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Volvo V60 diesel PHEV
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Kevin Irving wrote: »If the Diesel engine starts at all during your regular commute. The majority of diesel issues don't occur because of 5 minute bursts around town - there just isn't the sum total of mileage bing accrued to cause a problem between the inevitable long run where a regen will occur. With a PHEV, the engine is off almost all the time around town traffic.
It's the 20-30 minute daily commute on quicker roads, that seems like a short commute, but is actually quite high mileage per week, that really cause DPF issues - because it's high mileage @ low temperature.
I agree. Its down to how the car is driven and most people have no clue about what you have just described so its hard for them to make the right decision on whether a car like this suits them or not.Kevin Irving wrote: »PHEV petrols are like any normal petrol, nothing particularly special.
Hybrid petrols tend to use Atkinson cycle engines for efficiency and are tuned as such to run at their most efficient RPM when twinned with a motor. They are not at all like normal petrols.Kevin Irving wrote: »The CVT (if used) is then set to aim for the most efficient RPM - not great to drive either, and I don't think any better in terms of fuel in the real world. http://www.fuelly.com/car/lexus/is300h
I think you should drive one, or something similar..
I have!
I gave my real world consumption figures above.Kevin Irving wrote: »44mpg is not great, but not the worst either, and doesn't factor in that some people can drive on electric most of the time.
It was their average. They got 60mpg on some runs but 44 was their average. With PHEV's the mpg is a difficult one to measure as its entirely dependent on your driving pattern.Kevin Irving wrote: »BEV's, PHEV's, and in particular this one suit a small section of the population currently. If it does indeed suit, and you're prepared to live with some downsides, you have the opportunity right now to save 3k vs similar models.
Dont get me wrong, I'm all in with BEV/PHEV. I regularly argue for PHEV on the forum (usually Im a lonely voice doing it!) but I just dont think diesel suits PHEV unless you have really really specific requirements.
A petrol PHEV, which will still return stellar mpg figures if you have a commute within its EV range, is a better choice imo. Each to their own.
@Soarer, one question I think you should ask your new found friend is, does the engine have to run to heat the cabin and does it have cabin pre-heating.
For the Niro PHEV it has to run the engine to heat the cabin so eventhough you might be only doing a 5km run to the school/shop the engine would run to try to give you heat. And it had no cabin pre-heating. Both of those were design misses imo.
The point being, you might think you would not burn any diesel Mon-Fri on your short work commute but maybe you actually will if the engine has to be used to heat the car. Ask anyway, just to be sure.0 -
The IS300h is old tech at this stage. It made more sense in terms of efficiency in somewhere like the US market where the typical engine for a car like that would be a 3-litre petrol V6. Not a good example really (note also that site shows US gallons by default). I much prefer a petrol hybrid with CVT to a manual diesel with stupidly narrow power band, turbo lag, clatter (sure modern diesels are quieter but still so much worse than a petrol), etc.Kevin Irving wrote: »PHEV petrols are like any normal petrol, nothing particularly special. The CVT (if used) is then set to aim for the most efficient RPM - not great to drive either, and I don't think any better in terms of fuel in the real world. http://www.fuelly.com/car/lexus/is300h
It's a cost vs. efficiency thing really. The current Prius Plug-in has an efficient electric heat pump (not sure if pre-heating available on Irish models) but costs €37k. Running the engine is still maybe arguably more efficient than using resistive heating.For the Niro PHEV it has to run the engine to heat the cabin so eventhough you might be only doing a 5km run to the school/shop the engine would run to try to give you heat. And it had no cabin pre-heating. Both of those were design misses imo.
And another minus for diesel PHEVs if they don't have some electric heating: Diesel engines take a lot longer to warm up than petrol, and petrol hybrids are already using active grille shutters (manual in my case ), exhaust heat recovery, etc. to assist. 0 -
Agreed, but to be fair the government effectively forced diesels on most of the population who in reality would have been better driving petrols.I agree. Its down to how the car is driven and most people have no clue about what you have just described so its hard for them to make the right decision on whether a car like this suits them or not.
Yesterday's scapegoat was CO2, today is NOx, and in 5-10 years time when tax revenues fall, it will be the mining of lithium or manufacture of carbon nanotubes.Hybrid petrols tend to use Atkinson cycle engines for efficiency and are tuned as such to run at their most efficient RPM when twinned with a motor. They are not at all like normal petrols.
In practice that's achieved by valve timing rather than an overly complex crankshaft. Some Lexus engines allow on-the-fly shift between Otto and Atkinson, it's not a fundamentally different engine as such.I have!
I gave my real world consumption figures above.
I meant the diesel lag. I can't see it being as smooth as a 330e, but in my experience it shouldn't be too bad for a diesel either.It was their average. They got 60mpg on some runs but 44 was their average. With PHEV's the mpg is a difficult one to measure as its entirely dependent on your driving pattern.
Totally, I think I'd benefit from it a lot, others may not of course. There's a price to pay for nearly double the power of the Niro PHEV.Dont get me wrong, I'm all in with BEV/PHEV. I regularly argue for PHEV on the forum (usually Im a lonely voice doing it!) but I just dont think diesel suits PHEV unless you have really really specific requirements.
A petrol PHEV, which will still return stellar mpg figures if you have a commute within its EV range, is a better choice imo. Each to their own.
Where I work at least, short commute around town and home to all parts of the country on the weekend is a very common occurrence, a Diesel PHEV isn't the worst option for this.
My preference would be petrol too all else being equal, but our tax regime has meant that the potential market for this car is wider than would otherwise be the case, it's a very good saving monetarily over (arguably better) rivals.0 -
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@Soarer, one question I think you should ask your new found friend is, does the engine have to run to heat the cabin and does it have cabin pre-heating.
For the Niro PHEV it has to run the engine to heat the cabin so eventhough you might be only doing a 5km run to the school/shop the engine would run to try to give you heat. And it had no cabin pre-heating. Both of those were design misses imo.
The point being, you might think you would not burn any diesel Mon-Fri on your short work commute but maybe you actually will if the engine has to be used to heat the car. Ask anyway, just to be sure.
Just to answer this.
She has a small seperate, diesel powered heater that can be used to heat the cabin even when in Pure mode. Obviously uses a bit of diesel, but nothing compared to having the engine fire up.
She also has cabin preheating, but it has to be set every day in the car. Unless it can be done from the on-call app. Need to get that activated.
Have has a couple of little issues with her.
All doors have keyless lock/unlock. The two passenger side doors don't work at all. Driver's door always opens, but intermittently won't lock. Driver's side passenger always works. Never checked them when I collected the car!
They'll all be swapped out under warranty. Fob works regardless, so not a big hardship.
Bigger issue is a "hybrid system malfunction" error that pops up intermittently.
A quick bit of Googling points to a problem with the a/c compressor and/or the ISG (Integrated Starter/Generator) module. These seem to be common enough problems on the early models. Thinking back, the error(s) popped up when the a/c was turned on. Another warranty job, which is lucky as people in the UK have been quoted £2k for the a/c fix! :eek:
Two weeks in, and still loving the car.
The last week or so is when I've finally settled into a bit of a routine.
Topped up coming back from the UK, just to register the odometer with Fuelly.
When I filled up again last week, Fuelly tells me I averaged 54.5mpg. Not bad. That mpg included the spin from Rosslare to Cork, and a 200km drive for work.
Since that fill up, I had to do a 100km trip for work, but most days I'm pottering around charging at home and at work (with the odd blast of Power for sanity reasons!).
The onboard consumption is sitting at 21.7km/l, which in old money is 61.5mpg. Again not bad, and that should rise further the more I plug her in.
So happy out, and would heartily recommend one if it suited your daily routine. Would definitely advise to buy from a dealer with a warranty though!
But they're relatively cheap to buy in the UK, €490 VRT for the D6 SE Lux, €180 NOx tax, and €170 per year road tax.
Shur where would you be going?!?0 -
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