Why are Irish People so uncomfortable with Group Scenario Critical Feedback?

Biodegradable

I remember once during a tutorial class we were split up into groups of 8 and made give a short piece of dialogue on the progression of our projects. One of the rules was, that the person who just spoke about their project, couldn't talk when someone was making a recommendation. This didn't work!

A few of the foreign students seemed puzzled by this. The lecturer explained in a very clear way, the benefits of being able to give feedback and how you're actually helping the person, but people still weren't comfortable giving it. It seemed all anyone had to say for feedback was "good job". People think that they're being nice by not giving honest feedback that might hurt someone's feelings, but I think it's actually quite selfish and even immature.

What's particularly annoying is when you make an effort to give feedback yourself and only later do you realise that this is thrown back in your face when the others couldn't be bothered making the effort.

brendanwalsh

Strange thread and place to post it.

Merry Xmas all the same

FFVII

360 degree feedback...some consultant paid mega bucks to come up with another bull**** term.

EmmetSpiceland

“Constructive” criticism should always be welcomed and good ideas taken on board. Anyone who can’t handle either is a moron.

There’s too many people out there with the mindset that it is somehow better to do something wrong your own way than right someone else’s.

Never underestimate the sheer volume of “stupidity” that permeates our world.

BDI

We have a fragile ego. I tried to start a band years ago but as soon as I disliked or changed anything the potential band mates did they would pick up their instrument and cut all contact.

I think it’s more so that way for people who are at the beginning of learning something, a plumber that’s been around 20 years might enjoy some feedback that could help him improve.

Sometimes it feels like people are just giving you feedback for their ego rather than your advancement.

Maybe they should give children less medals at sports days and more beatings, who knows.

Biodegradable

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Strange thread and place to post it.

Thanks for noticing.

All the same, better stick to the sort of threads that you expect then:

"What did you get for Christmas?"
"What are you watching currently?"
"How many Friends do you have on Facebook?"
"Do you Believe in God?"
"Your Favourite Xmas Song?"

Biodegradable

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

“Constructive” criticism should always be welcomed and good ideas taken on board. Anyone who can’t handle either is a moron.

The issue isn't whether people can take the feedback or not, and more so that people are uncomfortable giving it.

Dravokivich

Huh? I've generally understood when someone approached me with an idea, they wanted me to not just take'em straight and leave'em to it. They'd want to see if I thought of the same issues they considered or if there was something they might have missed.

Omackeral

Once people don't say "I used to hate that but did a complete 360 and now I love it" when in fact they mean 180. Those people don't deserve to live.

Captain Havoc

360 feedback is a new one on me. Constructive criticism, honest appraisal are terms I'd be more used to. Here's my 360 degree feedback, we already have synonyms for 360 degree feedback in the English language, why are you inventing a new one that isn't as immediately comprehensible?

EmmetSpiceland

Biodegradable wrote: »

The issue isn't whether people can take the feedback or not, and more so that people are uncomfortable giving it.

Well, those are the ones who will do great in the “basic” admin roles. Who knows, they might even make it onto the lower rungs of the management ladder.

Anyone who can’t separate the personal from the professional shouldn’t be in any position of “power” in the workplace.

Captain Havoc

Omackeral wrote: »

Once people don't say "I used to hate that but did a complete 360 and now I love it" when in fact they mean 180. Those people don't deserve to live.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiCF1QdyxhM

Biodegradable

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Anyone who can’t separate the personal from the professional shouldn’t be in any position of “power” in the workplace.

Well this was college (MSc level).

boring accountant

I have the same problem in work. Very little in the way of constructive feedback. So much so that I’ve had to pointedly say to people with 20 years of experience that they can be blunt with me and I won’t be offended. Still many of them tip toe. There’s a culture of go along to get along.

do you spin in circles while giving the feedback

Biodegradable

bluewolf wrote: »

do you spin in circles while giving the feedback

act your age

Ficheall

Feedback: Crap thread.

EmmetSpiceland

Biodegradable wrote: »

Well this was college (MSc level).

And where will they go after college?

Biodegradable

Ficheall wrote: »

Feedback: Crap thread.

Feedback would involve an explanation, and an example of a good thread!

Necro

EmmetSpiceland wrote:

And where will they go after college?

The circus presumably :P

Biodegradable

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

And where will they go after college?

Okay, I get that it's a rhetorical question, but are you implying that they won't go anywhere? Plenty of people who are uncomfortable in these sorts of situations go on to get good jobs, just as plenty of people who are uncomfortable with public speaking.

Biodegradable

Biodegradable wrote: »

Okay, I get that it's a rhetorical question, but are you implying that they won't go anywhere?

he was talking about the workplace
you said this isn't the workplace
he said where will they go after college - the workplace

Kat1170

Biodegradable wrote:

All the same, better stick to the sort of threads that you expect then:

Biodegradable wrote:

"What did you get for Christmas?" "What are you watching currently?" "How many Friends do you have on Facebook?" "Do you Believe in God?" "Your Favourite Xmas Song?"

You can stick "I'll knock the Irish because foreign people are much better at "*fill in blank*" to that list of threads that pop up here ad nauseam.

Muppet Man

Thankfully, I work with groups of people that endorse radical candour. I think it helps that many of the people in these groups are European.

The podcasts on this site are excellent and explore the ideas of radical candour (candor). Well worth listening to.... it’s a terrific open approach to feedback. But everyone has to be onboard.

https://www.radicalcandor.com/candor-podcast/

Muppet man

Omackeral

Chickatees

Earthhorse

Captain Havoc wrote: »

360 feedback is a new one on me. Constructive criticism, honest appraisal are terms I'd be more used to. Here's my 360 degree feedback, we already have synonyms for 360 degree feedback in the English language, why are you inventing a new one that isn't as immediately comprehensible?

The phrase has been around for a long time. It refers to feedback sought not just from teammates but from managers, customers, co workers in other departments etc. so you get a 360 degree view of someone's performance.

andekwarhola

We have it in my workplace. It's simply a review of your performance by somebody you work with, that's not your manager. Like colleagues with whom you have worked on projects or teams etc.

Simple enough concept to grasp without having a coronary about the terminology, if you're an adult.

MrMusician18

Biodegradable wrote: »

Thanks for noticing.

All the same, better stick to the sort of threads that you expect then:

"What did you get for Christmas?"
"What are you watching currently?"
"How many Friends do you have on Facebook?"
"Do you Believe in God?"
"Your Favourite Xmas Song?"

Irony alert, you didn't really like the feedback you got about the thread you started, did you?