history available. I've gotten a cartell report and reviewed the NCT mileage, and the mileage when it was imported, so it doesn't appear that its been clocked. Would I be right in saying for an EV that this is less concerning for than for an ICE. As from what I can tell the mechanical scope of a service is limited

The car is out of warranty so lack of service history is not so bad. The SOH 82% sounds good making the car one capacity bar dropper. AHr is not in percents by the way.

If you buy this just get the brake fluid changed at the earliest opportunity and change the cabin air filter. And visual inspection for the brake discs and pads. Nothing else to service on these.

Zenith74

ChadHogan wrote: »

One item i noticed was there was ~430 quick charges, this seemed high to me. Was just wondering if this is something to be concerned about? Or does the battery stats tell me all i need to know.

Wouldn’t worry about the number of QCs at all, the State of Health is the main thing you need to worry about.

rolion

ChadHogan wrote: »

Hey Everyone, I think I've managed to trackdown a leaf i'm happy with from a mileage and battery point view. its a 2014 acenta model. Mileage is 110km

I borrowed a friends OBD and ran the leaf spy App. Battery was showing SOH of 82%. AHr was 53.7% . Seems maybe similiar to Rolion's battery stats quoted above.

One item i noticed was there was ~430 quick charges, this seemed high to me. Was just wondering if this is something to be concerned about? Or does the battery stats tell me all i need to know.

One other thing I'm a little concerned about is there is no service history available. I've gotten a cartell report and reviewed the NCT mileage, and the mileage when it was imported, so it doesn't appear that its been clocked. Would I be right in saying for an EV that this is less concerning for than for an ICE. As from what I can tell the mechanical scope of a service is limited

Brought the L24 to almost 10% percentage on the battery by driving local and near the house. I setup a full charge by disabling the 80% setting.
Charger reported injected in the car 17kWh.
Knowing that the 24Kw battery is actually a 22Kw means that I lost 5kWh in battery storage (22 - 17=5 lost).

Re your car, if you can get your head that maxim range is 100Kmyou should be fine. another thing that will annoy you is daily, every day (I meant night rate charge) plug in the cable / plug out the cable. With a L30 or L40 maybe only few charges a week.

The QC means has been used on rapids and 430 is nothing. Mine were over 1000.We don't know the history and it most matters how you protect the future.

Enjoy it.

AhHaor

rolion wrote: »

Brought the L24 to almost 10% percentage on the battery by driving local and near the house. I setup a full charge by disabling the 80% setting.
Charger reported injected in the car 17kWh.
Knowing that the 24Kw battery is actually a 22Kw means that I lost 5kWh in battery storage (22 - 17=5 lost).

Enjoy it.

I thought they were actually 20.9. so at 10% you'll have 2.1 left and if 17 went in to 100% that means you've only lost 2kWh capacity.

McGiver

AhHaor wrote:

I thought they were actually 20.9. so at 10% you'll have 2.1 left and if 17 went in to 100% that means you've only lost 2kWh capacity.

Yep. They are 21 point something so it's more correct to use 21.5 or even 21.0 than 22 as the base value.

KCross

Mine was 22 when I got it and it was 12 months old at that stage.

However, the last 0.4kWh is when turtle mode kicks in so you cant really use that so 21.5kWh usable is about right.

rolion

Sorry...
10% already in the car.
Thats 10% of 21Kw = 2Kw stored already
Charger injected 15kWh.
Battery storage = 15 + 2 = 17Kw.

Nominal holding charge 21Kw - 15Kw (injected) + 2Kw stored = 4Kw lost overall.
How could that be true when i have only 10 bars !?

I'm going to check it with the dongle now... hmmm...impressed: SOH 79%.
Based on the 2019 August check, at 124k km, SOH was 78.77%
Based on the 2020 January check, at 130K km, SOH is 78.92%

AhHaor

rolion wrote: »

Sorry...
10% already in the car.
Thats 10% of 21Kw = 2Kw stored already
Charger injected 15kWh.
Battery storage = 15 + 2 = 17Kw.

Nominal holding charge 21Kw - 15Kw (injected) + 2Kw stored = 4Kw lost overall.
How could that be true when i have only 10 bars !?

I'm going to check it with the dongle now... hmmm...impressed: SOH 79%.
Based on the 2019 August check, at 124k km, SOH was 78.77%
Based on the 2020 January check, at 130K km, SOH is 78.92%

Does anyone know what parameters are used to get SOH.

KCross

AhHaor wrote: »

Does anyone know what parameters are used to get SOH.

I know you need to fully charge and discharge it for it to be accurate so presumably its just a basic measurement of energy in and energy out relative to what a new battery would give (22kWh).

McGiver

AhHaor wrote: »

Does anyone know what parameters are used to get SOH.

Nobody knows....:cool:

McGiver

rolion wrote: »

Sorry...
10% already in the car.
Thats 10% of 21Kw = 2Kw stored already
Charger injected 15kWh.
Battery storage = 15 + 2 = 17Kw.

Nominal holding charge 21Kw - 15Kw (injected) + 2Kw stored = 4Kw lost overall.
How could that be true when i have only 10 bars !?

I'm going to check it with the dongle now... hmmm...impressed: SOH 79%.
Based on the 2019 August check, at 124k km, SOH was 78.77%
Based on the 2020 January check, at 130K km, SOH is 78.92%

It's inline with my calculation.

Net capacity is 21.50 kWh
SOC was 10%, which in reality is typically less (you can verify this with LeafSpy it always shows less than the dash), so let's assume 8%.
You charged 15 kWh (was it exactly 15.0 kWh?), anyway let's assume 15.00 kWh.

Estimation of SOH:
((0.08 * 21.50) + 15.00) / 21.50 = (1.72 + 15.00) / 21.50 = 16.72 / 21.50 = 0.7777

--> SOH = 77.8 %

If I assume 10% dash SOC was 10% SOC actual then it's 79.8%

So you could estimate between 77.5 to 80 % SOH, which is inline with your LeafSpy there. You should have just lost 11th bar based on that.

ChadHogan

I'm picking up my new leaf on Friday.

Really interesting stuff there, I'll try a similar exercise myself once I get a few weeks driving under my belt, and helpful to understand how the range changes over time.

Thanks to everyone chimed in over the last couple of days. The info shared here confirmed for me that the car was going to be suitable for me.