What times in Human history was private murder most prevalent?

Dots1982

So leaving out geopolitical events like world wars, crusades, Rwandan civil War and Stalin and the Gulags when was the most amount of murder happening on the planet?

The Prohibition? Mexico’s or Columbia’s Drug cartel wars?

Cee-Jay-Cee

Tuesday.

Victor

Over the centuries, murder rates are generally considered to be falling. https://ourworldindata.org/homicides

Dots1982

Victor wrote: »

Over the centuries, murder rates are generally considered to be falling. https://ourworldindata.org/homicides

Italians top of the list. Probably still are.

CelticRambler

Dots1982 wrote: »

Italians top of the list. Probably still are.

:rolleyes: Quotes chart that shows that they aren't!

Italian murder rate is one of the lowest in the EU, currently lower even than Ireland's.

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A lot of it would be state-events like the partition of India - saw possibly millions killed. Religious persecution remains a taker of lives in the Indian subcontinent, whether it be clashes of Muslim/Sikh/Hindu, or murder of lower-caste Hindu’s.

Much of the killing was not done by state militaries but by ethnic and religious rivalries in local areas, motivated by sectarianism.

Dots1982

CelticRambler wrote: »

:rolleyes: Quotes chart that shows that they aren't!

Italian murder rate is one of the lowest in the EU, currently lower even than Ireland's.

Well Jesus they were for most of the chart. I can’t tell by the end as all the lines are indistinguishable.

Surprised they are among the lowest in EU. Thought Southern Italy was a murder blackspot.

CelticRambler

Dots1982 wrote: »

Well Jesus they were for most of the chart. I can’t tell by the end as all the lines are indistinguishable.

It was your comment "probably still are" that made my eyes roll when it's there in green-and-white that they're not even top of that weirdly limited list.

I suspect they're the only countries where anyone kept accurate records going back more than a couple of hundred years.

In any case, Europe being a civilised continent, murder rates are relatively insignificant so a chart giving five examples from the same safe zone is pretty useless. If you're looking for hot-spots, try Louisiana.

Not quite sure what the point of the question is, though ... other than a useful way to pass a wet weekend!

Day Lewin

I've heard that the Middle Ages in London were particularly dangerous.

No cops, no street lighting, and everyone carried a dagger. It was seriously risky to go out alone after dark, anyone could take a fancy to your purse or an item you were wearing. Quick pounce and stab, heave body into the Thames, and it's all over.

Modern life is very cosy by comparison.

Capt'n Midnight

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mikemac2

Day Lewin wrote: »

I've heard that the Middle Ages in London were particularly dangerous.

No cops, no street lighting, and everyone carried a dagger. It was seriously risky to go out alone after dark, anyone could take a fancy to your purse or an item you were wearing. Quick pounce and stab, heave body into the Thames, and it's all over.

Modern life is very cosy by comparison.

Some London houses on fancy streets have a candle extinguisher outside. Still there to see today. Just an upside down cone really

The gentlemen of the day returning home from their boozing and whoring would hire a street urchin with a lamp to lead them home. It was necessary as a well dressed gent were a prime robbery target so they needed the light for some safety. The young lad could extinguish his flame when the job was complete

Arghus

A private murder, a murder for money..

Ubbquittious

Is there anything they're not privatising now?

whisky_galore

As opposed to what, public murder?

Muahahaha

CelticRambler wrote: »

:rolleyes: Quotes chart that shows that they aren't!

Italian murder rate is one of the lowest in the EU, currently lower even than Ireland's.

Surprises me that Italys murder rate is lower than Irelands. I wonder is it a sign of a mature Mafia where they have stoked such fear into the locals that no one dares challenge them any longer and thus the murder rate has gone down. Ive read before that they control 15% of all Italian GDP so its not like they've gone away. Probably more so the case that they are just so ingrained into Italian society these days that they are accepted as a part of life that cant be extinguished.