Leaf 40 and Ioniq 28

from_atozinc

Hi

In regard to which car has the best range between these:

1. Nissan Leaf 40 kw
2. Hyundai Ioniq 28 Kw

On paper it looks like a no brainier, the Leaf has an extra 12 kw of power so should have way better range.


Or am I missing something.

Mickeroo

Leaf can have more range depending on the type of driving but there's very little between them and in some scenarios the Ioniq has better range (cruising at 120km/h on the motorway for example).

The Ioniq is just a lot more efficient and aerodynamic.

Soarer

Over/Under set at 14 pages.

from_atozinc

Mickeroo wrote: »

Leaf can have more range depending on the type of driving but there's very little between them and in some scenarios the Ioniq has better range (cruising at 120km/h on the motorway for example).

The Ioniq is just a lot more efficient and aerodynamic.

Oh ok. So not as straight forward as 40 kw V 28 kw. Right.

Which one is generally more expensive?

AhHaor

Things get very muddy when you insert scenarios. Which is quicker at covering 500km time wise. Ioniq will due to better charging speeds and no rapidgate and ionity charging

Marlow

You can never go by kW. There are other factors.

- weight
- how aerodynamic they are
- battery efficiency
- engine efficiency
- how much power they manage to regenerate
- etc.

/M

unkel

from_atozinc wrote: »

Hi

In regard to which car has the best range between these:

1. Nissan Leaf 40 kw
2. Hyundai Ioniq 28 Kw

On paper it looks like a no brainier, the Leaf has an extra 12 kw of power so should have way better range.


Or am I missing something.

In practice, the Leaf 40kWh will have slightly better range if you drive in town and on lowish speed regional and national roads. At 120km/h on motorways the Ioniq 28kWh has slightly better range

That's on one charge. If you do a trip where you need to re-charge, Ioniq will be much faster doing the trip

Also Leaf can only charge on CHAdeMO, the obsolete Japanese charging standard, where Ioniq uses CCS, which is the standard that all EVs for sale in Ireland use (except the Leaf). Commercial charging stations like Ionity with multiple charging bays, don't have any CHAdeMO chargers and never will.

liamog

One other point that is often missed.

The Leaf 40, has a 40kWh battery with 36kWh usable.
The Ioniq 28, has a 31kWh battery with 28kWh usable.

Most manufacturers have now switched to selling according to the usable battery.

BMW are even weirder and sell them according to the Ah battery, you need to know the battery voltage to figure out its total and usable capacity.

from_atozinc

liamog wrote: »

One other point that is often missed.

The Leaf 40, has a 40kWh battery with 36kWh usable.
The Ioniq 28, has a 31kWh battery with 28kWh usable.

Most manufacturers have now switched to selling according to the usable battery.

BMW are even weirder and sell them according to the Ah battery, you need to know the battery voltage to figure out its total and usable capacity.

Still though, on paper Leaf looks better

Black_Knight

from_atozinc wrote: »

Still though, on paper Leaf looks better

I guess. Though it sounds like with mixed driving they'd have similar range, yet the leaf uses 8kWh more to get there (based on usable battery). Electricity is cheap (only like 50 extra per year if night charging and doing around 12k km), but on public chargers is around €2.50 extra for the 8kWh + 12 minutes extra of DC charging time.

unkel

from_atozinc wrote: »

Still though, on paper Leaf looks better

I suggest you take both cars for a 24h test drive. Drive the longest trips you would do and see how they compare range-wise and with fast re-charging

See which you like better and which suits better

And keep us updated!

from_atozinc

Thanks for all the replies. To someone older like my aunt who is thinking of buying one.......she won’t honestly have a clue about aerodynamics, weight, efficiency, useable battery etc etc.

What she will get her head around is the 28 V 40 kWh. When you do a quick high level comparison, the leaf just looks better to the normal joe soap buyer. But at least I know a bit more now to educate her.

inisviews

Have a leaf 40 after upgrading from a leaf 24. Will easily do 220km now on national roads compared to the 100km on the Leaf 24.

Family member has an Ioniq and he normally gets around the 190-200km.

unkel

At LeafSpeed, the Leaf will go a bit further. At motorway speeds, the Ioniq will go a bit further. By the sound of it, your older aunt will be happy to drive no faster than LeafSpeed :pac:

from_atozinc

unkel wrote: »

At LeafSpeed, the Leaf will go a bit further. At motorway speeds, the Ioniq will go a bit further. By the sound of it, your older aunt will be happy to drive no faster than LeafSpeed :pac:

What’s LeafSpeed?

from_atozinc

inisviews wrote: »

Have a leaf 40 after upgrading from a leaf 24. Will easily do 220km now on national roads compared to the 100km on the Leaf 24.

Family member has an Ioniq and he normally gets around the 190-200km.

By national roads do you mean travelling at 100 km per hour?

unkel

from_atozinc wrote: »

What’s LeafSpeed?

88km/h

It's a bit of an in-joke in the EV world. For sure not all Leaf drivers are slow, but a lot of Leafs on the motorway are driven at very low speeds (slower than trucks) to extend the range (high speed is bad for range for all EVs and particularly bad for EVs with poor aerodynamics, like the Leaf). I'm sure you've passed some Leafs on motorways over the years?

Marlow

unkel wrote: »

88km/h

As long as the Leaf does not make it to 88mph and thinks it is a DeLorean, we will be alright.

/M

colm_mcm

unkel wrote: »

88km/h

It's a bit of an in-joke in the EV world. For sure not all Leaf drivers are slow, but a lot of Leafs on the motorway are driven at very low speeds (slower than trucks) to extend the range (high speed is bad for range for all EVs and particularly bad for EVs with poor aerodynamics, like the Leaf). I'm sure you've passed some Leafs on motorways over the years?

I don’t think I’ve ever been overtaken by one.
I thought the reason the Leaf looks so bad was to help aerodynamics.

unkel

colm_mcm wrote: »

I thought the reason the Leaf looks so bad was to help aerodynamics.

No, its aerodynamics are not great. Incidentally Tesla knew from very early on that EVs lose a lot of range when speeds increase. Unless you make them very aerodynamic. Even back in 2012, the Tesla Model S had a Cd of just 0.24, which is excellent

The cars in this thread, 2016 Ioniq and new Model 2018 Leaf have a Cd of 0.24 and 0.28 respectively. The newer model Leaf is no better than the older model.

colm_mcm

Surprisingly, the new A Class saloon has a drag coefficient of .22, and looks quite well.
Conversely, the Prius isn’t that aerodynamic - despite looking like it had a stroke.

from_atozinc

colm_mcm wrote: »

I don’t think I’ve ever been overtaken by one.
I thought the reason the Leaf looks so bad was to help aerodynamics.

Same here. Yeah. Thought the weird headlights and the kinda strange looks of the car were all to make the aerodynamics really good, but obviously didn’t do that great of a job.

The headlights were designed to direct the airstream past the wing mirrors. On the 2018 version the bonnet is shaped to do the same. Both models are very quiet on the run as a result regarding the wind noise.