The Very Expensive New Hospital!

Sam Quentin

I think it would be a great idea to make the new hospital:half Childrens and half General/normal.

Ha Long Bay

bennyineire

I don't, in fact I think your idea is ludicrous

TuringBot47

Sam Quentin wrote: »

I think it would be a great idea to make the new hospital:half Childrens and half General/normal.

Even better would to make the new hospital:one third Childrens, one third General/normal and one third apartments to pay for the rest of the hospital.

Free hospital, everyones happy.
A dim witted plan worthy of Sinn Fein.

Del2005

Sam Quentin wrote: »

I think it would be a great idea to make the new hospital:half Childrens and half General/normal.

You know that it's being co located with a general hospital.

touts

Sam Quentin wrote: »

I think it would be a great idea to make the new hospital:half Childrens and half General/normal.

Of all the miriad and costly things wrong with the Dublin Children's Hospital that isn't one of them.

Maybe if FF didn't close all the ones that we had..

Sam Quentin

I understand if you have the contract for supplying the beds, that if you already had them made you would be rightly pïssed off,.but other than that I don't see why this idea would annoy anybody!?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Sam Quentin wrote: »

I understand if you have the contract for supplying the beds, that if you already had them made you would be rightly pïssed off,.but other than that I don't see why this idea would annoy anybody!?

Maybe because the whole idea is to provide the size and capacity of a children's hospital we need?

But, I suspect you're well aware of this.

2/10.

salmocab

They could locate the other half in James’s hospital.

alias no.9

The childrens hospital is a long overdue piece of infrastructure, the single most important thing right now is to get it finished, doing anything to delay that will make it more expensive.

It's purpose built for the treatment of children and is being built to the highest spec and yes it's costing top dollar. Why on earth would you immediately half its capacity, scrap all of the bespoke infrastructure already put in place or in the pipeline for the treatment children so that you can spend even more money adapting and redesigning the building for the treatment of adults? It's simply bat**** crazy.

Add capacity for the treatment of adults by all means but don't cut capacity for treatment of children in the process.

jonon9

Asitis2019

I drove through St James today at 10.30am and again at 14.30pm, as I do on many days, and it was jammers. No parking, and a long queue to get into the car park. No ground parking, and no where to park nearby.

The proposed site is absolute madness. They should have used the Player Wills site, which is very close to St. James and the Coombe. It was clearly a political decision, and it will have negative ramifications for decades to come.

The huge disadvantage, which people are not talking about is that there is no room for expansion of the existing adult hospital. The main new hospital and A&E department opened around 1990, and with minor exceptions has not been expanded. The A&E department - despite the fact that it is a city centre emergency department - is tiny. It is a credit to the staff that they don't suffer the same levels of trolley numbers as Tallaght or the Mater.

But getting back to my point, there is no further room for expansion. The only way is expand upwards, which would entail massive disruption. For me, an adult hospital is more important than a children's hospital because theoretically, every one in its catchment area will use an adult hospital at some point in their life, whereas only a small proportion of children get sick.

I don't understand why EVERY child needs a separate room. And I don't understand why the frigging building is constructed as an oval with a park on top. It seems Leo and his friends are more interested in winning architectural awards than they are at actually improving health and outcomes.

Mark my words, ten years from now, that hospital will be above capacity, and so will the main hospital. Demographic forces are going to come to the fore as the baby boomers start hitting the late 70s and early 80s.

:rolleyes:

Beeping Kitchen Appliances

Sam Quentin wrote: »

I understand if you have the contract for supplying the beds

Bigger beds, bigger profit margins.

Sam Quentin

Beeping Kitchen Appliances wrote: »

Bigger beds, bigger profit margins.

I suppose he could stretch the beds he has already made and add the additional cost to his invoice :cool:

Guy:Incognito

Asitis2019 wrote: »

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The huge disadvantage, which people are not talking about is that there is no room for expansion of the existing adult hospital.

Is the sky a lot lower around rialto than the rest of the country?

Sprawling hospitals are a symptom of our silly practices in the past. Level the lot and build up. Theres no reason why people lying in wards need to be on the ground floor.

Big ground floor a & e and everything else above.

Beeping Kitchen Appliances

Sam Quentin wrote: »

I suppose he could stretch the beds he has already made and add the additional cost to his invoice :cool:

He could get two small beds to co-locate and become a campus full size bed.

Asitis2019

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Is the sky a lot lower around rialto than the rest of the country?

Sprawling hospitals are a symptom of our silly practices in the past. Level the lot and build up. Theres no reason why people lying in wards need to be on the ground floor.

Big ground floor a & e and everything else above.

Agree with you on height.

But in the mean time, what do you do with all the patients for five years or so it would take to level and build? Please come back in five years

My point is that the existing site could and should have been used to build a high rise adult hospital. It still can. Just ditch the park and build a rectangle as a high as planning regulations will allow.

salmocab

Asitis2019 wrote: »

Agree with you on height.

But in the mean time, what do you do with all the patients for five years or so it would take to level and build? Please come back in five years

My point is that the existing site could and should have been used to build a high rise adult hospital. It still can. Just ditch the park and build a rectangle as a high as planning regulations will allow.

I said on one of the threads here a long time ago that one of the faults with the site is James’s will eventually outgrow it anyway. As new methods and systems come in space will run out and buildings only have certain life spans anyway. They should have picked a site that could take 3 hospitals for tri location and built for the future.

Del2005

salmocab wrote: »

I said on one of the threads here a long time ago that one of the faults with the site is James’s will eventually outgrow it anyway. As new methods and systems come in space will run out and buildings only have certain life spans anyway. They should have picked a site that could take 3 hospitals for tri location and built for the future.

You mean like Blanch? Big open spaces easy access from multiple directions and we could improve the public transport to it for a lot less than building in the middle of a busy city on a small site.

Del2005

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Is the sky a lot lower around rialto than the rest of the country?

Sprawling hospitals are a symptom of our silly practices in the past. Level the lot and build up. Theres no reason why people lying in wards need to be on the ground floor.

Big ground floor a & e and everything else above.

No. But people think that a low rise sprawl is better than building up in our cities so we can't build double digit high buildings in our cities, instead we are concreting our countryside and mountains

Idbatterim

The next time , they should design it in some crazy shape. We all know from grand designs , how building anything other than a rectangle or square , is oh so cheap ! we really do have the greatest minds in this country !

Bob Harris

What hospital?

salmocab

Del2005 wrote: »

You mean like Blanch? Big open spaces easy access from multiple directions and we could improve the public transport to it for a lot less than building in the middle of a busy city on a small site.

I personally would have gone with the land the irfu sold at new lands cross. A shuttle of some sort could have been built to and from red cow luas. The thing is a hospital will likely be there for the guts of 100 years so most of the people who will need it’s parents haven’t even been born yet. It needed a long term strategy.

Del2005

salmocab wrote: »

I personally would have gone with the land the irfu sold at new lands cross. A shuttle of some sort could have been built to and from red cow luas. The thing is a hospital will likely be there for the guts of 100 years so most of the people who will need it’s parents haven’t even been born yet. It needed a long term strategy.

There's already 1 hospital in Blanch so we won't have to build 2 in Newlands Cross and there's a rail line close to build a spur line, but either option would be better then the current one.

salmocab

Del2005 wrote: »

There's already 1 hospital in Blanch so we won't have to build 2 in Newlands Cross and there's a rail line close to build a spur line, but either option would be better then the current one.

I think In reality blanch hospital is not big enough for effective bi location and would need huge amounts of work, where as new greenfield location would mean building in a structured manner with things like shared energy centres, access, and even well thought out planning for any future works. There also needs to be room for the Coombe which probably needs to stay on the southside for I think it mainly covers SW Dublin.

Edit: when I say not big enough I mean the hospital not the grounds.