OSRAM Smart+ LED, ZigBee bulb B22d connection €10.99 amazon Germany

Suckit

€19.99 for one delivered, €30 for two, so may be better value to buy more than one.


OSRAM Smart+ LED, ZigBee Lamp with B22d Socket, warm white to daylight, Color Change RGB, dimmable, Directly compatible with Echo Plus and Echo Show (2. Gen.), Compatible with Philips Hue Bridge [Energy Class A]
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B074PYT9R5/

• Compatible with Amazon Echo. Light can be dimmed and controlled by voice command. (Gateway and Amazon echo necessary and sold separately) and these products are also compatible with open zigbee network devices and gateways, including the likes of philips hue, amazon echo plus and others
• Light can be dimmed and controlled by voice command. (Gateway and Amazon echo necessary and sold separately)
• Tuneable White - Continuously change the colour temperature between warm white (2,700 Kelvin) and daylight (6,500 Kelvin)
• RGB colour control - Create your own lighting scenarios and realize your personal colour wishes. Automatic programming possible
• LED light bulb dimmable - With your light control app
• Burglar-inhibitant - No matter where you are in the world, you control your lighting from a distance - even fully automatically

Edited - Also the ZigBee GU10 Reflector now on sale for €10.99
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0747X166P/

corsav6

This needs a hub to connect to Alexa or Nest?
I think the Philips hue bulbs connect to Alexa and Nest without any bridge. I purchased the Nest Mini and Philips bulb as a kit for Xmas and they work without a hub.

kenyard

Question. Why is everyone getting these instead of smart switches?
I know led lights survive ages and all so maybe it is considered permanent almost, but I can't understand why people don't get light switches instead.
It's the route I'm considering going...
Also if you turn this off at the wall it won't turn on with Alexa or at your phone so it makes sense to me to have 1 on/off controller instead of 2.

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kenyard wrote: »

Question. Why is everyone getting these instead of smart switches?
I know led lights survive ages and all so maybe it is considered permanent almost, but I can't understand why people don't get light switches instead.
It's the route I'm considering going...
Also if you turn this off at the wall it won't turn on with Alexa or at your phone so it makes sense to me to have 1 on/off controller instead of 2.

It depends on the wiring. Any smart switches I've looked at need a neutral, you'll find most installations won't have a neutral, with the live being switched.

Del007

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It depends on the wiring. Any smart switches I've looked at need a neutral, you'll find most installations won't have a neutral, with the live being switched.

I've never seen a neutral at a switch

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Del007 wrote: »

I've never seen a neutral at a switch

As I said, most installations you wouldn't, the neutral goes straight to the light fitting and is looped to other lights in the circuit but in some cases t+e, or other 3 core cable, is used and the neutral would be broken at the switch but put in a connector to carry it on with the switch wire and the earth.

https://m.banggood.com/SONOFF-T2-EUUSUK-AC-100-240V-123-Gang-TX-Series-433Mhz-WIFI-Wall-Switch-RF-Smart-Wall-Touch-Switch-For-Smart-Home-Work-With-Alexa-Google-Home-p-1470884.html?rmmds=search#popupStatedetail

Eire Go Brach

kenyard wrote: »

Question. Why is everyone getting these instead of smart switches?
I know led lights survive ages and all so maybe it is considered permanent almost, but I can't understand why people don't get light switches instead.
It's the route I'm considering going...
Also if you turn this off at the wall it won't turn on with Alexa or at your phone so it makes sense to me to have 1 on/off controller instead of 2.

Yeh I have some. They can be handy and a bit of a novelty. But yeh I get frustrated as other people in the house will turn the switch off.

What switch do you use?

McMurphy

kenyard wrote: »

Question. Why is everyone getting these instead of smart switches?
I know led lights survive ages and all so maybe it is considered permanent almost, but I can't understand why people don't get light switches instead.
It's the route I'm considering going...
Also if you turn this off at the wall it won't turn on with Alexa or at your phone so it makes sense to me to have 1 on/off controller instead of 2.

Most people don't want the hassle of removing old switches, and wiring in New ones themselves, or via a spark I imagine.

Changing a bulb takes seconds.

Ubbquittious

With the amount of LED bulbs ive had fail on me no way would I pay any extra for a 'smart' one

kenyard

Eire Go Brach wrote: »

Yeh I have some. They can be handy and a bit of a novelty. But yeh I get frustrated as other people in the house will turn the switch off.
What switch do you use?

Well I this week ordered 2x tuyas for 15 each to see what I can manage with them. China. eBay. Very little local for decent prices and Amazon had same stuff for a few quid extra. I'm not in a rush on this it's a tester to see.
The switching off of switches was my issue. Nobody else in the family knows how a circuit works so if Its voice activated switched off and the switch doesn't work they'd start trying to change bulbs etc. Need to either remove the switch and use these or just change the switch, so that's my plan first...

Re:other comments about neutral. From my memory of our wiring we have a live and neutral but not an earth to light switches (I don't actually know though). I saw comments about em needing the neutral. I had assumed all ac connections needed live and neutral...? I'll find out in a month when I either end up with something of 0 use or which works. Takes 2 mins to swap out a light switch so I'm not fussed about it.

I definitely came across switches on eBay which also said they didn't need a neutral, but I have some tuya devices already and they are decent build so said I'd try these to see how it goes. They do need a neutral.

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A standard switch doesn't need a neutral, it's a physical connect and disconnect that turns the light on and off, the dolly in the switch. General appliances need a live and neutral to work, like smart switches, the light bulb itself, TV, etc.

kenyard

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A standard switch doesn't need a neutral, it's a physical connect and disconnect that turns the light on and off, the dolly in the switch. General appliances need a live and neutral to work, like smart switches, the light bulb itself, TV, etc.

I get what you are saying. Basically I need the live and neutral to the device to run the wifi constantly as it needs current, but it also needs a separate/additional route with switch to power the light itself.
I don't know how all houses are wired but I had assumed all light switches got a double wire to them and then double wire to the light itself. Switch just completed the circuit.
I'll see soon shur. I honestly don't know.

Im so confused right now about how you would possibly wire a switch without a neutral unless its got a double switch to allow it be turned on.

top is a standard light switch, bottom is the wiring i need. Am i literally not just shoving the two connected white neutrals into the device? it then controls locally and redirects the flow of current to power both wifi + live/light when on?
i guess ill be extra cautious with the phase tester here
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.smartthings.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F04%2Ffbb64c2388684cd2b22de1329785f41f18f5a438.png&f=1&nofb=1

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Zimmerframe

kenyard wrote: »

I get what you are saying. Basically I need the live and neutral to the device to run the wifi constantly as it needs current, but it also needs a separate/additional route with switch to power the light itself.
I don't know how all houses are wired but I had assumed all light switches got a double wire to them and then double wire to the light itself. Switch just completed the circuit.
I'll see soon shur. I honestly don't know.

It's close to zero % chance that any/all of your light switches will have a neutral present, hope you are lucky.

Rock Paper Scissors

Suckit you're gonna have me bankrupt

rom

+1 on needing a neutral. I would replace all my light switches if there was a way to do it without a neutral.

editorsean

McMurphy wrote: »

Most people don't want the hassle of removing old switches, and wiring in New ones themselves, or via a spark I imagine.

Changing a bulb takes seconds.

While not as as neat as replacing the switch, one simple option would be to place a cover over the switch such as this example:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0784XM46X

unklerosco

Easier option is to buy the hue dimmer switch and a cover for it that fits over your light switch.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Philips-929001173761-Wireless-Installation-Free-Exclusive/dp/B0748KLR39/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?keywords=hue+dimmer&qid=1578257758&s=lighting&sr=1-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFJQUo5WVlRSDJMV1QmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA3NjE3NzRBSUxDVVg2WVdUNlkmZW5jcnlwdGVkQWRJZD1BMDYxNDU5OTNWSjJaN1VFT1lBQyZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Philips-Hue-Dimmer-UK-Light-Switch-Converter-Adapter-Cover/192445966940?hash=item2cceac6a5c:g:A5YAAOSw301aWy01

Suckit

The ZigBee GU10 Reflector now also on sale for €10.99 (also from Germany)
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0747X166P/

And from Spain there is a special offer when you buy 2.
The price drops (when you have 2 in basket at checkout) - but shipping brings them up slightly unless you order more.
Philips Hue Smart Button with Wireless Control, Works with Alexa and Google Assistant x 2 = €30.48 + shipping
https://www.amazon.es/Philips-Hue-Interruptor-compatible-Bluetooth/dp/B07SQZYYKL/

Accessories for your smart Philips Hue system: The Smart Button enables you to control the light and convenient dimming, without any installation and is immediately ready for use
The Hue Smart Button can be easily integrated into an existing Hue system and set up individually using the Philips Hue app
Individual placement of the switch in your home: The Hue Smart Button can be attached anywhere with screws or the supplied adhesive tape
Experience stepless dimming and use your smart button not only as a light switch, but also as a removable remote control
Compact, inconspicuous design: The Hue Smart Button convinces with its elegant feel and modern design

And Philips Hue White Ambiance Wireless Dimmer Kit: Smart Bulb LED Kit [E27 Edison Screw] with Bluetooth Includes, Dimmer Switch (Works with Alexa and Google Assistant) x 2 = 45.73 + shipping
https://www.amazon.es/dp/B07SR3DTPR/

Attach the dimmer with screws or the supplied adhesive tape and control your lamps flexibly using the dimmer switch or the Hue Bluetooth app
Choose from a wide range of cool to warm white tones and create your own lighting scenes in the room with convenient dimming
Create your individual light for every occasion: Whether for a dinner party, your daily routines or a relaxed end to the day, with Philips Hue you create the ideal atmosphere
Control your Philips Hue Bluetooth lamps with your voice: works with all Echo and Google Nest devices. (Hue Bridge required for Echo (1st Gen) and Echo Dot (1st Gen))
For the full smart home experience throughout your home: expand your system with the Hue Bridge (sold separately) and discover many other functions

I didn't check, but I guess it might work out a little cheaper to send the lot through PW/PM/AP etc. lower vat + shipping and maybe faster.

wiz569

kenyard wrote: »

top is a standard light switch, bottom is the wiring i need. Am i literally not just shoving the two connected white neutrals into the device? it then controls locally and redirects the flow of current to power both wifi + live/light when on?
i guess ill be extra cautious with the phase tester here
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.smartthings.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F04%2Ffbb64c2388684cd2b22de1329785f41f18f5a438.png&f=1&nofb=1

Top is not how most switches are wired here, they are usually wired the opposite way with the live-neutral-earth going to the ceiling rose and a switch wire running to the switch.

griffdaddy

Any reason people aren't just using the much cheaper IKEA bulbs? I have some in my set up and they work well.

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griffdaddy wrote: »

Any reason people aren't just using the much cheaper IKEA bulbs? I have some in my set up and they work well.

Do they need a hub/gateway? Hue uses Bluetooth now so an echo dot can be used which is handy. A quick look at their websitr and they all seem to be Edison Screw and not Bayonet Cap which means swapping out the lamp holder or getting a converter.

griffdaddy

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Do they need a hub/gateway? Hue uses Bluetooth now so an echo dot can be used which is handy. A quick look at their websitr and they all seem to be Edison Screw and not Bayonet Cap which means swapping out the lamp holder or getting a converter.

They work with the Hue hub and maybe some of the other gateways as well as their own gateway obviously. I think they had bayonet and candle sizes at one stage. They're way, way cheaper for the gu10s anyway