100% Electric bus been used at Crowne Plaza Dublin

sonyvision

Just saw the first fully Electric bus been used by the Crowne plaza in Santry. This is a free transfer service to and from the airport.

The Model is a Volvo 7900e single desk bus

https://esb.ie/tns/press-centre/2019/2019/02/12/crowne-plaza-hotel-dublin-airport-orders-ireland-s-first-electric-bus-with-esb-providing-the-ev-charging-solution

Joseph SEE

sonyvision wrote: »

Just seen the first fully Electric bus been used by the Crowne plaza in Santry. This is a free transfer service to and from the airport.

The Model is a Volvo 7900e single desk bus

https://esb.ie/tns/press-centre/2019/2019/02/12/crowne-plaza-hotel-dublin-airport-orders-ireland-s-first-electric-bus-with-esb-providing-the-ev-charging-solution

"Scheduled for delivery at the end of 2019, the bus is a one door 12m Generation 2 7900e with 200kW battery capacity." You'd think the ESB of all people would know the difference between KW and kWh.


Hopefully, a sign of good things to come. We could do with cleaning up our appalling air quality.

KCross

The Volvo website says its a 76kWh (600V) battery with 160kW motor with 6min rapid charge time!
https://www.volvobuses.co.uk/en-gb/our-offering/buses/volvo-7900-electric/specifications.html

What does the charger look like in Santry? Is it the fully automated one that extends from the roof?

drunkmonkey

Waste of time they pulled them from service in Germany. Hoping to replace them with Hydrogen buses.
How many windmills does it take to charge it?

ednwireland

loads of electric buses across europe, they are called trolleybuses, really cant see why introducing what really is ancient technology seems to be so difficult here

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Waste of time they pulled them from service in Germany. Hoping to replace them with Hydrogen buses.
How many windmills does it take to charge it?

bit ridiculous i was sitting in streetside cafe in athens which was on a trolleybus line made it very bearable

is hydrogen tech even a thing yet - seriously havent seen anything on it for a good while

Joseph SEE

KCross wrote: »

The Volvo website says its a 76kWh (600V) battery with 160kW motor with 6min rapid charge time!
https://www.volvobuses.co.uk/en-gb/our-offering/buses/volvo-7900-electric/specifications.html

What does the charger look like in Santry? Is it the fully automated one that extends from the roof?

Needs updating. That was the older version. This is gen 2.

Joseph SEE

ednwireland wrote: »

is hydrogen tech even a thing yet - seriously havent seen anything on it for a good while

It will never be a thing. It's fundamentally flawed tech.

Too expensive, too inefficient, too long to wait between filll-ups and too dangerous. It's continually peddled out by the ignorant and the disingenuous. It's the technology of tomorrow and it will always stay that way.

Drunkmonkey is anti-EV.

liamog

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Waste of time they pulled them from service in Germany. Hoping to replace them with Hydrogen buses.
How many windmills does it take to charge it?

Less than it takes to produce the hydrogen for a fuel cell.

sonyvision

I'll try get a picture tomorrow.

I seen the charger and thought it was for a car but then saw a bus driving towards me!.

Bus looks alright it's black with Crowne plaza branding and 100% Electric on the side

drunkmonkey

ednwireland wrote: »

loads of electric buses across europe, they are called trolleybuses

I was thinking of a bus, this I've been on one of these trolley buses myself.

Bruthal

Joseph SEE wrote: »

You'd think the ESB of all people would know the difference between KW and kWh.

It is likely they do. But unlikely every single person connected with them do.

Kramer

drunkmonkey wrote: »

How many windmills does it take to charge it?

I'd say you'd have more luck milling grain than charging a BEV with a windmill .

Idbatterim

electric buses would be so much more pleasant to travel in than diesel and would encourage more people to switch over

timsey tiger

and so much nicer to be passed by when out for a walk.

liamog

Much nicer to cycle behind too.

Joseph SEE

Bruthal wrote: »

It is likely they do. But unlikely every single person connected with them do.

Sorry, but that's not good enough. It's an official press release and we're talking about an organisation with over 7,000 employees that specialises in electricity. That is amateurish.

JohnC.

How much wiring do you think the PR people do?

ted1

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Waste of time they pulled them from service in Germany. Hoping to replace them with Hydrogen buses.
How many windmills does it take to charge it?

None, As Wind mills have nothing to do with Electricity.

Any details to your post ? Why did they pull them? Who is hoping to replace them with hydrogen ?

The bus is a shuttle between the hotel and airport. I’d say it’s a shorter route than any bus route they had it in in Germany.

liamog

It's one of those easy mistakes to make when you are drunk (or a monkey). Drunkmonkey appears to have confused pull with order 1000 replacements.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxfhuYnvuIk

bk

ednwireland wrote: »

loads of electric buses across europe, they are called trolleybuses, really cant see why introducing what really is ancient technology seems to be so difficult here

And 400,000 EV buses in China! China is producing 9,000 EV buses every 6 weeks, that is the entire London Bus fleet every 6 weeks!

The issue with Trolleybuses is that it is relatively expensive to put up the wiring and other infrastructure to support it. And it tends to face lots of objections.

Doesn't make sense to spend all that money on wiring when so many EV buses already exist and battery tech is advancing so quickly.

Joseph SEE

JohnC. wrote: »

How much wiring do you think the PR people do?

Press releases are vetted in well-run organisations.

ted1

Joseph SEE wrote: »

Press releases are vetted in well-run organisations.

In fairness to the PR team, or the marketing team etc, they aren’t technical. And may have vetted it , but didn’t pickup on the typo by a technical person.
But I’m glad to see that on an article about the first electric bus in Ireland. That your only concern is a typo where a “h” was omitted

unkel

Gotta agree with Joseph here. It was the first thing I spotted. It's not just a typo. It says a lot about the ESB as an organisation. And it's not good.

Joseph SEE

ted1 wrote: »

In fairness to the PR team, or the marketing team etc, they aren’t technical. And may have vetted it , but didn’t pickup on the typo by a technical person.
But I’m glad to see that on an article about the first electric bus in Ireland. That your only concern is a typo where a “h” was omitted

Of course that's not my only concern. Inaccuracy in reporting and lack of any scientific knowledge is endemic in Irish media.

I heard Keelin Shanley say global warming was caused by lowering CO2 emissions one evening on the RTE News last year. She didn't even realise it was a mistake as she read it out.

The ESB press release is a microcosm of a larger issue with our media. That's one of the chef reasons for anti-EV coverage. If you hire clowns don't be surprised when you end up with a circus.

Perhaps the solution is to hire people with technical backgrounds for these positions and not people with degrees in PR and journalism which are by and large useless.

Joseph SEE

ted1 wrote: »

In fairness to the PR team, or the marketing team etc, they aren’t technical. And may have vetted it , but didn’t pickup on the typo by a technical person.
But I’m glad to see that on an article about the first electric bus in Ireland. That your only concern is a typo where a “h” was omitted

Of course that's not my only concern. Inaccuracy in reporting and lack of any scientific knowledge is endemic in Irish media.

I heard Keelin Shanley say global warming was caused by lowering CO2 emissions one evening on the RTE News last year. She didn't even realise it was a mistake as she read it out.

The ESB press release is a microcosm of a larger issue with our media. That's (inaccuracy and lack of scientific knowledge in the wider sense) one of the chef reasons for anti-EV coverage. If you hire clowns don't be surprised when you end up with a circus.

Perhaps the solution (to our media issue) is to hire people with technical backgrounds for these positions and not people with degrees in PR and journalism which are by and large, useless.

Joseph SEE

ted1 wrote: »

In fairness to the PR team, or the marketing team etc, they aren’t technical. And may have vetted it , but didn’t pickup on the typo by a technical person.
But I’m glad to see that on an article about the first electric bus in Ireland. That your only concern is a typo where a “h” was omitted

Just for context, this is what happens when you don't have technically-minded people in the media.

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058043556/1

It's difficult to quantify how much damage this one idiot with a microphone has done.

Perhaps if we had good reporters for technical topics the diesel fiasco that we have now could have been prevented. How many people has this sent to an early grave?

Similarly, the general public would be aware of how much damage solid fuel fires (including wood) cause to people's health in built up areas. Likewise, they would have a good idea of the damage fossil bikes and scooters do in comparison to even car diesels.

They might also be aware of the crucial difference between a screening test and a diagnostic test when it comes to health. Instead of the nonsense reporting we have now.

The public might be aware as to how many DCC tenants haven't paid any rent (60%) and are living scot-free off taxpayers money. How many so-called homeless won't accept free houses because some of their kids would have to share a room. How many of same "homeless" wreck their accommodation and expect the council to fix it. There are widespread horror stories in every council.

The public would be aware that the inefficiencies in the HSE isn't just simplistically down to admin. We have twice as many patient interactions (nurses and doctors) than France. They'd know that nurses' average salary is between 47 and 48k Euro (before they got another pay rise). That's one of the highest rates in Western Europe. The public would know we have more nurses on a per capita basis than any other European country. That nurses elected to work long hours to get extra days off. That they voted to shaft new nurses instead of taking a pay cut.

We'd also have a good idea of what certain judges are costing taxpayers in their compo awards. How many business have had to shut down as a result. How many murderers have killed more people because judges didn't give proper previous sentences. We'd know the names of the offending judges. The likes of Manuela Riedo would be alive if proper media reporting made people accountable.

People would realise that not evicting non-mortgage payers means Ireland has one of the highest rates of mortgage interest in Europe. Proper reporting would highlight that scabs like Anthony McGann in Roscommon didn't pay his mortgage in years and also had over 400k in unpaid taxes. Background would be done first before breaking the story.

We'd know that 6.7% of annual government revenue is going on servicing debt. The public would understand the importance as to why reducing that debt should be the first priority to prevent a much more catastrophic next recession. They'd know that bank debt was dwarfed by social welfare and public sector spending.

The ESB press release is obviously minor, but it's a symptom of a huge problem when you have a media that's not doing it's job. The consequences of this has been, is now, and will still be in future, catastrophic.

Joseph SEE

Just to clarify a little. I'm not saying whoever wrote the press release is a clown. Clearly they are not. I'll reserve that title for people who are deserving of it.

And it would be completely unfair to pin all those issues I mentioned above on the ESB and those that wrote that. I don't mean that at all.

What I do mean is that attention to detail and lack of technical acumen is a huge problem in Ireland. We are paying a costly and very real price for this.

ted1

Joseph SEE wrote: »

Just for context, this is what happens when you don't have technically-minded people in the media.

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058043556/1

It's difficult to quantify how much damage this one idiot with a microphone has done.

Perhaps if we had good reporters for technical topics the diesel fiasco that we have now could have been prevented. How many people has this sent to an early grave?

Similarly, the general public would be aware of how much damage solid fuel fires (including wood) cause to people's health in built up areas. Likewise, they would have a good idea of the damage fossil bikes and scooters do in comparison to even car diesels.

They might also be aware of the crucial difference between a screening test and a diagnostic test when it comes to health. Instead of the nonsense reporting we have now.

The public might be aware as to how many DCC tenants haven't paid any rent (60%) and are living scot-free off taxpayers money. How many so-called homeless won't accept free houses because some of their kids would have to share a room. How many of same "homeless" wreck their accommodation and expect the council to fix it. There are widespread horror stories in every council.

The public would be aware that the inefficiencies in the HSE isn't just simplistically down to admin. We have twice as many patient interactions (nurses and doctors) than France. They'd know that nurses' average salary is between 47 and 48k Euro (before they got another pay rise). That's one of the highest rates in Western Europe. The public would know we have more nurses on a per capita basis than any other European country. That nurses elected to work long hours to get extra days off. That they voted to shaft new nurses instead of taking a pay cut.

We'd also have a good idea of what certain judges are costing taxpayers in their compo awards. How many business have had to shut down as a result. How many murderers have killed more people because judges didn't give proper previous sentences. We'd know the names of the offending judges. The likes of Manuela Riedo would be alive if proper media reporting made people accountable.

People would realise that not evicting non-mortgage payers means Ireland has one of the highest rates of mortgage interest in Europe. Proper reporting would highlight that scabs like Anthony McGann in Roscommon didn't pay his mortgage in years and also had over 400k in unpaid taxes. Background would be done first before breaking the story.

We'd know that 6.7% of annual government revenue is going on servicing debt. The public would understand the importance as to why reducing that debt should be the first priority to prevent a much more catastrophic next recession. They'd know that bank debt was dwarfed by social welfare and public sector spending.

The ESB press release is obviously minor, but it's a symptom of a huge problem when you have a media that's not doing it's job. The consequences of this has been, is now, and will still be in future, catastrophic.

Wow, that escalated quickly.

Joseph SEE

ted1 wrote: »

Wow, that escalated quickly.

Hehe.

KCross

unkel wrote: »

Gotta agree with Joseph here. It was the first thing I spotted. It's not just a typo. It says a lot about the ESB as an organisation. And it's not good.

One thing I have to say is that you never miss an opportunity to stick the knife into ESB! :pac:

I think you should make it your new years resolution to never use any ESB infrastructure. It would only be the right thing to do!

unkel

KCross wrote: »

One thing I have to say is that you never miss an opportunity to stick the knife into ESB! :pac:

Not accurate. I had spotted the error, and the gravity of it, given the source of where it came from. But I decided not to mention it. Not until after the issue was played down by an ESB employee as a typo.

The issue is far deeper than that, see Joseph's rant...

Raoul

Is this bus meant to be in use at the moment. Saw the old bus being used two different times today.

sonyvision

I thought the bus would be used every day, but an old ICE was used this week on two different days.

There is the charging point which the bus was plugged into.

Will be keeping an eye out this week to see if the electric or ICE bus is used.

yer man!

They have these in most cities in the Netherlands. Really lovely to be in. Super quiet and much less rattly than a diesel bus. They do creep up on you though when you're cycling as they're so quiet. Makes a huge difference to the city centres however, when there's no cars and just these buses, the place is very pleasant.

tom1ie

unkel wrote: »

Gotta agree with Joseph here. It was the first thing I spotted. It's not just a typo. It says a lot about the ESB as an organisation. And it's not good.

Does it really?
So because someone left out a "h" the ESB as an organisation is being called into question by you.
There are 7000 employees working in the ESB so therefore all those employees need to be called into question?
Are you enjoying your uninterrupted power supply provided by the company your calling into question?
Jesus wept the sense of outrage from you is a bit much!

Bruthal

Joseph SEE wrote: »

Sorry, but that's not good enough. It's an official press release and we're talking about an organisation with over 7,000 employees that specialises in electricity. That is amateurish.

Don`t complain to posters here. Get onto them, before the universe implodes.

Bruthal

unkel wrote: »

Gotta agree with Joseph here. It was the first thing I spotted. It's not just a typo. It says a lot about the ESB as an organisation. And it's not good.

Yes, blackouts galore, so bad is the organisation:D

unkel

Bruthal wrote: »

Yes, blackouts galore

Yes indeed. Every time there is a minor storm, thousands of houses are left without power. This doesn't happen in most other rich first world countries that have half decent infrastructure (and of course all cabling underground). After each storm, thousands of man hours are wasted fixing these connections. These should be better invested in improving the infrastructure so there will be no more power cuts.

It's unfortunate that most people here (like yourself) have low standards and think the current status quo is "grand"

nthclare

This post Reminds me of the first bus to leave the factory in Shannon way back in the day, lol it broke down near Bunratty Castle, I know a few guys who worked in that factory.
They're still getting slagged about it.

Bon voyage

Bruthal

unkel wrote: »

Yes indeed. Every time there is a minor storm, thousands of houses are left without power. This doesn't happen in most other rich first world countries that have half decent infrastructure (and of course all cabling underground). After each storm, thousands of man hours are wasted fixing these connections. These should be better invested in improving the infrastructure so there will be no more power cuts.

It's unfortunate that most people here (like yourself) have low standards and think the current status quo is "grand"

Must be hard going for you having to put up with so many power cuts alright.

unkel

Bruthal wrote: »

Must be hard going for you having to put up with so many power cuts alright.

Not where I am, all power lines here are under ground. We very rarely have a power cut. Unlike the hundreds of thousands of people in this country that do get them (because of the poor infrastructure where they are)

JohnC.

Other countries do get power cuts with storms. Sometimes ESB crews even travel to help them restore it.

Bruthal

unkel wrote: »

Not where I am, all power lines here are under ground. We very rarely have a power cut. Unlike the hundreds of thousands of people in this country that do get them (because of the poor infrastructure where they are)

So what steps will you now take to improve this low standard?

Bruthal

JohnC. wrote: »

Other countries do get power cuts with storms. Sometimes ESB crews even travel to help them restore it.

They wont get them over anymore when they see this missing h

ted1

unkel wrote: »

Not where I am, all power lines here are under ground. We very rarely have a power cut. Unlike the hundreds of thousands of people in this country that do get them (because of the poor infrastructure where they are)

Bollox.

we’ve a low population density with lots of one of houses.

The cost to put cables underground to supply rural customers is prohibitive. We’ve a very stable grid in comparison to other countries.

Our grid is extremely stable and developed that many countries look to Ireland as an example

KCross

ted1 wrote: »

The cost to put cables underground to supply rural customers is prohibitive.

Unkel wont mind when the cost of his electricity goes up to put all our cables underground. Sure its only 10s of billions... it'll be grand!

tom1ie

unkel wrote: »

Yes indeed. Every time there is a minor storm, thousands of houses are left without power. This doesn't happen in most other rich first world countries that have half decent infrastructure (and of course all cabling underground). After each storm, thousands of man hours are wasted fixing these connections. These should be better invested in improving the infrastructure so there will be no more power cuts.

It's unfortunate that most people here (like yourself) have low standards and think the current status quo is "grand"

? Wow! You obviously have no idea of technical restrictions in putting cabling underground regarding capacitance issues, let alone when you get a fault on a cable it takes alot longer to locate and fix faults.
Every country in the world has electrical faults on the grid it's the nature of the beast.
We have one of the best and most guaranteed supplies of electricity in the world.
This is a large part of the reason you see so many servers and major international company's setting up in Ireland.

Sorry your post is completely ignorant.

sonyvision

Both Bus and Charging point here.

Seen the bus plugged in from the front under the windscreen charging.

Admin, can these be attached to the first post?